Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

[Hugo Boss]

Do you guys suppose Goku could beat Merged Zamasu by himself if he could maintain the Kaioken x10 indefinitely with no ki drain or side effects?

I doubt. I suppose merging with Vegeta makes Goku dozens of times stronger and even by doing so he was still struggling against Zamasu. So, tenfold kaioken would still be outmatched.

[Bullza]

If Hit does kill Goku does that put him above Black? Obviously we haven't seen what happened yet but Goku does use the Super Saiyan Blue form. Black wasn't able to do the job afterall. Neither did Merged Zamasu though actually.

[Khin]

Goku (While in Kaio-ken x10) flat out said that Hit could've kill him if he use his assassination techniques. Initial Merged Zamasu was the only person to be implied to have surpassed Goku back then. So I really don't understand why people think Hit is inferior to Black.

Also, 6 months has already passed since the tournament, so there's a chance that Hit got stronger than before.

Do you guys suppose Goku could beat Merged Zamasu by himself if he could maintain the Kaioken x10 indefinitely with no ki drain or side effects?

In my mind. Goku would need Kaio-ken x20 to do the same, or even more damage to Zamasu that he did. That Kamehameha must've multiplied his power many times. Unless you think Goku magically got stronger than everyone, and that also surpassed his previous level against Hit when he used Kaio-ken x10.

Considering half his body was destroyed. Merged Zamasu probably got weaker after he got hit by Goku's attack, hence why Goku overpowered him with just regular Kaio-ken. There's also the fact that Zamasu at time was like ''WTF just happened?'' so his guard was probably down as well (I'm referring to when regular Blue Goku took him for a few seconds for this).

No issues regarding the main fight. Though I would vastly prefer it if Goku used Kaio-ken x20 in the clash as a callback to when he used x4 against Vegeta than just a regular Kamehameha.

[HeroR]

Goku (While in Kaio-ken x10) flat out said that Hit could've kill him if he use his assassination techniques. Initial Merged Zamasu was the only person to be implied to have surpassed Goku back then. So I really don't understand why people think Hit is inferior to Black.

Also, 6 months has already passed since the tournament, so there's a chance that Hit got stronger than before.

Do you guys suppose Goku could beat Merged Zamasu by himself if he could maintain the Kaioken x10 indefinitely with no ki drain or side effects?

In my mind. Goku would need Kaio-ken x20 to do the same, or even more damage to Zamasu that he did. That Kamehameha must've multiplied his power many times. Unless you think Goku magically got stronger than everyone, and that also surpassed his previous level against Hit when he used Kaio-ken x10.

Considering half his body was destroyed. Merged Zamasu probably got weaker after he got hit by Goku's attack, hence why Goku overpowered him with just regular Kaio-ken. There's also the fact that Zamasu at time was like ''WTF just happened?'' so his guard was probably down as well (I'm referring to when regular Blue Goku took him for a few seconds for this).

No issues regarding the main fight. Though I would vastly prefer it if Goku used Kaio-ken x20 in the clash as a callback to when he used x4 against Vegeta than just a regular Kamehameha.

Goku said Hit might have killed him, not that he outright could. Black also could've killed Goku several times, but he was saved by his friends and he was clearly superior to Goku. Black also fought several people at once, who were within power range of him, unlike Hit who looks like he used a sneak attack that probably didn't kill Goku going by the summary for episode 72.

[Khin]

Goku said Hit might have killed him, not that he outright could. Black also could've killed Goku several times, but he was saved by his friends and he was clearly superior to Goku. Black also fought several people at once, who were within power range of him, unlike Hit who looks like he used a sneak attack that probably didn't kill Goku going by the summary for episode 72.

Black can kill Super Saiyan Blue Goku, but can he kill Kaio-ken x10 Goku ? That's the crux here. There are several instance where Black beats the shit out of Goku, but so was Hit, who did it in like 0.5 seconds. That was prior to his final improvement while at the same time holding back his assassination techniques.

Hit was implied to be capable of killing Kaio-ken x10 Goku. Black in his final power-up was implied to be stronger than Super Saiyan Blue Goku, but we never got any indication that Black can kill SSBKK Goku. In fact, Merged Zamasu is the only one to have surpassed Goku's level back then.

