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The Monkey King wrote:It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWokeRandomGuy96 wrote:He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
Neither Gowasu nor East Kaioshin have felt Beerus's FP.RandomGuy96 wrote:Merged Zamasu does get a "I've never felt a power this strong, even from a god!" statement from Goku and Vegeta. Gowasu says the same thing ("What terrifying energy... I've never seen such a powerful light"). So does Kaioshin. Would that not indicate he is above Beerus?
That 10% line would indicate the same thing.
We don't know that either, Isn't Beerus a 70 million years old being? In some point he could have the need of using his full power, but it's arguable that he was strong as the way he is actually, after all he didn't born with such power, he was trained by WhisAnimelover5487 wrote:Neither Gowasu nor East Kaioshin have felt Beerus's FP.
vegeku wrote:This is how I graphically represent my point of view of the last saga power levels:
The length of bars doesn't follow proportions, they only establish which character is stronger than other, like a ranking
Colors represent power proportions between an individual character, that's why I included the lens symbol to make it more clear
The Monkey King wrote:It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWokeRandomGuy96 wrote:He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
Excellent list except the bolded parts.ChiefWamsutta wrote:How does this list look to everyone:
Omni-king = Future Omni-king
Grand Priest
Vados
Whis
Bodyguard #1 = Bodyguard #2
Beerus
Champa
Supreme God Zamasu (Immortal Spirit)
SSB Vegito
Supreme God Zamasu (Powered-Up)
Trunks with Spirit Bomb Sword
Supreme God Zamasu (Weakened)
Hit
SSB KKx10 Goku
Supreme God Zamasu (Halo)
SSB KK Goku Kick
Father-Son Galick Gun = SSB Goku Kamehameha Breaking Arms
SSR Goku Black (Anger Tapped)
SSB Goku (Zenkai) = SSB Vegeta (Post-Breaking Time Chamber)
SSR Goku Black = SSB Goku (Anger Tapped)
SSB Goku (Universe 6-Zamasu Saga) = SSB Vegeta (Universe 6-Zamasu Saga)
Golden Frieza
SSB Goku (RoF Saga) = SSB Vegeta (RoF Saga)
I wrote:Well, Vegeta staying above Goku is also not permanent, it's limited in time.YouTube comment wrote:Kaioken is not permanent , it's limited in the timeI wrote: Why is Vegeta above Goku? What about the Kaioken?
Jinzoningen MULE wrote:You're in the DB community, it's always a power level thread to someone.
I was hesitant where to put Zamasu spirit. My question is why wouldn't he get more powerful? What was your reasoning that he doesn't?DBZ Macky wrote: *snip*
He did not. If you watch the scene closely he lowers his arm to open up Vegetto and hit him. Afterwards (even while powered up) Zamasu can't even do that again on the second clash.RandomGuy96 wrote:Merged Zamasu seemed solidly stronger than Vegetto. They directly clashed with their fists, head on, and Zamasu overpowered Vegetto.
Well, he wasn't mentioned to have grown any stronger... that's all.ChiefWamsutta wrote: I was hesitant where to put Zamasu spirit. My question is why wouldn't he get more powerful? What was your reasoning that he doesn't?
Well, I don't really know but there's this from the Daizenshuu:To me, Goku seemed able to keep up with Vegeta when Goku Black used his scythe (Anger Tapped). I never understood the Zenkai-thing stopping. Maybe when you become a Super Saiyan zenkais stop? But there's no evidence that they stopped. Zenkais just haven't been spoken about.
Daizenshuu 7 wrote: Even after the battle with Freeza, formidable enemies surpassing human knowledge appeared one after the other to face Goku. Though the power-ups received after having wounds healed became small, Goku and co. began using transformations and fusions to increase their battle powers, to the point where they could no longer be measured numerically…
I honestly think that Goku's life risking / limb sacrificing Kamehameha was beyond anything Vegeta could manage... without sacrificing something himself.Do you think the Father-Son Galick Gun should be equal to the breaking arms Kamehameha? Anything else need to change?
Except for what I said above, I don't think anything has to be changed. But feel free to differ, or else out lists would be identical[spoiler]Omni-king = Future Omni-king
Grand Priest
Vados
Whis
Bodyguard #1 = Bodyguard #2
Beerus
Champa
SSB Vegito
M. Zamasu (Powered-Up)
Trunks with Spirit Bomb Sword
M. Zamasu (Weakened) = M. Zamasu (Immortal Spirit)
Hit
SSB KKx10 Goku
M. Zamasu (Halo)
SSB KK Goku Kick
Father-Son Galick Gun = Kamehameha Breaking Arms
SSR Goku Black (Anger Tapped)
SSB Goku (Zenkai) = SSB Vegeta (Post-Breaking Time Chamber)
SSR Goku Black = SSB Goku (Anger Tapped)
SSB Goku (U6-Zamasu Saga) = SSB Vegeta (U6-Zamasu Saga)
Golden Frieza
SSB Goku (RoF Saga) = SSB Vegeta (RoF Saga)[/spoiler]
Jinzoningen MULE wrote:You're in the DB community, it's always a power level thread to someone.
The Monkey King wrote:It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWokeRandomGuy96 wrote:He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
I don't check power levels and am no expert, but zamasu being stronger than SSgod is pure, utter, mega, super bullshit..RandomGuy96 wrote:Are we supposed to believe that present Zamasu and SS2 Trunks were stronger than Super Saiyan God? Because that really doesn't feel right, at all.
In BOG arc, we saw this:RandomGuy96 wrote:Were we supposed to believe that present Zamasu and SS2 Trunks were stronger than Super Saiyan God? Because that really doesn't feel right, at all.
[/spoiler] I'm beginning to wonder what the power hierarchy actually is in Toriyama's mind.I still blame Toriyama for all of this. It seems that he retconned Goku and Vegeta's power in the Champa Arc, ditching the super strong bases. But didn't give them a memo or write stuff about it in his script. Causing a mess at Toei, who didn't change some stuff that was established in the movie, such as Goku absorbing the Super Saiyan God in his fight with Beerus. Toyotaro probably realized this, which is why he completely removed that from his adaption of BoG Arc.
The Monkey King wrote:It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWokeRandomGuy96 wrote:He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
Wrong. Vegetto was outclashing him for most of their fight. Even mocking him, and was about to finish him off were it not for the fusion wearing off. Don't let that one short scene where he voluntarily lost throw you off. That's just the lazy Goku part of him who apparently likes to hold back enough to lose.RandomGuy96 wrote:Merged Zamasu seemed solidly stronger than Vegetto. They directly clashed with their fists, head on, and Zamasu overpowered Vegetto.
