Super Animation Catalogue 2.0

[Ajay]

How long do One Piece's recent filler arcs tend to be?

I know that's not the best show to compare Dragon Ball Super to, but it's certainly a better equivalent than a show from the 1990s.

Silver Mine was four episodes, and Caesar Retrieval was three, I believe.

One Piece hasn't historically had particularly long filler arcs. I think the longest were just before Water 7 and Thriller Bark sagas, which were both about 10 episodes long.

One Piece tends to elongate manga scenes or throw in filler scenes in the midst of that stuff. Not unlike what Dragon Ball's anime did, really. Well, that and the occasional recap.

[ArchedThunder]

We should be getting newtype soon, right? It'll be interesting to see how much they get right and wrong this time, they got the supervisors mostly right last time, but the other staff they got WAY off.

[kinisking]

So I was watching episode 37. Wow, after the Future Trunks arc the animation and art looks way worse than I remember. It's not bad or anything, but I remember 37 being amazing. What I still find extremely enjoyable about this episode is the facial expressions. Kyabe's fear, and amazement are portrayed amazingly along with Vegeta's anger and fierceness

[nite_jay]

So, how bout' that Newtype?

[JazzMazz]

So I was watching episode 37. Wow, after the Future Trunks arc the animation and art looks way worse than I remember. It's not bad or anything, but I remember 37 being amazing. What I still find extremely enjoyable about this episode is the facial expressions. Kyabe's fear, and amazement are portrayed amazingly along with Vegeta's anger and fierceness

Eh, the first half of 37 wasn't very good, a lot of it wasn't very polished and everything was very stiff, with only some decent art (at times) and storyboarding getting it through. What makes 37 for me an above average episode of Super (in terms of animation) is the second half, where the art is a lot more polished and decent far more frequently, as well as some decent action scenes that happened in this half (the storyboarding was also a little more solid).
Personally, I thought 36 was better than 37 for being generally more polished.

[Attitudefan]

I haven't really looked at this thread, but even though it's old news, the original image is actually much closer to Toriyama's designs and proportions than the corrected version. THe larger heads/foreheads, the rounder and thinner borders on Vegeta's armour, the muscles, eyes, noses, and hair are much closer to Toriyama's style (particularly in the original run of the series) than the corrections. The correction has pupils that are too large and heads that are too wide. Even the musculature is a bit too exaggerated in the "correction. Actually, the original's musculature is more reminiscent of Toriyama (Toriyama never really pronounced the triceps like the 'corrected' drawing). Another thing, Goku's V-Neck is much more reminiscent to the Earlier Dragon Ball (mostly Namek arc) design. Even the lower placement of the mouths seem more Maeda/Early Toriyama era style. Interesting.

[Saikyo no Senshi]

The Universe 6 tournament arc had only one episode that I would call good from start to finish and that is #38. Tate did justice to Hit.
Even though most of the fight was just cool stills, it was effective. Whether it was Vegeta getting the shit kicked out of him or Gokuu trying to counter Hit's Toki-Tobashi, it was appealing. Tate's loose drawings is the reason why it was so appealing.

I also liked the character expressions, especially this one.

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This Vegeta pose for instance is so cool. I love it.

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Hatano Kouhei boarded and directed the episode and he did a good job too. Other than that the arc ranged from average to complete abysmal levels in terms of quality.

Anyways, looking forward to the staff reveal for the upcoming episodes.

[Psykomatik]

I noticed that basically all episodes with blood are directed by Kohei Hatano (38 and 56). Is he the only one who can do it or what?

[Sodhi]

It's Tsuji. Her episodes seem to be more lenient on blood side of things(Even if its little). #4, 38,54, 56. I guess in some episode they give her enough freedom to add very little blood.

[JazzMazz]

The Universe 6 tournament arc had only one episode that I would call good from start to finish and that is #38. Tate did justice to Hit.
Even though most of the fight was just cool stills, it was effective. Whether it was Vegeta getting the shit kicked out of him or Gokuu trying to counter Hit's Toki-Tobashi, it was appealing. Tate's loose drawings is the reason why it was so appealing.

I also liked the character expressions, especially this one.

[spoiler][/spoiler]

This Vegeta pose for instance is so cool. I love it.

[spoiler][/spoiler]

Hatano Kouhei boarded and directed the episode and he did a good job too. Other than that the arc ranged from average to complete abysmal levels in terms of quality.

Anyways, looking forward to the staff reveal for the upcoming episodes.

Yeah, #38 is definitely the only episode that holds up against other shows even slightly.

[ArchedThunder]

So I was watching episode 37. Wow, after the Future Trunks arc the animation and art looks way worse than I remember. It's not bad or anything, but I remember 37 being amazing. What I still find extremely enjoyable about this episode is the facial expressions. Kyabe's fear, and amazement are portrayed amazingly along with Vegeta's anger and fierceness

The arc as a whole was a huge step up from the F arc, but the art still wasn't nearly as consistent as the Future Trunks arc and the animation has nothing on the Future Trunks arc. I hope the quality continues to improve with every arc as it has been(excluding going from BoG to F obviously).