[HeroR]

Goku said Hit might have killed him, not that he outright could. Black also could've killed Goku several times, but he was saved by his friends and he was clearly superior to Goku. Black also fought several people at once, who were within power range of him, unlike Hit who looks like he used a sneak attack that probably didn't kill Goku going by the summary for episode 72.

Black can kill Super Saiyan Blue Goku, but can he kill Kaio-ken x10 Goku ? That's the crux here. There are several instance where Black beats the shit out of Goku, but so was Hit, who did it in like 0.5 seconds. That was prior to his final improvement while at the same time holding back his assassination techniques.

Hit was implied to be capable of killing Kaio-ken x10 Goku. Black in his final power-up was implied to be stronger than Super Saiyan Blue Goku, but we never got any indication that Black can kill SSBKK Goku. In fact, Merged Zamasu is the only one to have surpassed Goku's level back then.

Giving how Black improved, he probably could and Hit didn't really withstand Kaio-ken x10 either. He time-skipped and got the hell out of the way after Goku's first combo. Hit only beat up Goku even as a Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan thanks to his time-skip improvement. Before then, Goku was destroying him and could have won the match right there. And you really can't count Hit's assassin techniques because we never saw them and Goku was confidence that they wouldn't prove to be a problem since he asked for the death rules to be removed and told Hit that he would never touch him.

The absent of evident isn't evidences. Meaning you can't say that Black couldn't withstand a Kaio-ken x10 based on the fact we never saw it, just as we can't saw Hit would win against Goku based on his assassination techniques because we never saw them.

[Khin]

Giving how Black improved, he probably could and Hit didn't really withstand Kaio-ken x10 either. He time-skipped and got the hell out of the way after Goku's first combo. Hit only beat up Goku even as a Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan thanks to his time-skip improvement. Before then, Goku was destroying him and could have won the match right there. And you really can't count Hit's assassin techniques because we never saw them and Goku was confidence that they wouldn't prove to be a problem since he asked for the death rules to be removed and told Hit that he would never touch him.

The absent of evident isn't evidences. Meaning you can't say that Black couldn't withstand a Kaio-ken x10 based on the fact we never saw it, just as we can't saw Hit would win against Goku based on his assassination techniques because we never saw them.

Why does it matter if Hit is only winning because of the his time-skip ? Hit still destroyed Goku with just 0.5 time-skip until Goku used Kaio-ken. Goku admitted that the last blow might have kill him if Hit went all out. And for the record, Goku never said Hit would never touch him. He just said that Hit's next attack would no longer connect, that doesn't change what was said earlier about Hit almost killing Goku.

Goku asking to ditch the no-killing rule doesn't mean he was confident he can win (I'm not saying he wasn't). He just thought it was unfair because Hit wouldn't be able to go all out as long as that rule applies.

Likewise, I'm not saying Black can't withstand Kaio-ken x10 Goku. I'm saying there's no evidence or implication to suggest that Black can beat that SSBKK Goku and Hit.

[TheUltimateNinja]

Probably not no. Didn't Gowasu say they needed a higher power to fighter Zamasu?

But if Goku used the Kaioken x10 at that time his power would undoubtedly be the highest in existence besides the Gods like Beerus and co., so that may have been enough. Sure, Zamasu powered up after he got wrecked by Goku, but Goku was exhausted and injured back then so even if Zamasu multiplied his power tenfold, a fresh Goku with a limitless Kaioken x10 should still be able to win.

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That would put Goku Kaioken x10 above Vegetto.

No, just no.

Do you guys suppose Goku could beat Merged Zamasu by himself if he could maintain the Kaioken x10 indefinitely with no ki drain or side effects?

I doubt. I suppose merging with Vegeta makes Goku dozens of times stronger and even by doing so he was still struggling against Zamasu. So, tenfold kaioken would still be outmatched.

But fusion is clearly much weaker than it was back in Z, so we don't know how strong Vegetto is right now. He very well may be Goku + Vegeta x5 in which case he would indeed be below Kaioken x10 Goku as Vegeta is slightly weaker.

Do you guys suppose Goku could beat Merged Zamasu by himself if he could maintain the Kaioken x10 indefinitely with no ki drain or side effects?

