Wouldn't Tien have suffered the same fate as Yamcha?

[kinisking]

So I've been re-reading the saiyan saga. Everyone gives Yamcha shit for dropping his guard and "losing" to the saibaman but right before Tien drops his guard also. If it weren't for Vegeta killing the saibaman, then Tien could have went through the same thing.

[Akyon]

Yes. Yes he would.

Honestly there's a good chance any of them could have been killed by the same thing bar MAYBE Piccolo who seems like the least likely to drop his guard or has a big enough of a power gap that it might not work on him. Hell, the reason Yamcha decides to go instead of Krillin is because he has a bad feeling about the Saibamen.

But...it happened to Yamcha, and the guy never gets to look good again after that fight in canon either.

[precita]

Problem is Yamcha got taken out early in both the Saiyan and Cell arcs. He loses to a Saibaman, is of course dead during the entire Freeza arc, and then Dr. Gero punches a hole through him at the beginning of the Cell arc and he pretty much just stays at Kame's house all the way until the Cell Games begins.

I always did think Yamcha's last moments of glory is contributing to the defeat of Perfect Cell when he was firing his blasts like everyone else was, that's always overlooked.

[TheGreatness25]

With Yamucha clearly being the weakest Z Warrior (I mean it's either him or Chaozu), people like to crap on him. I like Yamucha. Yamucha and Kuririn get a bad rap just because they get overpowered. Yeah, Yamucha -- unlike Kuririn -- shows that he's a bit more cowardly, but I don't think that's the case either. Kuririn and Yamucha say things that make you believe that they're not quick to rush into battle, but both display incredible courage because they are overpowered, yet still choose to fight.

I'm sure that Yamucha didn't expect to defeat the dreaded Saiyans that he heard about for a year, but he still showed up. Yamucha went back to the battlefield after 20 nearly killed him. All of the human characters, I'd argue, are much more heroic than the Saiyans because they know that they don't stand a chance, but the come to fight anyway.

Did Yamucha really let his guard down against the Saibaimen? Or was he simply the first casualty to experience what they are capable of? I believe it's the latter.

[RandomGuy96]

Yeah, Tenshitforbrains isn't a smart guy. This doesn't absolve Yamcha of anything.

[precita]

Yeah, Tenshitforbrains isn't a smart guy.

Angry, much?

[RandomGuy96]

Yeah, Tenshitforbrains isn't a smart guy.

Angry, much?

I don't see where I implied I was angry?

[Kid Buu]

A lot of Goku's rivals aren't exactly too bright in combat, hence why Goku himself outsmarted them in battle.

[RandomGuy96]

A lot of Goku's rivals aren't exactly too bright in combat, hence why Goku himself outsmarted them in battle.

My favorite instances of this are when Goku's rivals throw poorly aimed attacks at him and the attacks somehow end up nailing them instead, meaning they are effectively defeating themselves.

But Piccolo is a brilliant fighter alright!?

[TekTheNinja]

If Goku was there I could see it happening to him too. Seriously I don't see why Yamcha gets so much shit for this.

[Zephyr]

Tenshinhan lets his guard after seemingly winning a match explicitly fought for sport. Yamcha lets his guard down after seemingly winning a match more explicitly fought for life and death.

[kinisking]

Tenshinhan lets his guard after seemingly winning a match explicitly fought for sport. Yamcha lets his guard down after seemingly winning a match more explicitly fought for life and death.

What? They were both fighting saibamen.

[Gaffer Tape]

Tenshinhan lets his guard after seemingly winning a match explicitly fought for sport. Yamcha lets his guard down after seemingly winning a match more explicitly fought for life and death.

What? They were both fighting saibamen.

That's probably in reference to the fact that Vegeta refers to it as "a game." But I don't think anybody there was under the impression that it wasn't to be taken seriously. Even Vegeta kills his minion for losing. It's only "a game" in the sense that he considers them so far beneath him that he and Nappa can watch for sport. That's the whole reason Piccolo takes such offense to it: their struggles are a game to him, not to them.

[Hyena_Yamcha]

most likely he would



i remember Tien being off gaurd when he thought that he defeated the saibaman

[Ki Breaker]

Yup, he would..
Tien and Yamcha were around the same level when you compare them with higher powers like the ones they were fighting..

Yamcha is the weakest z warrior ( debatable, I think chiaotzu is ) so people give him shit.. not really, he is a pretty awesome character..

Yamcha dying was to symbolize the grave condition they were in, drop the guard and you are dead

[The_Destroyer]

Yup. Krillin even says that if Yamcha didnt fight in place of him,he would have been the one to die too. I think Piccolo would be the only one who could survive that blast.

Also Yamcha is the qeakest Z fightee if you take Yajirobe,Chaotzu, and Roshi out of the equation. But by the time the android saga rolled around those 3 werent z fighters anymore. So in the sayain saga, he wasnt the weakest.

[RandomGuy96]

Yup. Krillin even says that if Yamcha didnt fight in place of him,he would have been the one to die too. I think Piccolo would be the only one who could survive that blast.

Also Yamcha is the qeakest Z fightee if you take Yajirobe,Chaotzu, and Roshi out of the equation. But by the time the android saga rolled around those 3 werent z fighters anymore. So in the sayain saga, he wasnt the weakest.

Yet Yajirobe still accomplished far more than Yamcha or Tenshinhan. Yet another reason he's the best character.

[TekTheNinja]

Yamcha is the weakest z warrior ( debatable, I think chiaotzu is )

I don't think anyone legitimately argues that Chiaotzu is stronger than Yamcha. Come to think of it I wonder why Chiaotzu doesn't get more hate. He's probably the most useless Z figher to exist. He only ever had one worthwhile fight and it was just a tournament match. Blowing himself up was kinda cool too I guess even though: http://starecat.com/content/wp-content/ ... matter.jpg

[Zephyr]

Tenshinhan lets his guard after seemingly winning a match explicitly fought for sport. Yamcha lets his guard down after seemingly winning a match more explicitly fought for life and death.

What? They were both fighting saibamen.

Vegeta suggests they fight for sport. While Piccolo is upset by this notion, Krillin thinks it wise, as it would buy time for Goku. That's when Tenshinhan steps up to the plate. There seems to be a general agreement that they're not fighting to kill one another just yet. Tenshinhan defeats his, and then lets his guard down.

That's when Vegeta kills the Saibaman for not going all out. It is then clear to the Saibamen that it's the earthlings or them. If the Saibamen don't win, at any cost, then Vegeta will kill them. This right here clearly escalates things. It is after this is made more clear that Yamcha somehow still sees it fit to let one's guard down.

They both let their guard down against some strange aliens, and they're both dumb on that account. I think that Yamcha's more dumb, however, for continuing to let his guard down after seeing that Vegeta will kill the Saibaman if it doesn't kill Yamcha.

[LuckyCat]

Tenshinhan would've been okay, most notably because Chaozu would've warned him if the Saibaman was coming for another attack (which is what happened in the first round). Also, Yamcha alone has a reputation from Dragonball of seriously underestimating his opponents, getting cocky, then losing because of it.