Cutting Blacks Fingers Off

[Dragonball Black]

This would have sent Black back to his timeline and they would have only had to deal with Immortal Zamasu.
Just a thought.

[Fionordequester]

Eh...that seems a bit too meta for something that would ever happen in a shonen series for kids. If one were to start applying real world logic to the martial arts in this show...it would be a completely different show.

Vegeta vs. Kaioken x3 Goku, for example, would have been a HECK of a lot shorter and simpler. All Goku would have had to do was...

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a) Snap Vegeta's neck (easy to do with his overwhelming speed)

b) Break Vegeta's spine (...although, he DID do that with Nappa, right? Kind of odd that he didn't do it with Vegeta then...)

c) Give him one hard punch to the throat

d) Gouge out his eyes (if he was looking for an alternate way to cripple Vegeta or Nappa)

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But no, instead, Goku chose to pinball him around the battlefield with blunt trauma. That was quite literally the WORST thing he could have done if he was trying to end the fight quickly...but it's a shonen cartoon series. You're not generally going to get the kind of violent, hyper-realistic fighting that would involve stuff like what I just described; you're going to get two superhuman dudes punching the man meat out of each other while monologuing about their life philosophies. Cutting off fingers seems like the kind of thing that would resemble real life violence too much.

[ekrolo2]

Eh...that seems a bit too meta for something that would ever happen in a shonen series for kids. If one were to start applying real world logic to the martial arts in this show...it would be a completely different show.

Vegeta vs. Kaioken x3 Goku, for example, would have been a HECK of a lot shorter and simpler. All Goku would have had to do was...

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a) Snap Vegeta's neck (easy to do with his overwhelming speed)

b) Break Vegeta's spine (...although, he DID do that with Nappa, right? Kind of odd that he didn't do it with Vegeta then...)

c) Give him one hard punch to the throat

d) Gouge out his eyes (if he was looking for an alternate way to cripple Vegeta or Nappa)

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But no, instead, Goku chose to pinball him around the battlefield with blunt trauma. That was quite literally the WORST thing he could have done if he was trying to end the fight quickly...but it's a shonen cartoon series. You're not generally going to get the kind of violent, hyper-realistic fighting that would involve stuff like what I just described; you're going to get two superhuman dudes punching the man meat out of each other while monologuing about their life philosophies instead.

The thing is, Goku is established as getting a sick kick out of fighting Vegeta during the battle from the narration, that's precisely why he begs for Krillin not to murder him. With Black? Goku and Vegeta aren't in the mood for dicking around and Trunks is NEVER in the mood for it. He's the pragmatic one of the lot and its REALLY odd that he doesn't try to cut off Black's fingers or arm, especially since he's the fucker with a sword! Vegetto too, he's completely dedicated to getting rid of Zamasu and could've destroyed the Time Ring too but doesn't because shut up, Super's shit tier writing demands this.

[Dragonball Black]

I'm now thinking that the only person who had a chance to cut his fingers off is Vegito. I don't think Trunks Sword could have cut through even the Black from the beginning of the series. Vegito gets a sick kick in fighting like Goku and is a show off. By the time Trunks got the Spirit sword he cut that fucker in half so Trunks is definetly the most pragmatic of the bunch.

[kinisking]

Eh...that seems a bit too meta for something that would ever happen in a shonen series for kids. If one were to start applying real world logic to the martial arts in this show...it would be a completely different show.

Vegeta vs. Kaioken x3 Goku, for example, would have been a HECK of a lot shorter and simpler. All Goku would have had to do was...

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a) Snap Vegeta's neck (easy to do with his overwhelming speed)

b) Break Vegeta's spine (...although, he DID do that with Nappa, right? Kind of odd that he didn't do it with Vegeta then...)

c) Give him one hard punch to the throat

d) Gouge out his eyes (if he was looking for an alternate way to cripple Vegeta or Nappa)

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But no, instead, Goku chose to pinball him around the battlefield with blunt trauma. That was quite literally the WORST thing he could have done if he was trying to end the fight quickly...but it's a shonen cartoon series. You're not generally going to get the kind of violent, hyper-realistic fighting that would involve stuff like what I just described; you're going to get two superhuman dudes punching the man meat out of each other while monologuing about their life philosophies instead.

The thing is, Goku is established as getting a sick kick out of fighting Vegeta during the battle from the narration, that's precisely why he begs for Krillin not to murder him. With Black? Goku and Vegeta aren't in the mood for dicking around and Trunks is NEVER in the mood for it. He's the pragmatic one of the lot and its REALLY odd that he doesn't try to cut off Black's fingers or arm, especially since he's the fucker with a sword! Vegetto too, he's completely dedicated to getting rid of Zamasu and could've destroyed the Time Ring too but doesn't because shut up, Super's shit tier writing demands this.

It has less to do with super's "shit-tier" writing and more to do with the fact that that's way to brutal to be shown. Notice how only Piccolo loses his arm on-screen in the series? It's because as an alien he's less relatable to the kids. Plus, he can grow it back anyways.

[ekrolo2]

It has less to do with super's "shit-tier" writing and more to do with the fact that that's way to brutal to be shown. Notice how only Piccolo loses his arm on-screen in the series? It's because as an alien he's less relatable to the kids. Plus, he can grow it back anyways.