In my mind. Goku would need Kaio-ken x20 to do the same, or even more damage to Zamasu that he did. That Kamehameha must've multiplied his power many times. Unless you think Goku magically got stronger than everyone, and that also surpassed his previous level against Hit when he used Kaio-ken x10.

Considering half his body was destroyed. Merged Zamasu probably got weaker after he got hit by Goku's attack, hence why Goku overpowered him with just regular Kaio-ken. There's also the fact that Zamasu at time was like ''WTF just happened?'' so his guard was probably down as well (I'm referring to when regular Blue Goku took him for a few seconds for this).

No issues regarding the main fight. Though I would vastly prefer it if Goku used Kaio-ken x20 in the clash as a callback to when he used x4 against Vegeta than just a regular Kamehameha.

There's no need for him to become several times stronger or surpass Kaioken x10 to overpower Zamasu with that Kamehameha, he just has to put out more power than Vegeta and Trunks who were able to stall Zamasu's attack. In terms of numbers I have Goku at 4, Vegeta at 3.5 and Trunks at 2.5, and Vegeta + Trunks is 6, so Goku would need only a 50%+ boost to surpass that. Goku was able to achieve this even without the use of Kaioken, so even with just a regular Kaioken he probably would have heavily damaged Merged Zamasu and instantly shattered his halo.

With Kaioken x10 it'd probably be like the Final Kamehameha Vegetto used against Merged Zamasu which killed his mortal half, so Goku probably could have killed Black immediately if he wanted to.

[Khin]

There's no need for him to become several times stronger or surpass Kaioken x10 to overpower Zamasu with that Kamehameha, he just has to put out more power than Vegeta and Trunks who were able to stall Zamasu's attack. In terms of numbers I have Goku at 4, Vegeta at 3.5 and Trunks at 2.5, and Vegeta + Trunks is 6, so Goku would need only a 50%+ boost to surpass that. Goku was able to achieve this even without the use of Kaioken, so even with just a regular Kaioken he probably would have heavily damaged Merged Zamasu and instantly shattered his halo.

With Kaioken x10 it'd probably be like the Final Kamehameha Vegetto used against Merged Zamasu which killed his mortal half, so Goku probably could have killed Black immediately if he wanted to.

Initially, Merged Zamasu was implied to be stronger than SSBKK Goku. For Goku's Kamehameha to overpower Zamasu, he would need to be more stronger than he was back then, unless Zamasu got weaker after Trunks and Vegeta's combined Gyarik-ho (Which is unlikely), or Goku's Kamehameha was only able to pierce the attack because Zamasu's big ass sphere has a density much smaller than Goku's Kamehameha.

I like to think that a clash between Zamasu and Goku if the latter used Kaio-ken x10 will be the same as the clash between Vegeta and Kaio-ken x3 Goku in the Saiyan Arc, but that's just me.

[KingTimothy98]

After Whis trained Goku and Vegeta in the ROF arc they surpassed EP 14 Goku in their base forms

After about half a year passes from the fight Goku had with Beerus in which he had surpassed Super Saiyan God and constantly evolved

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Goku went to join Vegeta who had been training with Whis within this time frame

Vegeta at this point not only reached Gokus level of power but he also likely surpassed him.

He also reached the level of power where one needs to be at to sense god ki without being a god or in god form

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After Goku's arrival they move onto what seems to be training, and a part of what was Vegeta's common routine while with Whis

This was changing Beerus' sheets while he slept while dealing with being occasionally attacked by a sleeping Beerus, who cant suppress himself

Now this does not mean these were full power attacks, they were just unrestrained

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They then move onto the real training which involves carrying weights with the risk of being thrown into another dimension then teleported to Beerus' chamber to be blasted by him as he has sleeps

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From this we know that Vegeta has been constantly dealing with unrestrained blasts from Beerus in base and this is a common part of their training.
We can also infer that zenkai is being abused here to make them stronger.


This harsh training was meant for them to raise the power of their base forms rather than their transformed state that already ascended SSG since they had just reached the level of power in which you can sense a god without being a god.

