Super Animation Catalogue 2.0

Discussion specifically regarding the "Dragon Ball Super" TV series premiering July 2015 in Japan, including individual threads for each episode.
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 70

Post by Ajay » Sun Dec 11, 2016 3:45 pm

Episode 70

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There we go!

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ArchedThunder wrote:Also are you sure that Cabbe shot is her? I mean I can see it in the ear, but the face looks so much like Yashima's Cabbe that I have a hard time seeing that face being a correction from her.
I just assumed it was a partial correction, but it may well be Yashima drawing slightly different ears. Not sure!
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 70

Post by ArchedThunder » Sun Dec 11, 2016 3:52 pm

I love how the shots you picked for Tsuji and Yokoyama are a perfect example of what I said about Yokoyama reminding me of a more Z interpretation of Tsuji's style. The shots are at similar angles and you can really see how basic shapes are similar, but Yokoyama brings in more Z style with things like face curvature and defined ear lobes.
Am I the only one that sees this?

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 70

Post by nite_jay » Sun Dec 11, 2016 4:20 pm

Really liked the U6 arc animation discussion @Wezenheim and Ajay! It's a great watch if you need something to listen to while working on something.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 70

Post by ParkerAL » Sun Dec 11, 2016 6:18 pm

I plan to draw some Dragon Ball stuff tomorrow (working on-and-off on a fan comic) so I'll make sure to tune into it! I enjoyed their discussions of the prior two arcs.
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 70

Post by Alee9977 » Sun Dec 11, 2016 9:11 pm

Is it possible that the new director decided to add blood to the series? I know it's just one episode but the amount of blood was higher to what we are used to. Hopefully we'll see more in future episodes if this turns to be true.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 70

Post by ArchedThunder » Sun Dec 11, 2016 9:52 pm

Alee9977 wrote:Is it possible that the new director decided to add blood to the series? I know it's just one episode but the amount of blood was higher to what we are used to. Hopefully we'll see more in future episodes if this turns to be true.
I was thinking about this, he storyboarded and directed 38 which was the first episode to have blood (outside of a nose bleed gag with Roshi and Oolong in the BoG arc) and he also storyboarded and directed 56 which had Vegeta cough up blood. I think it is certainly possible that he pushed for more blood in the series, but really we need to wait and see if we are actually going to have more blood now or not.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 70

Post by JazzMazz » Sun Dec 11, 2016 11:49 pm

More blood would definitely be something I personally would like seeing more of in the series.

Also, another thing that makes me think its going to be Shimanuki is the way some of the hands are drawn.
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It does seem in line with how we have seen Shimanuki draws hands throughout the series.
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 69

Post by dhaval_dongre » Mon Dec 12, 2016 3:21 am

ArchedThunder wrote: Soloing an episode in 6 weeks or so is pretty normal for Yashima. Also Wanpack is credited in episodes they work on, just not as a studio, when Wanpack works on an episode the individual animators are all credited instead of the studio.
Ya 6 weeks is pretty standard for Yashima. But I was really blown away by his work this week. I really didn't expect it to be this good. I thought it will be an ok episode. But it was actually pretty nice and far exceeded my expectations. I might be probably wrong about the entire outsourcing thing though. His work on this week's was better than what he did in the Future Trunks arc. (I am not considering the final few episodes where he was thrown under the bus. I am mainly comparing with #52 I believe, the episode where Trunks meets Gohan and Videl, I remember Yashima was assigned that episode)

Its nice to see him improving as well.
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 70

Post by Psykomatik » Mon Dec 12, 2016 3:23 am

The episode where Trunks meets Krilin and his wife is 53, and was supervised by Osamu Ishikawa.
You may be talking about episode 52, where Trunks meets Son Gohan and his wife (episode 52)?

