DragonBall Z Abridged

[BlazingBarrrager]

#17 is the one and only...

[spoiler]Broly[/spoiler]

Oh wow, Kaiser didn't hold back. Lol?

I guess neither Lani nor Taka were around to hold him back. Imagine if they weren't there when they did the Shadow Dragons.

...why do I have a feeling Bebi is going to get similar treatment? XD

[TekTheNinja]

Broly's above Cooler? What the fuck, guys?

[FoolsGil]

Broly's above Cooler? What the fuck, guys?

"His Power is Maximum" is a meme. Cooler has nothing to match that, of course Broly's above him.

[KaiserNeko]

Broly's above Cooler? What the fuck, guys?

Cooler is a less interesting version of his brother and hasn't had half the impact on the franchise Broly has had.

[TekTheNinja]

Broly's above Cooler? What the fuck, guys?

Cooler is a less interesting version of his brother and hasn't had half the impact on the franchise Broly has had.

But I mean Broly's a shit character, and you guys agree with that statement, so why even have him on a best villains list at all? I mean why's impact even matter? Just because something's had an impact doesn't mean it's good. Hell, Wheelo was a FAR better villain and he's lower on the list. Are you basing this whole thing on "impact"? If so, that's a pretty dumb way to make a list to be honest. It really should be actually about the BEST villains.

[FoolsGil]

Broly's above Cooler? What the fuck, guys?

Cooler is a less interesting version of his brother and hasn't had half the impact on the franchise Broly has had.

But I mean Broly's a shit character, and you guys agree with that statement, so why even have him on a best villains list at all? I mean why's impact even matter? Just because something's had an impact doesn't mean it's good. Hell, Wheelo was a FAR better villain and he's lower on the list. Are you basing this whole thing on "impact"? If so, that's a pretty dumb way to make a list to be honest. It really should be actually about the BEST villains.

You know, you can always do your own DBCember, with your own opinions and reasons behind it.

[TekTheNinja]

Cooler is a less interesting version of his brother and hasn't had half the impact on the franchise Broly has had.

But I mean Broly's a shit character, and you guys agree with that statement, so why even have him on a best villains list at all? I mean why's impact even matter? Just because something's had an impact doesn't mean it's good. Hell, Wheelo was a FAR better villain and he's lower on the list. Are you basing this whole thing on "impact"? If so, that's a pretty dumb way to make a list to be honest. It really should be actually about the BEST villains.

You know, you can always do your own DBCember, with your own opinions and reasons behind it.

Except that's my very complaint. This hardly seems to be based off of their opinions at all. It seems based on what "impact" they think the characters had on the series and fanbase, which isn't nearly as interesting of actually seeing them just rank who they narrowed to be their personal favorite villains.

I found the movies and OVAs list very interesting because of it's basis on personal opinion rather than being like, "Well what does the fanbase think?" That's boring.

[Boo Machine]

But I mean Broly's a shit character, and you guys agree with that statement, so why even have him on a best villains list at all? I mean why's impact even matter? Just because something's had an impact doesn't mean it's good. Hell, Wheelo was a FAR better villain and he's lower on the list. Are you basing this whole thing on "impact"? If so, that's a pretty dumb way to make a list to be honest. It really should be actually about the BEST villains.

To be fair the list is called "Top 25 Villains" not "Top 25 Best Villains" "Our top 25 favorite villains" .

There could be a few more factors to consider aside from just how good the villain is written or how they feel about them.

I don't think the list is based entirely on impact but impact matters. They might not want to do a list based on only their opinion and want to consider how it affects the series and it's fans as a whole. Which is far more interesting than just "I like this character therefore he is number 1". I'm sure the list would be different otherwise.

Also it's not a huge deal. It's a list made for fun. They're not telling us who to like or that this is the end all be all list of da best.

[TekTheNinja]

But I mean Broly's a shit character, and you guys agree with that statement, so why even have him on a best villains list at all? I mean why's impact even matter? Just because something's had an impact doesn't mean it's good. Hell, Wheelo was a FAR better villain and he's lower on the list. Are you basing this whole thing on "impact"? If so, that's a pretty dumb way to make a list to be honest. It really should be actually about the BEST villains.