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Later in the training Whis teaches them how to manipulate their ki in a manner that seemingly evokes god ki and as a result the god form SSB

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They then master this way of manipulating ki within a seperate dimension until the fight with Freeza happened


When Goku fights Freeza, Gohan and Krillin sense Gokus new power in base form and say he's stronger than ever before, this includes him in episode 14

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They are making a direct comparison to Peak Goku against Beerus as they sensed that.
From this we know base Goku still has a ki that can be sensed by regular mortals , but this form has now too surpassed his Super Saiyan God self.

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This is supported By Gohan Krillin and Beerus himself

In episode 42 Beerus in his Monaka outfit fights Base Goku as Goku holds his own and Beerus enjoys the fight to the point where he grows excited and they appear to almost cause another clash


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A few extra feats
Base Copy Vegeta easily dominated SS3 Gotenks
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And Vegeta kills Tagoma
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Vegeta in base form destroys the ROSAT, a seperate Earth sized dimension by powering up in EP 63

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Extra Information: In Toyotaros ROF manga Base Goku is portrayed to be at this level as a result of training with Whis
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And in the BOG movie Goku is shown being near his SSG self by holding his own after fazing out of SSG
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It seems to be a common and emphasized theme that Gokus base be on this level in each version of these events
Toryama also said Goku didnt need to transform to access the SSG level of power
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Oh and btw Ep 14 Goku with what seemed like the remaining ssj power he had survived and destroyed the Sphere of Destruction
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Which was the strongest ki construct of the battle
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[TheUltimateNinja]

There's no need for him to become several times stronger or surpass Kaioken x10 to overpower Zamasu with that Kamehameha, he just has to put out more power than Vegeta and Trunks who were able to stall Zamasu's attack. In terms of numbers I have Goku at 4, Vegeta at 3.5 and Trunks at 2.5, and Vegeta + Trunks is 6, so Goku would need only a 50%+ boost to surpass that. Goku was able to achieve this even without the use of Kaioken, so even with just a regular Kaioken he probably would have heavily damaged Merged Zamasu and instantly shattered his halo.

With Kaioken x10 it'd probably be like the Final Kamehameha Vegetto used against Merged Zamasu which killed his mortal half, so Goku probably could have killed Black immediately if he wanted to.

Initially, Merged Zamasu was implied to be stronger than SSBKK Goku. For Goku's Kamehameha to overpower Zamasu, he would need to be more stronger than he was back then, unless Zamasu got weaker after Trunks and Vegeta's combined Gyarik-ho (Which is unlikely), or Goku's Kamehameha was only able to pierce the attack because Zamasu's big ass sphere has a density much smaller than Goku's Kamehameha.

I like to think that a clash between Zamasu and Goku if the latter used Kaio-ken x10 will be the same as the clash between Vegeta and Kaio-ken x3 Goku in the Saiyan Arc, but that's just me.

Goku probably could have ended Zamasu right there if he used Kaioken x10 in addition to the arms breaking Kamehameha, but unfortunately he was unable to do so because he needs time to charge up. If he did that, there would be no need for Spirit Trunks or Zeno, as once Zamasu dispels and fuses with the universe, Goku and Vegeta would be able to fuse and deal with it as Vegetto.

[DBZ Macky]

Goku probably could have ended Zamasu right there if he used Kaioken x10 in addition to the arms breaking Kamehameha

Some people here (including me) believe that one's battle power does not "stack" with other techniques when using the Kaioken. In other words, it wouldn't matter whether Goku used a generic Kamehameha or the limb sacrificial variety.

Although it is possible that the "arms breaking" Kamehameha's force would be more, even if it has the same amount of Ki as a generic Kamehameha.

What are your thoughts on this?

[HeroR]

Giving how Black improved, he probably could and Hit didn't really withstand Kaio-ken x10 either. He time-skipped and got the hell out of the way after Goku's first combo. Hit only beat up Goku even as a Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan thanks to his time-skip improvement. Before then, Goku was destroying him and could have won the match right there. And you really can't count Hit's assassin techniques because we never saw them and Goku was confidence that they wouldn't prove to be a problem since he asked for the death rules to be removed and told Hit that he would never touch him.

The absent of evident isn't evidences. Meaning you can't say that Black couldn't withstand a Kaio-ken x10 based on the fact we never saw it, just as we can't saw Hit would win against Goku based on his assassination techniques because we never saw them.

