Super Animation Catalogue 2.0

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 69

Post by Baggie_Saiyan » Fri Dec 09, 2016 2:41 pm

Psykomatik wrote:
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Sodhi wrote:If newtype is correct then 71 having 3 storyboarders(decent ones too) should help it in being a reasonably polished episoded. I am expecting good stuff from 71 and 72.Yuichi Karasawa, Naoki Tate should be a really good pair.
Hmm so this might not be a Toei original arc after all then.
44 had Yuichi Karasawa as AS, and it was a Toei original arc...
Oh did it? Fair enough then.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 69

Post by Jinzoningen MULE » Fri Dec 09, 2016 2:43 pm

Baggie_Saiyan wrote:
Sodhi wrote:If newtype is correct then 71 having 3 storyboarders(decent ones too) should help it in being a reasonably polished episoded. I am expecting good stuff from 71 and 72.Yuichi Karasawa, Naoki Tate should be a really good pair.
Hmm so this might not be a Toei original arc after all then.
The storyboard work has little to do with whether or not Toriyama is involved, and Karasawa and Tate are part of the standard lineup of animators, so of course they aren't exclusive to Toriyama arcs. I'm confused as to how you came to that conclusion.
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 69

Post by Gashif Aldi » Fri Dec 09, 2016 9:18 pm

Jinzoningen MULE wrote:
Baggie_Saiyan wrote:
Sodhi wrote:If newtype is correct then 71 having 3 storyboarders(decent ones too) should help it in being a reasonably polished episoded. I am expecting good stuff from 71 and 72.Yuichi Karasawa, Naoki Tate should be a really good pair.
Hmm so this might not be a Toei original arc after all then.
The storyboard work has little to do with whether or not Toriyama is involved, and Karasawa and Tate are part of the standard lineup of animators, so of course they aren't exclusive to Toriyama arcs. I'm confused as to how you came to that conclusion.
Hmm... But, episode 44 looked amazing. Sadly, it was filler. The animation is how should DBS looked weekly, atleast in my opinion.
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 69

Post by Jinzoningen MULE » Fri Dec 09, 2016 9:47 pm

Gashif Aldi wrote:Hmm... But, episode 44 looked amazing. Sadly, it was filler. The animation is how should DBS looked weekly, atleast in my opinion.
What do you mean by "should"? It would be a welcome change to have consistently good animation, but it's just not possible with the current direction, staff, and schedule.
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 69

Post by Attitudefan » Fri Dec 09, 2016 10:45 pm

Jinzoningen MULE wrote:
Gashif Aldi wrote:Hmm... But, episode 44 looked amazing. Sadly, it was filler. The animation is how should DBS looked weekly, atleast in my opinion.
What do you mean by "should"? It would be a welcome change to have consistently good animation, but it's just not possible with the current direction, staff, and schedule.
Why this art style? It still bugs me. Like my earlier post, the corrections look less like Toriyama even though it is supposed to. It bugs me so much.
My favourite art style (and animation) outside Toriyama who worked on Dragon Ball: Katsuyoshi Nakatsuru, Masaki Satō, Minoru Maeda, Takeo Ide, Hisashi Eguchi, Katsumi Aoshima, Tomekichi Takeuchi, Masahiro Shimanuki, Kazuya Hisada

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 69

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 69

Post by Gashif Aldi » Sat Dec 10, 2016 4:05 am

Jinzoningen MULE wrote:
Gashif Aldi wrote:Hmm... But, episode 44 looked amazing. Sadly, it was filler. The animation is how should DBS looked weekly, atleast in my opinion.
What do you mean by "should"? It would be a welcome change to have consistently good animation, but it's just not possible with the current direction, staff, and schedule.
I mean, DBS atleast should look like that if problems like the nightmare schedule and low animators didn't exist.
I feel like episode 44 animation is higher than most of the Toriyama's story arc episodes, but it was filler.
And that episode is directed pretty well in my opinion.
I felt like that episode is a waste of Karasawa and the others working on it.
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 69

Post by iAnimationLover_ » Sat Dec 10, 2016 4:08 am

#71
Script: Yoshitaka Toshio
Storyboard: ???(山本清里),Kazuya Karasawa,Kakudo Hiroyuki
Episode Director: Kawasaki Koji
Animation Supervisors: Ishikawa Osamu, Shimanuki Masahiro

I Really dont want shimanuki to only have 5 weeks to animate :thumbdown: xd
#72
Script: Yoshitaka Toshio
Episode Director/Storyboard: Imamura Takahiro
Animation Supervisor:Yuichi Karasawa, Naoki Tate
Ok, i really hope this is wrong. Tate would only have 6 weeks to animate. which i dont really wanna see xD and karasawa would only have 5 weeks.
#73
Script: King Ryu
Storyboard: Koshida Yumi
Episode Director: Hiroshima Hideki
Animation Supervisor: Sakai Hiroyuki
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If this is right then at least we'll see sakai's style[/quote]

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 69

Post by iAnimationLover_ » Sat Dec 10, 2016 4:10 am

Attitudefan wrote:
Jinzoningen MULE wrote:
Gashif Aldi wrote:Hmm... But, episode 44 looked amazing. Sadly, it was filler. The animation is how should DBS looked weekly, atleast in my opinion.
What do you mean by "should"? It would be a welcome change to have consistently good animation, but it's just not possible with the current direction, staff, and schedule.
Why this art style? It still bugs me. Like my earlier post, the corrections look less like Toriyama even though it is supposed to. It bugs me so much.

