The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[Steven Bloodriver]

1) How about Super Saiyan 3 Goku (Fusion Reborn) and GT SSJ3 Goku vs. Super Janemba?

2) I think Goku from the Champa Saga is barely any stronger than himself from Resurrection F.

3) Merged Zamasu would have lost even quicker as Gogeta is the more serious fusion.

4) Super Saiyan Kid Gohan vs. Lord Slug (Youth Restored).

1) If GT Goku has his tail, the two of them combined can win. However, without his tail they would get beaten.

2) Personally I think he improved a good deal, around 40% stronger.

3) But Gogeta wouldn't have the time to defeat him as if he uses too much power his fusion will end even quicker.

4) Kid Gohan should win easily, his power level as a Super Saiyan would be over 50 million, whereas Lord Slug most likely can't even approach 10 million.

1) What if both Gokus had tails in the fight?

2) Perhaps the rates of improvement drops considerably for those who they obtain Godly Ki?

3) I would have this fight take place in the Dragon Ball GT Timeline, one in where things are fair.

4) Vegito Blue vs. Final Form Mira.

[TheUltimateNinja]

1) What if both Gokus had tails in the fight?

2) Perhaps the rates of improvement drops considerably for one when they obtain Godly Ki?

3) I would have this fight take place in the Dragon Ball GT Timeline, one in where things are fair.

4) Vegito Blue vs. Final Form Mira.

1) In that case Janemba is screwed.

3) If SSBlue Gogeta has 15 minutes like in GT, then he can win, but Zamasu is immortal so he won't die.

4) Mira gets one-shotted. Even Goku can defeat him.

[Steven Bloodriver]

1) What if both Gokus had tails in the fight?

2) Perhaps the rates of improvement drops considerably for one when they obtain Godly Ki?

3) I would have this fight take place in the Dragon Ball GT Timeline, one in where things are fair.

4) Vegito Blue vs. Final Form Mira.

1) In that case Janemba is screwed.

3) If SSBlue Gogeta has 15 minutes like in GT, then he can win, but Zamasu is immortal so he won't die.

4) Mira gets one-shotted. Even Goku can defeat him.

1) Super Saiyan Blue Little Goku (GT) vs. Omega Shenron.

2) A powerful enough Stardust Breaker would be enough to end the Ethereal Merged Zamasu.

3) Vegito Blue vs. Beerus and Champa.

4) Masked Saiyan vs. Present Zamasu.

[TheUltimateNinja]

1) Super Saiyan Blue Little Goku (GT) vs. Omega Shenron.

2) A powerful enough Stardust Breaker would be enough to end the Ethereal Merged Zamasu.

3) Vegito Blue vs. Beerus and Champa.

4) Masked Saiyan vs. Present Zamasu.

1) Omega Shenron gets erased in one shot.

3) Beerus can win by himself.

4) Probably Present Zamasu. But Bardock's feats in the game are totally inconsistent so we don't really know.

[dragonball0900]

I have SSJ Blue Vegito surpassing Beerus. We did saw how big of an increase the fusion was to Goku and Vegeta back in the Buu saga, even though we don't know how strong Beerus really is, but it should be a good fight.

[Anime Kitten]

Mira gets one-shotted. Even Goku can defeat him.

What? Goku was using his full power alongside the Future Warrior, who was also using full power. Mira wasn't struggling at all.

[Zamasu55]

I have the Base Saiyans in the Buu arc stronger than Piccolo, with the reasons stated thorughout the manga.
In order to make it sense it's that I have the SSJ multipliers get smaller, for example in the Frieza saga it was a X50, but after all the training they had through the series, with the new transformations and getting used to them, I found it hard to believe the SSJ multiplier stated at X50 all the time, maybe it's now a X5, or even a X2.5 or X3.
I still believe that A18 can defeat Pui Pui.

Base Goku (BOG) can't beat 100% Namek Frieza, according to Beerus.
Pui Pui is trash.

[Zamasu55]

SSJ2 Vegetto vs Ultra Full Power Saiyan 4 Goku and SSJ4 Vegeta.