Why does it matter if Hit is only winning because of the his time-skip ? Hit still destroyed Goku with just 0.5 time-skip until Goku used Kaio-ken. Goku admitted that the last blow might have kill him if Hit went all out. And for the record, Goku never said Hit would never touch him. He just said that Hit's next attack would no longer connect, that doesn't change what was said earlier about Hit almost killing Goku.

Goku asking to ditch the no-killing rule doesn't mean he was confident he can win (I'm not saying he wasn't). He just thought it was unfair because Hit wouldn't be able to go all out as long as that rule applies.

Likewise, I'm not saying Black can't withstand Kaio-ken x10 Goku. I'm saying there's no evidence or implication to suggest that Black can beat that SSBKK Goku and Hit.

Because we're talking about power. And might doesn't mean it would have. Not connecting, not touching, both mean the same thing. The point is that Hit wasn't going to land anymore hits on him.

If Goku thought he couldn't win if the rules were removed, he would have bowed out like he did during the Cell Games. Instead, when Hit directly asked if he had a death wish, Goku said with confident that Hit won't connect anymore. So yes, he was confident that he could win until Beerus wasted his time.

There is no evident either way. Plus, Goku overall was stronger during the Future Trunks Saga than he was during the Champa Saga, which is something you also need to keep in mind.

[TheUltimateNinja]

Goku probably could have ended Zamasu right there if he used Kaioken x10 in addition to the arms breaking Kamehameha

Some people here (including me) believe that one's battle power does not "stack" with other techniques when using the Kaioken. In other words, it wouldn't matter whether Goku used a generic Kamehameha or the limb sacrificial variety.

Although it is possible that the "arms breaking" Kamehameha's force would be more, even if it has the same amount of Ki as a generic Kamehameha.

What are your thoughts on this?

Goku did not use any ki amplification techniques, yet his Kamehameha was stronger than Vegeta & Trunks' combined Galick Gun so it's clearly got a huge boost compared to the usual Kamehameha.

[Khin]

Because we're talking about power. And might doesn't mean it would have. Not connecting, not touching, both mean the same thing. The point is that Hit wasn't going to land anymore hits on him.

If Goku thought he couldn't win if the rules were removed, he would have bowed out like he did during the Cell Games. Instead, when Hit directly asked if he had a death wish, Goku said with confident that Hit won't connect anymore. So yes, he was confident that he could win until Beerus wasted his time.

There is no evident either way. Plus, Goku overall was stronger during the Future Trunks Saga than he was during the Champa Saga, which is something you also need to keep in mind.

Then I believe you misunderstood, because I'm referring to who would beat who, not who have more raw power. Hit no longer connecting his next move doesn't take away what Goku said earlier about how Hit might have kill him. The point with this Hit's assassination technique issue is not who would win between him and Goku, its that he was capable of killing Goku. Which Goku himself said. If Hit is capable of killing a guy 10x stronger than him, then why wouldn't he be able to kill a guy who's probably weaker than that ?

Goku was stronger than he was in the tournament, but we don't know how much. Seem a bit hard to believe that he would even get more than twice stronger just by fighting Hit, at best he probably got stronger just enough for him and Vegeta to notice their improvement, but not a big gain that they become way stronger than before.

The only thing we got to compare Black and Hit is how the latter stack up against SSB Goku in the tournament and his broken improvement, connecting that with how Initial Merged Zamasu is the only one who was implied to have surpassed Goku's level back then. You got Hit probably being able to murder Black.

Saying Black can kill Hit would just be disregarding above. And don't even get me started with how would Black be able to beat Hit's time-skip. He'd likely just end up like Vegeta, who had no idea what the hell is happening.

Goku probably could have ended Zamasu right there if he used Kaioken x10 in addition to the arms breaking Kamehameha, but unfortunately he was unable to do so because he needs time to charge up. If he did that, there would be no need for Spirit Trunks or Zeno, as once Zamasu dispels and fuses with the universe, Goku and Vegeta would be able to fuse and deal with it as Vegetto.

Since we completely have no idea how a hypothetical KK x10 Goku would stack up against Merged Zamasu, we can only speculate. I just like to think that a clash between them would end up similar to the KK x3 Goku vs. Vegeta in Z.