To be fair the list is called "Top 25 Villains" not "Top 25 Best Villains" "Our top 25 favorite villains" .

There could be a few more factors to consider aside from just how good the villain is written or how they feel about them.

I don't think the list is based entirely on impact but impact matters. They might not want to do a list based on only their opinion and want to consider how it affects the series and it's fans as a whole. Which is far more interesting than just "I like this character therefore he is number 1". I'm sure the list would be different otherwise.

Also it's not a huge deal. It's a list made for fun. They're not telling us who to like or that this is the end all be all list of da best.

All I'm saying is this makes this list FAR less interesting to watch than their last two lists since it makes this one predictable and based more around "impact" than who's actually a superior villain. I'd much rather be seeing TFS's actual favorite villains than seeing who they think is most impactful and popular or whatever. Seeing their opinions is what made the last two list fun in my opinion and it makes this one pale in comparison, seeing as villains they like can be bottom of the list while villains they don't care for as much can be towards the top. I just don't think this is a good format. Sue me.

[jcogginsa]

Broly's above Cooler? What the fuck, guys?

Cooler is a less interesting version of his brother and hasn't had half the impact on the franchise Broly has had.

But I mean Broly's a shit character, and you guys agree with that statement, so why even have him on a best villains list at all? I mean why's impact even matter? Just because something's had an impact doesn't mean it's good. Hell, Wheelo was a FAR better villain and he's lower on the list. Are you basing this whole thing on "impact"? If so, that's a pretty dumb way to make a list to be honest. It really should be actually about the BEST villains.

You know, it might help if you PAID ATTENTION to the first video. You know, where they laid out the criteria they use?

Since you obviously didn't, let me remind you.

The four Criteria they listed straight out in the first video are

- Concept and Motivation
- Impact on the Universe
- Overall Execution
- Lasting Appeal

Based on their video, Broly got as high as he did due to the last factor. Broly has a huge fanbase. Huge enough to get him a spot despite the cast's distaste for him

[Boo Machine]

But I mean Broly's a shit character, and you guys agree with that statement, so why even have him on a best villains list at all? I mean why's impact even matter? Just because something's had an impact doesn't mean it's good. Hell, Wheelo was a FAR better villain and he's lower on the list. Are you basing this whole thing on "impact"? If so, that's a pretty dumb way to make a list to be honest. It really should be actually about the BEST villains.

To be fair the list is called "Top 25 Villains" not "Top 25 Best Villains" "Our top 25 favorite villains" .

There could be a few more factors to consider aside from just how good the villain is written or how they feel about them.

I don't think the list is based entirely on impact but impact matters. They might not want to do a list based on only their opinion and want to consider how it affects the series and it's fans as a whole. Which is far more interesting than just "I like this character therefore he is number 1". I'm sure the list would be different otherwise.

Also it's not a huge deal. It's a list made for fun. They're not telling us who to like or that this is the end all be all list of da best.

All I'm saying is this makes this list FAR less interesting to watch than their last two lists since it makes this one predictable and based more around "impact" than who's actually a superior villain. I'd much rather be seeing TFS's actual favorite villains than seeing who they think is most impactful and popular or whatever. Seeing their opinions is what made the last two list fun in my opinion and it makes this one pale in comparison, seeing as villains they like can be bottom of the list while villains they don't care for as much can be towards the top. I just don't think this is a good format. Sue me.

Will I'm sure their preferences still play a part. There really isn't anyway they couldn't. Just like how Impact also had a factor is their previous list.

The Number 1 on their last list was part impact on the franchise and part what they liked about it.

[TekTheNinja]

Cooler is a less interesting version of his brother and hasn't had half the impact on the franchise Broly has had.