SSBlue Kaioken x10 Goku (Current) Vs SSBlue Vegetto (Resurrection F)

1. Ssj4 Goku (Baby saga) >>> Super Baby Vegeta 2 >> Super Baby Vegeta 1 > Ssj Vegito.
Ssj2 Vegito is probably between Super Baby Vegeta 1 and 2.

2. Vegito, of course.

3) Super Perfect Cell (if he had regenerated from the Father-Son Kamehameha) vs. Majin Vegeta.

4) Super Gogeta (Fusion Reborn) vs. Baby Vegeta (Super Saiyan).

5) Super Saiyan Blue Teen Gohan (Cell Games Saga) and GT Super Saiyan Blue Bulla vs. Hit.

6) Super Saiyan Blue Gogeta (GT) vs. Merged Zamasu.

7) Super Saiyan Kid Gohan (Frieza Saga) vs. Turles.

1. Probably Cell.
2. I think Ssj Gogeta is slightly stronger than Baby.
4. Since I firmly believe Supr > GT, I don't think SsjB Gogeta would stand a chance.
5. No need to be a Super Saiyan here, if Gohan gets angry, Turles is done for.

I have SSJ Blue Vegito surpassing Beerus. We did saw how big of an increase the fusion was to Goku and Vegeta back in the Buu saga, even though we don't know how strong Beerus really is, but it should be a good fight.

Point is, Beerus's recent feats ("He can destroy everything", by Whis) make him capable of erasing Vegito easily.

What? Goku was using his full power alongside the Future Warrior, who was also using full power. Mira wasn't struggling at all.

It was still ROF saga SsjB Goku, and Mira lost anyway. He's probably around Golden Frieza tier.

[Anime Kitten]

It was still ROF saga SsjB Goku, and Mira lost anyway. He's probably around Golden Frieza tier.

The Future Warrior was more or less equal to ROF SSJB Goku, and Mira was fighting on par with both of them. He's definitely higher than Golden Freeza, from what I gathered. Also considering Golden Freeza was the previous antagonist in the game's story. But that's just what I think, of course.

[dragonball0900]

I have the Base Saiyans in the Buu arc stronger than Piccolo, with the reasons stated thorughout the manga.
In order to make it sense it's that I have the SSJ multipliers get smaller, for example in the Frieza saga it was a X50, but after all the training they had through the series, with the new transformations and getting used to them, I found it hard to believe the SSJ multiplier stated at X50 all the time, maybe it's now a X5, or even a X2.5 or X3.
I still believe that A18 can defeat Pui Pui.

Base Goku (BOG) can't beat 100% Namek Frieza, according to Beerus.
Pui Pui is trash.

Goku was probably supressed while fighting Beerus. Just watch the Buu saga and you'll see why Base Saiyans are stronger than we think.

I have SSJ Blue Vegito surpassing Beerus. We did saw how big of an increase the fusion was to Goku and Vegeta back in the Buu saga, even though we don't know how strong Beerus really is, but it should be a good fight.

Point is, Beerus's recent feats ("He can destroy everything", by Whis) make him capable of erasing Vegito easily.

Well that's up to anyone's interpretation really. We are not sure if Vegito didn't surpass Beerus or viceversa. Beerus was never present alongside Vegito, so we don't know if in a fight who would win, but with the way the fusion is and how it adds a lot of power like we witnissed in the Buu arc, I have SSJ Blue Vegito winning this.

[TheUltimateNinja]

Mira gets one-shotted. Even Goku can defeat him.

What? Goku was using his full power alongside the Future Warrior, who was also using full power. Mira wasn't struggling at all.

Current Goku is much stronger than he is in the game, the gap between RoF Goku and Goku towards the end of the FT Arc is huge, he didn't even have the Kaioken back then.

SSJ2 Vegetto vs Ultra Full Power Saiyan 4 Goku and SSJ4 Vegeta.