Because of yamamuro's character designs mate. Its all on model

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 69

Post by JazzMazz » Sat Dec 10, 2016 4:46 am

iAnimationLover_ wrote:
Attitudefan wrote:
Jinzoningen MULE wrote: What do you mean by "should"? It would be a welcome change to have consistently good animation, but it's just not possible with the current direction, staff, and schedule.
Why this art style? It still bugs me. Like my earlier post, the corrections look less like Toriyama even though it is supposed to. It bugs me so much.

Because of yamamuro's character designs mate. Its all on model
I think he was more referring to how the character sheets don't resemble Toriyama's artstyle and designs of the characters.

Also, iAnimationLover, could you please not double post. It looks messy. Thanks :D

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 69

Post by iAnimationLover_ » Sat Dec 10, 2016 4:56 am

JazzMazz wrote:
iAnimationLover_ wrote:
Attitudefan wrote: Why this art style? It still bugs me. Like my earlier post, the corrections look less like Toriyama even though it is supposed to. It bugs me so much.

Because of yamamuro's character designs mate. Its all on model
I think he was more referring to how the character sheets don't resemble Toriyama's artstyle and designs of the characters.

Also, iAnimationLover, could you please not double post. It looks messy. Thanks :D

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 69

Post by iAnimationLover_ » Sat Dec 10, 2016 11:04 am

Gashif Aldi wrote:
Jinzoningen MULE wrote:
Gashif Aldi wrote:Hmm... But, episode 44 looked amazing. Sadly, it was filler. The animation is how should DBS looked weekly, atleast in my opinion.
What do you mean by "should"? It would be a welcome change to have consistently good animation, but it's just not possible with the current direction, staff, and schedule.
I mean, DBS atleast should look like that if problems like the nightmare schedule and low animators didn't exist.
I feel like episode 44 animation is higher than most of the Toriyama's story arc episodes, but it was filler.
And that episode is directed pretty well in my opinion.
I felt like that episode is a waste of Karasawa and the others working on it.
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A VERY high number of key animators..

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 69

Post by Psykomatik » Sat Dec 10, 2016 11:12 am

Well, it was outsourced to Wanpack so...

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 69

Post by iAnimationLover_ » Sat Dec 10, 2016 11:19 am

Psykomatik wrote:Well, it was outsourced to Wanpack so...

Oh, shet. I forgot about that. xD
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 69

Post by ArchedThunder » Sat Dec 10, 2016 12:19 pm

iAnimationLover_ wrote:
I Really dont want shimanuki to only have 5 weeks to animate :thumbdown: xd
He only had 5 weeks between 61 and 66 and even did some correcting on an episode in between and yet his style was still seen very strongly through episode 66. I wouldn't worry about Shimanuki.
iAnimationLover_ wrote: Ok, i really hope this is wrong. Tate would only have 6 weeks to animate. which i dont really wanna see xD and karasawa would only have 5 weeks.
Tate would have 7 weeks and Karasawa would have 6.
The only one I'm worried about it Tate because he was involved in 66 and 69. When Tate's focus is is shifted around multiple episodes his episodes usually suffer, but I'm sure that Karsawa along with the animators, Tsuji and the 2nd key animators will make sure that the episodes comes out fine.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 69

Post by iAnimationLover_ » Sat Dec 10, 2016 1:58 pm

ArchedThunder wrote:
iAnimationLover_ wrote:
I Really dont want shimanuki to only have 5 weeks to animate :thumbdown: xd
He only had 5 weeks between 61 and 66 and even did some correcting on an episode in between and yet his style was still seen very strongly through episode 66. I wouldn't worry about Shimanuki.
iAnimationLover_ wrote: Ok, i really hope this is wrong. Tate would only have 6 weeks to animate. which i dont really wanna see xD and karasawa would only have 5 weeks.
Tate would have 7 weeks and Karasawa would have 6.
The only one I'm worried about it Tate because he was involved in 66 and 69. When Tate's focus is is shifted around multiple episodes his episodes usually suffer, but I'm sure that Karsawa along with the animators, Tsuji and the 2nd key animators will make sure that the episodes comes out fine.
Yea thats what i actually meant xD I wanted to edit it but i didnt feel like it. lets just hope it all turns out fine

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 69

Post by Gashif Aldi » Sat Dec 10, 2016 2:29 pm

Psykomatik wrote:Well, it was outsourced to Wanpack so...
Wanpack episodes seems to be very good. But, somehow it's always filler. Is there any particular reason here? Just put Wanpack in episode 64, and SHAKA LAKA BOOM!
I think the animation is too good.
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 69

Post by iAnimationLover_ » Sat Dec 10, 2016 3:02 pm

Gashif Aldi wrote:
Psykomatik wrote:Well, it was outsourced to Wanpack so...
Wanpack episodes seems to be very good. But, somehow it's always filler. Is there any particular reason here? Just put Wanpack in episode 64, and SHAKA LAKA BOOM!
I think the animation is too good.
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 69

Post by Psykomatik » Sat Dec 10, 2016 5:13 pm

Gashif Aldi wrote:
Psykomatik wrote:Well, it was outsourced to Wanpack so...
Wanpack episodes seems to be very good. But, somehow it's always filler. Is there any particular reason here? Just put Wanpack in episode 64, and SHAKA LAKA BOOM!
I think the animation is too good.
It's not a statement you can make like that. It all depends on who's supervising Wanpack, and the schedule.

Wanpack dit #17 and #23 (both supervised by Ishikawa), and they were really bad at times. Recently, #51 (Kitano) and #60 (Ono, someone from Wanpack, i think ?) weren't that good either.
Plus, they worked on episode 38 (Tate), and it was really good. Obviously, they are working on filler episode to help the schedule, but they are not always great.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 69

Post by Lord Beerus » Sat Dec 10, 2016 8:28 pm

This was an incredibly solid episode. The best looking filler episode Super has had so far, no doubt.

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