But I mean Broly's a shit character, and you guys agree with that statement, so why even have him on a best villains list at all? I mean why's impact even matter? Just because something's had an impact doesn't mean it's good. Hell, Wheelo was a FAR better villain and he's lower on the list. Are you basing this whole thing on "impact"? If so, that's a pretty dumb way to make a list to be honest. It really should be actually about the BEST villains.

You know, it might help if you PAID ATTENTION to the first video. You know, where they laid out the criteria they use?

Since you obviously didn't, let me remind you.

The four Criteria they listed straight out in the first video are

- Concept and Motivation
- Impact on the Universe
- Overall Execution
- Lasting Appeal

Based on their video, Broly got as high as he did due to the last factor. Broly has a huge fanbase. Huge enough to get him a spot despite the cast's distaste for him

And AS I SAID, I don't like that. I find it boring, and would prefer a list based purely on their opinions. Is that such a hard concept to grasp?

[jcogginsa]

But I mean Broly's a shit character, and you guys agree with that statement, so why even have him on a best villains list at all? I mean why's impact even matter? Just because something's had an impact doesn't mean it's good. Hell, Wheelo was a FAR better villain and he's lower on the list. Are you basing this whole thing on "impact"? If so, that's a pretty dumb way to make a list to be honest. It really should be actually about the BEST villains.

You know, it might help if you PAID ATTENTION to the first video. You know, where they laid out the criteria they use?

Since you obviously didn't, let me remind you.

The four Criteria they listed straight out in the first video are

- Concept and Motivation
- Impact on the Universe
- Overall Execution
- Lasting Appeal

Based on their video, Broly got as high as he did due to the last factor. Broly has a huge fanbase. Huge enough to get him a spot despite the cast's distaste for him

And AS I SAID, I don't like that. I find it boring, and would prefer a list based purely on their opinions. Is that such a hard concept to grasp?

So fucking what? Even if they did base it on their opinions, they would still need to use criteria in order to sort them into a proper order

[TekTheNinja]

You know, it might help if you PAID ATTENTION to the first video. You know, where they laid out the criteria they use?

Since you obviously didn't, let me remind you.

The four Criteria they listed straight out in the first video are

- Concept and Motivation
- Impact on the Universe
- Overall Execution
- Lasting Appeal

Based on their video, Broly got as high as he did due to the last factor. Broly has a huge fanbase. Huge enough to get him a spot despite the cast's distaste for him

And AS I SAID, I don't like that. I find it boring, and would prefer a list based purely on their opinions. Is that such a hard concept to grasp?

So fucking what? Even if they did base it on their opinions, they would still need to use criteria in order to sort them into a proper order

Yes they would. The simple criteria of who they like best, which I personally would have found much more enjoyable to hear about. Your point?

[KaiserNeko]

So fucking what? Even if they did base it on their opinions, they would still need to use criteria in order to sort them into a proper order

This, right here.

We're giving you our honest opinions of these characters and placing them on the list in a manner that we think is appropriate for each one. Our criteria is based on our own personal views, no matter what, but there's always going to be factors that help us decide whether or not a villain worked *in retrospect*, and part of that comes down how effectively they effected the community.

Yes they would. The simple criteria of who they like best, which I personally would have found much more enjoyable to hear about. Your point?

This isn't about who our favorite is. It's who we think the best villains are in the franchise, based on the criteria we set. If you don't like it, that's fine, but you've been rather overemotional about it if you ask me personally.

[jcogginsa]

And AS I SAID, I don't like that. I find it boring, and would prefer a list based purely on their opinions. Is that such a hard concept to grasp?

So fucking what? Even if they did base it on their opinions, they would still need to use criteria in order to sort them into a proper order

Yes they would. The simple criteria of who they like best, which I personally would have found much more enjoyable to hear about. Your point?

They would have to use criteria to know which ones they liked better. No one has a ready made list of favorites, already in order. They know which ones they like, that's it. Furthermore, there are three of them, and they don't have a uniform opinion

Finally, if it was based only on opinion, then all of the episodes would be ten seconds long because they'd have nothing to talk about besides saying "I like this character"

[TekTheNinja]

So fucking what? Even if they did base it on their opinions, they would still need to use criteria in order to sort them into a proper order

This, right here.