SSBlue Kaioken x10 Goku (Current) Vs SSBlue Vegetto (Resurrection F)

1. Ssj4 Goku (Baby saga) >>> Super Baby Vegeta 2 >> Super Baby Vegeta 1 > Ssj Vegito.
Ssj2 Vegito is probably between Super Baby Vegeta 1 and 2.

2. Vegito, of course.

1: We don't know if Baby Vegeta is actually stronger than Super Vegetto, Goku said it was the highest ki he'd ever felt but that only indicates he's above Buuhan as characters don't include themselves when talking about the highest ki they've felt.

2: Really? Fusion has been nerfed pretty badly in Super and Current Goku is over twice as strong as he was back then, and I don't think Vegetto is over 20x stronger than Goku.

[Angelus]

Manga Buu Arc Chiaotzu VS Guru unlocked Roshi (manga DBZ only; exclude all BoG/FnF/DBS feats)-- No flying

23rd WMAT Chiaotzu VS 22nd WMAT Roshi-- No flying

[DanielSSJ]

Manga Buu Arc Chiaotzu VS Guru unlocked Roshi (manga DBZ only; exclude all BoG/FnF/DBS feats)-- No flying

23rd WMAT Chiaotzu VS 22nd WMAT Roshi-- No flying

- At his advanced age and considerably lower battle power, I can't imagine that the Muten Roshi's dormant power would be all that impressive compared to the Earthling warriors by the time of the Boo arc, Chiaotzu included. Even if he gets the same total power boost Kuririn got (going from roughly 1,500 to 75,000 over an extended period of time), the old timer doesn't even break the 10,000 battle power mark. Even by my most conservative estimations, Chiaotzu is at least twice as strong as the Muten Roshi by the time of the Boo arc. If we were to include his performance in Resurrection F, it might be a different story...

- By the time of the 23rd Budokai, Muten Roshi clearly states that the younger generation has surpassed him completely. Granted, Chiaotzu had been hospitalized by that time, but even if he hadn't surpassed the Turtle Hermit in raw power, he should be close enough that his psychic abilities would do the trick.

[apex_pretador]

Hey man . Sup ??


Ok .

Freeza Saga Base Vegito [Post SSj Base Goku and Final Zenkai Vegeta] vs Perfect Cell [Full Power] .... and then the same Vegito as SSj vs Super Perfect Cell

I see, you got your way here.

ya .. Hows everything there at CV ?

Supreme Kai vs Final Form Freeza 100% [Freeza Saga]

I don't buy kaioshin being definitely stronger than piccolo, but he did say that he can one-shot freeza.

Wait ... when did Kaioshin say he can one shot Freeza ???


New battles ........................

Pui Pui vs #18 [no 10x gravity planet]

Perfect Cell vs Zamasu [Equal stats , Cell can regen but at the cost of ki ]

Champa Arc Hit vs Post Zamasu Arc SSB Vegeta [Vegeta can counter Time Skip like Goku did]

I just made a thread about year-end awards for2016 CBMs (best movie, best debut etc). You should check it out.

Kaioshin said he can one-shot the one "you call freeza" when he read vegeta's mind.


#18 one-shots easily.

Close battle, can go either way. Vegeta has a big raw power advantage, but hit was giving KKx10 goku issues, and he was still not showing his greatest techniques.

Not really. Beerus is a universe-ender. Superman p1m needed a GL ring to beat a weakened solaris. 15,000 years into sun can only take you so far.

He can stop universes from collapsing as shown when he rescued the Atom.

Nowhere is it implied that he can, infact he stated he couldn't. Even if he could, how is this useful in combat? It could be one of his special abilities he gained during his training in the universe and even if it is not, it still is inferior to beers. Because beerus actually saved the universe+afterlife+otherworld+kaioshin realm from collapsing on panel.

Manga Buu Arc Chiaotzu VS Guru unlocked Roshi (manga DBZ only; exclude all BoG/FnF/DBS feats)-- No flying

23rd WMAT Chiaotzu VS 22nd WMAT Roshi-- No flying

Chiaotzu wins. There is nothing to indicate that roshi would be above guldo, who chiaotzu beat (I do include this filler)

23rdWMAT chiaotzu is hard to place. I put him below 23rd WMAT roshi but above 22nd WMAT roshi. Chiaotzu wins.

