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I don't know why you bother, man. Why respond to a good post, when you can just make a 1-2 line thing regurgitating stuff that's already been said ad-infinitum throughout the thread?
Anyway, I can see the issue with the whole "black people turning into giant rampaging monkeys thing." Otherwise, I don't see how it would really be any different. It might have some.....interesting overtones with the Freeza stuff, especially if Freeza's design remains the same. The thing is, though, I'm not sure how familiar the average Japanese author would be with African colonial history, so several of these "problematic" issues might just go over their heads.
I don't know why you bother, man. Why respond to a good post, when you can just make a 1-2 line thing regurgitating stuff that's already been said ad-infinitum throughout the thread?
Anyway, I can see the issue with the whole "black people turning into giant rampaging monkeys thing." Otherwise, I don't see how it would really be any different. It might have some.....interesting overtones with the Freeza stuff, especially if Freeza's design remains the same.
Ah yes, that would reference the age-old conflict between black people and lizard vibrators.
The Monkey King wrote:
RandomGuy96 wrote:
dbgtFO wrote:
Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
I don't know what qualifies as being black in Japan, but going by the US definition (of Sub-Saharan Africa descent), then I don't think Nam and Uub would qualify. To me their physical characteristics look more like based on South Asians. Though I do actually know a lot of Indians/Pakistanis who look East-Asian.
Here's what I see as Toriyama's interpretation of a black person:
Rocketman wrote:"Shonen" basically means "stupid sentimental shit" anyway, so it's ok to be anti-shonen.
Probably not if the first image in the video was the design of the cast. They don't look half as charming as the real Son family.
Hell; Gohan just looks like a generic thug. The kind of mook you'd be forced to fight in GTA or a streets of rage game.
Honestly every single one of the other designs looked horrific too apart from the simple skin palette swaps and maybe the one with the Vegeta-esque character with dreads. SSJ really doesn't work with a buzz cut.
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1. Goku (Universe 7) has eliminated 6 competitor & Vegeta (Universe 7) has eliminated 6 competitors
I don't know why you bother, man. Why respond to a good post, when you can just make a 1-2 line thing regurgitating stuff that's already been said ad-infinitum throughout the thread?
Anyway, I can see the issue with the whole "black people turning into giant rampaging monkeys thing." Otherwise, I don't see how it would really be any different. It might have some.....interesting overtones with the Freeza stuff, especially if Freeza's design remains the same.
Ah yes, that would reference the age-old conflict between black people and lizard vibrators.
I was referring to the faux-polite white British overlord thing....which you knew perfectly well when you cut out the second half of my post. Come on, man, you're usually one of the halfway decent posters on here. Don't go out of your way to prove the shitposting that I mentioned in the first part of that.
I've never taken skin colour in consideration for how much I enjoy any form of media and/or entertainment, so it wouldn't really matter to me if the cast were black. It all comes down to the writing.
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Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
You know, I'd mostly avoided this thread, but I'm glad I stopped back in just to read this post. As with nearly all of your posts, I walked away from this one learning quite a bit I never knew before. So thanks!
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Kamiccolo9 wrote:
I was referring to the faux-polite white British overlord thing....which you knew perfectly well when you cut out the second half of my post. Come on, man, you're usually one of the halfway decent posters on here. Don't go out of your way to prove the shitposting that I mentioned in the first part of that.
Oh, I know what you meant, I was just making an (apparently poor) joke.
The Monkey King wrote:
RandomGuy96 wrote:
dbgtFO wrote:
Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
I would have to hope that the characters didn't turn out looking like Black (RR Army) or Killa. But, then again, I like the story more than how cool they look. Although if the series did make them all look like that, I doubt it would ever get a U.S. release in the first place, which means that a huge English-speaking market would never really be exposed to it.
Kid Buu wrote:I don't know what qualifies as being black in Japan, but going by the US definition (of Sub-Saharan Africa descent), then I don't think Nam and Uub would qualify. To me their physical characteristics look more like based on South Asians. Though I do actually know a lot of Indians/Pakistanis who look East-Asian.
Here's what I see as Toriyama's interpretation of a black person:
This picture is at the root of my fear of a Akira Toriyama all black dragonball
You see, these designs aren't just black versions of the characters. These are ghetto versions, and I really don't like wannabe ghetto thug assholes. That's not even a race thing since white ghetto thug assholes are just a prevalent as black ghetto thug assholes.
TekTheNinja wrote:You see, these designs aren't just black versions of the characters. These are ghetto versions, and I really don't like wannabe ghetto thug assholes. That's not even a race thing since white ghetto thug assholes are just a prevalent as black ghetto thug assholes.
I wouldn't call those designs ghetto, tbh. I mean the guy's wearing a suit.
I probably would have watched DBZ anyways because I started watching it years after it aired on TV because it was popular. Also, I whole-heartedly agree with you that there should be more non-white/Asian (whatever the hell they're supposed to be) characters on the show.
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TekTheNinja wrote:You see, these designs aren't just black versions of the characters. These are ghetto versions, and I really don't like wannabe ghetto thug assholes. That's not even a race thing since white ghetto thug assholes are just a prevalent as black ghetto thug assholes.
I wouldn't call those designs ghetto, tbh. I mean the guy's wearing a suit.
I know right, this isn't ghetto. It's a stereotypical depiction of a black guy.
Dragonball Black wrote: I do think its high time they add some characters of color into the show, and hopefully Super does this. So far the only one that I can think of is Uub. Anyway I thought I would share this here and see exactly what you guys think? And be honest. Thanks for your time guys!
I don't keep up with whatever lexicon this is. Are Chinese and Japanese people not "people of color" now? Most of the characters are supposed to look East Asian with a few that I assume are supposed to be white, though some are more blatant than others (e.g. Tao Paipai is Chinese as all hell, and Krillin's background suggests he's supposed to look Tibetan- though it doesn't necessarily mean that). Are South Asians "people of color" but East Asians aren't? Since when? Furthermore does this "people of color" label extend to South Asian people who look like East Asians, such as the Naga and Assamese?
On-topic, I don't see why child-me wouldn't. A lot of the shows I watched as a kid had black superheroes as protagonists, and I don't remember that being a problem.
The Monkey King wrote:
RandomGuy96 wrote:
dbgtFO wrote:
Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
Kid Buu wrote:I don't know what qualifies as being black in Japan, but going by the US definition (of Sub-Saharan Africa descent), then I don't think Nam and Uub would qualify. To me their physical characteristics look more like based on South Asians. Though I do actually know a lot of Indians/Pakistanis who look East-Asian.
Here's what I see as Toriyama's interpretation of a black person:
Yeah, I don't understand why people think Uub or Nam are black. I mean, I don't think it's debatable that Nam is South east asian.
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kinisking wrote:
Yeah, I don't understand why people think Uub or Nam are black. I mean, I don't think it's debatable that Nam is South east asian.
You mean South Asian? He looks like he's from the Indian Subcontinent, although I guess you could argue he's a mix of Asian cultures.
I could've sword India was counted as a South East country. Forgive my ignorance.
Jinzoningen MULE wrote: Maybe I should start making it a point not to comment when I'm not sure of something. Too many people know what they're talking about around here.
Disclaimer: I might get into a disagreement with you. Sometimes I might even get feisty about it. I'll never harbor negative feelings because of it though. I hope you feel the same way!
I made a bet with Alee9977 that Vegeta won't be beaten quickly by an opponent. If I lose, I switch my avatar to Vegeta getting beat by hit. If I win, he switches it to Vegeta holding Black by his hair. This will last a month.