Is it too brutal? We see guys get stabbed and blasted through the chest fine enough, I'm pretty sure vaporizing Black's hand isn't too gory for people. It just seems odd that Black so blatantly says "Destroy this thing and I'm fucked!" and no one thinks to attack it, you don't even have to show them cut his arm off, a simple ki blast breaking the ring would suffice.

[Dragonball Black]

It has less to do with super's "shit-tier" writing and more to do with the fact that that's way to brutal to be shown. Notice how only Piccolo loses his arm on-screen in the series? It's because as an alien he's less relatable to the kids. Plus, he can grow it back anyways.

Is it too brutal? We see guys get stabbed and blasted through the chest fine enough, I'm pretty sure vaporizing Black's hand isn't too gory for people. It just seems odd that Black so blatantly says "Destroy this thing and I'm fucked!" and no one thinks to attack it, you don't even have to show them cut his arm off, a simple ki blast breaking the ring would suffice.

Agreed. You could vaporize his hand, or even cut it off seeing as how Tien lost his arm in the Saiyan saga. I'm hoping Super goes in a more brutal direction.

[Boo Machine]

Super is a lot less brutal than any other Dragonaball series. Goku may get stabed and blasted through but it barely shows. So it doesn't surprise me that they avoid hand chopping.

Also it kind of becomes a question of how they can even pull of destroying his hand or ring. It's not like Black is just going to hold out his hand like a huge target and even when he does it's usually covered with his Ki blade. Clothes barely get ripped as well so I imagine a ring might be hard even if they could hit it.

Also if someone REALLY wanted to nitpick then I guess one could argue that Black never said that the ring ties him to this reality and that destroying it would make him vanish. Didn't he just say the ring keep him protected from anything that happens to him in the past? Not saying destroying the ring wouldn't have an effect, but they never really make a huge point of it except to explain why Black is still around.

[Yomi]

Only piccolo gets his arm ripped off in every arc, lol.
At some point I started to say "welp he's namekian, that's why these villains keep attacking his arms for some reason"

[Nejishiki]

While Goku Black claimed changes to the alternate past wouldn't affect him, the narrative doesn't solidly support the notion that removing his Time Ring would do anything to him in the "present future". I'd think it would be brought attention by someone if that were a legitimate option.

[SansrivaaL]

I also feel like it wouldnt do anything since the ring already did its purpose of negating the stuffs that should have happened to him after Beerus killed his other (paradox) self.
I doubt Black would have told them that if he needed the ring in good shape, even if that were the case I guess he was just confident that Goku and Vegeta wouldnt go for his ring due to pride stuff, I mean they only fused because their enemy fused as well, I'm convinced that no matter what their enemies would do to them they would not resort to tricks like that, Trunks is another story but I'm sure Black just thought he wouldnt need to guard himself from Trunks.

[GodKaio-Ken]

It never says losing the ring would bring him back in time or erase him if I'm not mistaken. I took what he said to mean thanks to the time ring he left his own reality and was unaffected by the splitting timeline.


In fact they even confirmed Beerus created a new timeline where Black was alive. Once the timeline split nothing done to the time ring mattered IMO.

[Khin]

Super is a lot less brutal than any other Dragonaball series. Goku may get stabed and blasted through but it barely shows. So it doesn't surprise me that they avoid hand chopping.

I really don't see how chopping a mere finger is any more brutal than Trunks slicing Zamasu in half through the crotch (Even though the blood was censored).

[Kunzait_83]

But no, instead, Goku chose to pinball him around the battlefield with blunt trauma. That was quite literally the WORST thing he could have done if he was trying to end the fight quickly...but it's a shonen cartoon series. You're not generally going to get the kind of violent, hyper-realistic fighting that would involve stuff like what I just described; you're going to get two superhuman dudes punching the man meat out of each other while monologuing about their life philosophies. Cutting off fingers seems like the kind of thing that would resemble real life violence too much.

Ahem.





Shonen ladies and gentlemen.

[Fionordequester]

Ahem.





Shonen ladies and gentlemen.

Yeah; and that was made in like, 1983. That's more than 30 years ago; besides, the action there was offset by just how ridiculous it was. Getting squeemish over most of the scenes in that anime, outside of a few legitimately horrifying moments, would have been like getting squeemish over a Tom & Jerry cartoon.

[Fionordequester]

Ahem.





Shonen ladies and gentlemen.

Huh...ok. But wasn't that made in 1983? More than 30 years ago? Times have changed since then.

[Kunzait_83]

Yeah; and that was made in like, 1983. That's more than 30 years ago;

First one's from Fist of the North Star, which yeah is early 80s. Second one though is from Baoh, which is from 1989: the same exact year as the Goku vs Vegeta fight you were referencing just before.

I more than get that Shonen isn't at all the same thing that it was in the 70s, 80s, and even the early half of the 90s: but the point is that its not exactly like brutality of this sort is completely 100% foreign and unthinkable within this realm of media. Both the above examples, old as they are, were Weekly Shonen Jump series. Both were direct contemporaries to DB during part of its original run within the same fucking magazine.

besides, the action there was offset by just how ridiculous it was. Getting squeemish over most of the scenes in that anime, outside of a few legitimately horrifying moments, would have been like getting squeemish over a Tom & Jerry cartoon.

You'd be astounded at how absurdly squeamish some people are: particularly in this very community here.

[Fionordequester]

Huh...interesting. Well shoot, why DIDN'T Goku smash Vegeta's spine then?! That'd have ended things right quick !