[TheUltimateNinja]

Manga Buu Arc Chiaotzu VS Guru unlocked Roshi (manga DBZ only; exclude all BoG/FnF/DBS feats)-- No flying

23rd WMAT Chiaotzu VS 22nd WMAT Roshi-- No flying

-Assuming Roshi gets a 50x boost like Kuririn did, his power should reach about 7,000 or so, and in Max Power mode it should be well over 10,000. Roshi should win without too much difficulty, especially if he can land a Kamehameha.

-Roshi should win this too, he did say the younger generation surpassed him but Chiaotzu wasn't there at the time, also Chiaotzu is a scrub.

[Polyphase Avatron]

Nowhere is it implied that he can, infact he stated he couldn't.

Wrong. It was stated that it happened too quickly for him to react and stop it in time, implying he could if he had more notice.

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Even if he could, how is this useful in combat?

Like I said already, it means he can negate a universe-ending force.

It could be one of his special abilities he gained during his training in the universe and even if it is not, it still is inferior to beers. Because beerus actually saved the universe+afterlife+otherworld+kaioshin realm from collapsing on panel.

There are two points here, firstly you don't know that the Other World and such are any bigger than the Atom's universe, and secondly, Beerus and Goku's combined power was going to wipe out all of the planets and stars in the universe and leave it empty, but the Atom's universe was devoured by a singularity that ate all of space and time in it, which is a lot more destructive.

[apex_pretador]

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It could be that he has ways to deal with such problems, not necessarily a universal energy manipulation. But still, beerus also possesses universal energy manipulation. There is nothing to prove that he can manipulate universal energies OF A UNIVERSAL ENERGY MANIPULATOR himself.

[dragonball0900]

Manga Buu Arc Chiaotzu VS Guru unlocked Roshi (manga DBZ only; exclude all BoG/FnF/DBS feats)-- No flying

23rd WMAT Chiaotzu VS 22nd WMAT Roshi-- No flying

I have Chiaotzu winning on both rounds. The first because I believe by the Buu Saga, (and I'm obviously in the minority here ) Chiatozu could have at least get around maybe First Form Frieza (I have Krillin and Tien from the Cell Saga somewhere around 2nd Form Frieza, by the way), while Roshi with his potential unlocked I don't think he could get to that. If Krillin got from around 2000 to 75000, Master Roshi at least could get from 139 to just 5000.
As for the second one, well, Roshi did say on the 23 WMAT that it would no use participating, and yet the others were. Also Chiaotzu has his special psychics powers. I have both of them equal, with Chiaotzu just a bit stronger.

[Polyphase Avatron]

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It could be that he has ways to deal with such problems, not necessarily a universal energy manipulation.

Like what? Sounds like speculation to me, and in violation of Occam's Razor.

But still, beerus also possesses universal energy manipulation. There is nothing to prove that he can manipulate universal energies OF A UNIVERSAL ENERGY MANIPULATOR himself.

Beerus was visibly exhausted after cancelling his attack. SMP indicated he could have done it casually. Also as I pointed out, the destruction of the Atom's universe was a lot more complete than what Rou Kaioshin was speaking about.

Although I admit there is really not enough evidence to argue this solidly either way, so why don't we just agree to disagree? Both of us have valid perspectives.

[Hellspawn28]

Some "out of town" work for Hit, he's contacted and hired by someone from another dimension. His mission, Kill the Avengers. After studying some basic files on his targets, Hit plans out the hits as such...

Hit VS Black Widow, Black Panther, Hawkeye and Falcon

Hit VS Captain America, Luke Cage and Spider-Woman

Hit VS Hank Pym and Wasp

Hit VS Scarlet Witch and Vision

Hit vs Ironman

Hit VS Captain Marvel (Carol Danver)

Hit VS Thor

Bonus Hit VS The Hulk

Hit would probably beat the whole team. The only ones who have a chance on beating him are HoM Scarlet Witch and possibly Rune King Thor