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 70

Post by dhaval_dongre » Mon Dec 12, 2016 3:27 am

Psykomatik wrote:The episode where Trunks meets Krilin and his wife is 53, and was supervised by Osamu Ishikawa.
You may be talking about episode 52, where Trunks meets Son Gohan and his wife (episode 52)?
Oh yeah, I totally messed up the episodes. Thanks for the correction. It was 52, where Trunks meets Gohan and his wife.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 70

Post by Saikyo no Senshi » Mon Dec 12, 2016 3:30 am

What are the chances that Hatano Morio is busy planning a new movie? I mean it's possible, right? If One Piece is anything to go by when a director left or was 2nd credited, he was busy working on a movie.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 70

Post by Psykomatik » Mon Dec 12, 2016 3:34 am

Saikyo no Senshi wrote:What are the chances that Hatano Morio is busy planning a new movie? I mean it's possible, right? If One Piece is anything to go by when a director left or was 2nd credited, he was busy working on a movie.
None. Chioka was also 2nd credited, we're months after, and he only recently directed an episode of Tiger Mask 'W'.
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 70

Post by Saikyo no Senshi » Mon Dec 12, 2016 3:42 am

Psykomatik wrote: None. Chioka was also 2nd credited, we're months after, and he only recently direct and episode of Tiger Mask 'W'.
Yeah, maybe you are right. But, I'm still keeping my hopes up. A Hatano movie would be the best thing that can happen to this creatively stagnant franchise.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 70

Post by Sodhi » Mon Dec 12, 2016 3:51 am

Sadly, Yamamuro would screw it up anyways.Creativity cannot be achieved when the franchise has such a below average CD and Animation director(who likes to overcorrect things). Director or storyboarders can only do so much.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 70

Post by Psykomatik » Mon Dec 12, 2016 4:15 am

Well, he did not screw things up in that RoF special, so fingers crossed... :D

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 70

Post by Saikyo no Senshi » Mon Dec 12, 2016 4:20 am

If Hatano and not Yamamuro is the director then even with Yamamuro's below average character designs they can produce high quality stuff. Shida Naotoshi, Tate Naoki for example can flat out ignore his designs and do their own thing. I'm pretty sure Hatano would approve it.

Although, Yamamuro as AD can fuck things up, but still it would be a lot better than Yamamuro as everything.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 70

Post by dhaval_dongre » Mon Dec 12, 2016 4:23 am

Really don't know what Yamamuro's upto. We haven't seen much of his involvement in Super in a long time outside of his work in #39 and even in the RoF special.

Edit: I do know that he is still doing the character designs for the series.

Also on a second thought will we see even less of him in the future ? Are we close to seeing him step down from the series ?
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 70

Post by Sodhi » Mon Dec 12, 2016 4:37 am

Saikyo no Senshi wrote:If Hatano and not Yamamuro is the director then even with Yamamuro's below average character designs they can produce high quality stuff. Shida Naotoshi, Tate Naoki for example can flat out ignore his designs and do their own thing. I'm pretty sure Hatano would approve it.

Although, Yamamuro as AD can fuck things up, but still it would be a lot better than Yamamuro as everything.
No arguing that, just the thought of wasted talent just makes me mad.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 70

Post by Sodhi » Mon Dec 12, 2016 4:46 am

dhaval_dongre wrote:Really don't know what Yamamuro's upto. We haven't seen much of his involvement in Super in a long time outside of his work in #39 and even in the RoF special.

Edit: I do know that he is still doing the character designs for the series.

Also on a second thought will we see even less of him in the future ? Are we close to seeing him step down from the series ?
I always like to give him benefit of the doubt, that he is working on a lot of new designs. Hopefully in the next one or two arcs, we actually get to see, what he has been cooking.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 70

Post by dhaval_dongre » Mon Dec 12, 2016 4:54 am

Sodhi wrote: I always like to give him benefit of the doubt, that he is working on a lot of new designs. Hopefully in the next one or two arcs, we actually get to see, what he has been cooking.
It will be interesting to see what he's been upto. But if his influence is really limited at that point, that would definitely be something to think about.

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