We're giving you our honest opinions of these characters and placing them on the list in a manner that we think is appropriate for each one. Our criteria is based on our own personal views, no matter what, but there's always going to be factors that help us decide whether or not a villain worked *in retrospect*, and part of that comes down how effectively they effected the community.

Ok, so mild confusion with this. So you're saying it's PARTIALLY based off of your opinions? With a character you all despise such as Broly making it decently high on the list, it feels like your own opinions don't impact the list much at all, so I don't really get what you're quite getting at?

They would have to use criteria to know which ones they liked better. No one has a ready made list of favorites, already in order. They know which ones they like, that's it. Furthermore, there are three of them, and they don't have a uniform opinion

Of course they don't have a uniform opinion. That's why group lists are always a give and take. People who make things like these always have to find some order everyone can somewhat agree on, and that works just fine.

Finally, if it was based only on opinion, then all of the episodes would be ten seconds long because they'd have nothing to talk about besides saying "I like this character"

That's just ridiculous. Explaining the things that make a character one of your favorites are FAR more complicated than just, "I like this character". Nobody likes a character for no reason.

[jcogginsa]

So fucking what? Even if they did base it on their opinions, they would still need to use criteria in order to sort them into a proper order

This, right here.

We're giving you our honest opinions of these characters and placing them on the list in a manner that we think is appropriate for each one. Our criteria is based on our own personal views, no matter what, but there's always going to be factors that help us decide whether or not a villain worked *in retrospect*, and part of that comes down how effectively they effected the community.

Ok, so mild confusion with this. So you're saying it's PARTIALLY based off of your opinions? With a character you all despise such as Broly making it decently high on the list, it feels like your own opinions don't impact the list much at all, so I don't really get what you're quite getting at?

They would have to use criteria to know which ones they liked better. No one has a ready made list of favorites, already in order. They know which ones they like, that's it. Furthermore, there are three of them, and they don't have a uniform opinion

Of course they don't have a uniform opinion. That's why group lists are always a give and take. People who make things like these always have to find some order everyone can somewhat agree on, and that works just fine.

Finally, if it was based only on opinion, then all of the episodes would be ten seconds long because they'd have nothing to talk about besides saying "I like this character"

That's just ridiculous. Explaining the things that make a character one of your favorites are FAR more complicated than just, "I like this character". Nobody likes a character for no reason.

If you don't have any criteria, then
A) You have nothing to talk about, because without criteria, none of the characters are distinct from each other.
B) You have no way to determine who goes where on the list, especially when it's made by three different people

[TekTheNinja]

This isn't about who our favorite is. It's who we think the best villains are in the franchise, based on the criteria we set. If you don't like it, that's fine, but you've been rather overemotional about it if you ask me personally.

Excuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuse me? Overemotional how? I've simply explained my personal criticisms with why I think this list isn't what it could have been. All I'm saying is that it's by far my least favorite of your DBcember lists so far because I simply don't like the format. I'm not sure why everyone's taking my little complaint as if it's some kind of personal attack.

If you don't have any criteria, then
A) You have nothing to talk about, because without criteria, none of the characters are distinct from each other.
B) You have no way to determine who goes where on the list, especially when it's made by three different people

You're acting as if making a group list is ridiculously complicated, but it's really quite simple. It's been done before, really damn often. A: You describe what made you decide the character went there + their pros and cons B: As said, it's a give and take. You come to a conclusion everyone's cool with.

[jcogginsa]

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You're acting as if making a group list is ridiculously complicated, but it's really quite simple. It's been done before, really damn often. A: You describe what made you decide the character went there + their pros and cons B: As said, it's a give and take. You come to a conclusion everyone's cool with.

And do you know what doing that requires? Criteria. That is how the judgements are MADE. by not having criteria, there is nothing to judge, no argument can go deeper than "I think this goes here" and no one can argue that better than anyone else. There are no pros and cons without a criteria of judgement