So, how bout' that Newtype?

#70
Script: Yoshitaka Toshio
Episode Director/Storyboard: Karasawa Kazuya
Animation Supervisor: Yoshitaka Yashima

#71
Script: Yoshitaka Toshio
Storyboard: ???(山本清里),Kazuya Karasawa,Kakudo Hiroyuki
Episode Director: Kawasaki Koji
Animation Supervisors: Ishikawa Osamu, Shimanuki Masahiro

#72
Script: Yoshitaka Toshio
Episode Director/Storyboard: Imamura Takahiro
Animation Supervisor:Yuichi Karasawa, Naoki Tate

#73
Script: King Ryu
Storyboard: Koshida Yumi
Episode Director: Hiroshima Hideki
Animation Supervisor: Sakai Hiroyuki

I really want these to be right, Shimanuki and Ishikawa doing the first Goku VS Hit episode followed by Karasawa and Tate doing the second? YES PLEASE!
Tate coming in when he is generally given more than the 8 weeks here makes me think that we are absolutely in a full length filler arc before the next Toriyama arc, there is no way they'd use Tate, Shimanuki, Karasawa and Ishikawa in the span of 2 weeks if the next Toriyama arc was starting in January or February.
Hiroyuki being the solo supervisor for 73 makes me think it's not action and it should finally be the episode where we figure out his style with him being the sole supervisor and having 7 weeks.
I really hope Tate's involvement in 69 isn't going to hurt 72, but with how little he did it shouldn't hurt it like 63 hurt 65.
Not seeing any new supervisors is a little bit disappointing, but not unexpected, but it would have been very nice considering they are still doubling up on supervisors. It is going to continue to be interesting to see the supervisor listings in the next issue.
A lot of the regular episode to episode animators have been missing for a little bit, hopefully it's because they have been on this presumed filler arc.

If accurate (Last month got the non animation staff incredibly wrong) seeing 3 Yoshitaka Toshio episodes in a row is interesting since that's not something he usually does. I was kind of expecting to see some Tomioka episodes, but I guess he's probably completely focused on the next Toriyama arc. King Ryu still continues to show up sporadically compared to how he used to, I REALLY want that to be because he's been working on the next arc this whole time.

The animation supervisor listings sound about right and with last month only getting two people backwards, so I can totally see this being right, but it will be really interesting to see how right or wrong the rest is with how off it was last month.
With these staff listings I'm guessing Episode 71 will be half set up and half action, 72 will be action and then Goku has to retreat or something and then 73 will be setting up more of the filler arc.

[JazzMazz]

Well thats certainly an interesting Supervisor line-up (if it's correct).

Personally looking forward to the Karasawa/Tate episode the most, hopefully someone there is able to produce something interesting.

[Ajay]

Episode 71's image has leaked once again from Fuji's site:



So bizarre. I guess he's just examining a hologram of sorts.

Nose sure looks like Ishikawa, so I guess that's probably correct, at least.

[ArchedThunder]

Rain is not something we get often but it looks great, though it will probably be a short scene sadly.
Hit looks awesome, though they colored his bicep wrong.

[JazzMazz]

Hopefully ep 71 is decent, Ishikawa and Shimanuki have proven themselves capable enough of producing a polished episode on tight time frames. (Shimanuki working on 66 5 weeks after working on 61)

[Lord Beerus]

The leaked images looks quite promising, for how ominous it looks. Gotta be honest, I'm really looking forward to Hit trying to assassinate Goku greatly and I hope it lead to a full length arc.

[Sodhi]

If newtype is correct then 71 having 3 storyboarders(decent ones too) should help it in being a reasonably polished episoded. I am expecting good stuff from 71 and 72.Yuichi Karasawa, Naoki Tate should be a really good pair.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

If newtype is correct then 71 having 3 storyboarders(decent ones too) should help it in being a reasonably polished episoded. I am expecting good stuff from 71 and 72.Yuichi Karasawa, Naoki Tate should be a really good pair.

Hmm so this might not be a Toei original arc after all then.

[Psykomatik]

If newtype is correct then 71 having 3 storyboarders(decent ones too) should help it in being a reasonably polished episoded. I am expecting good stuff from 71 and 72.Yuichi Karasawa, Naoki Tate should be a really good pair.

Hmm so this might not be a Toei original arc after all then.

44 had Yuichi Karasawa as AS, and it was a Toei original arc...

[Sodhi]

I think it most likely is toei original arc,because of how much of good/decent staff they are pouring into these episodes. It would be really bizarre if they went through most of their regulars in the first two episode of a major arc.