Anyway. How would Vegetto be able to deal with Soul Zamasu, who was stated to becoming one with the universe, which would possibly make him non-corporeal and intangible ? Not to mention the fact that he's immortal.

[DBZ Macky]

Goku did not use any ki amplification techniques, yet his Kamehameha was stronger than Vegeta & Trunks' combined Galick Gun so it's clearly got a huge boost compared to the usual Kamehameha.

I think you've misunderstood. I'm not saying that the Life Risking Kamehameha is as strong as a generic Kamehameha, because it's a lot stronger as you said and as we've seen.

What I'm saying is that whether Goku uses the Kamehameha, the Masenko or whatever while using the Kaioken, then all three attacks will have the same power level.

The basis for this theory is the fact that Goku at Kaioken x20 was already stronger than 50% Freeza.
So why didn't Goku's Kamehameha work when it's already a huge attack?

In short, I was specifically talking about this part of your post:

Goku probably could have ended Zamasu right there if he used Kaioken x10 in addition to the arms breaking Kamehameha

In the case that Goku uses the Kaio-ken, whether Goku uses a generic Kamehameha or the arms breaking variety, it shouldn't matter.

[TheUltimateNinja]

Goku probably could have ended Zamasu right there if he used Kaioken x10 in addition to the arms breaking Kamehameha, but unfortunately he was unable to do so because he needs time to charge up. If he did that, there would be no need for Spirit Trunks or Zeno, as once Zamasu dispels and fuses with the universe, Goku and Vegeta would be able to fuse and deal with it as Vegetto.

Since we completely have no idea how a hypothetical KK x10 Goku would stack up against Merged Zamasu, we can only speculate. I just like to think that a clash between them would end up similar to the KK x3 Goku vs. Vegeta in Z.

Anyway. How would Vegetto be able to deal with Soul Zamasu, who was stated to becoming one with the universe, which would possibly make him non-corporeal and intangible ? Not to mention the fact that he's immortal.

Goku said he and Vegeta could deal with Zamasu if they had senzus, so if they were Vegetto they most likely could have erased the Zamasu clouds before he started spreading throughout the universe.

Goku did not use any ki amplification techniques, yet his Kamehameha was stronger than Vegeta & Trunks' combined Galick Gun so it's clearly got a huge boost compared to the usual Kamehameha.

I think you've misunderstood. I'm not saying that the Life Risking Kamehameha is as strong as a generic Kamehameha, because it's a lot stronger as you said and as we've seen.

What I'm saying is that whether Goku uses the Kamehameha, the Masenko or whatever while using the Kaioken, then all three attacks will have the same power level.

The basis for this theory is the fact that Goku at Kaioken x20 was already stronger than 50% Freeza.
So why didn't Goku's Kamehameha work when it's already a huge attack?

In short, I was specifically talking about this part of your post:

Goku probably could have ended Zamasu right there if he used Kaioken x10 in addition to the arms breaking Kamehameha

In the case that Goku uses the Kaio-ken, whether Goku uses a generic Kamehameha or the arms breaking variety, it shouldn't matter.

I got what you were saying, my theory is that attacks still get amplified while Goku's using the Kaioken, it's just that the enemy can also amplify their defense. Raditz, being completely inexperienced with this sort of thing, could not do so and that's why he was surprised by Goku's power level shooting up. At the 23rd TB Piccolo was able to take a fully charged Super Kamehameha despite actually being weaker than Goku, so this definitely suggests characters can use ki for defense. Since both characters can most likely boost themselves to the same extent in most cases, proportionately it would be no different than fighting at their normal power levels.

Being modest and giving Goku's sacrificial Kamehameha a modest boost of 50% and then combining that with Kaioken x10 would give a power 15x higher than Goku's normal level, that would definitely deal massive damage to Zamasu.

[Khin]

Goku said he and Vegeta could deal with Zamasu if they had senzus, so if they were Vegetto they most likely could have erased the Zamasu clouds before he started spreading throughout the universe.

Goku didn't say he and Vegeta could deal with Zamasu. He said “if only I have a senzu'”. While it does make it seem like they could deal with Soul Zamasu if they regain their power, Zamasu is still immortal. So unless Vegetto's power overrides Super Shenlong, how would they kill Zamasu ?

It could be that Goku planned to eat a senzu (He did said he only need 1), and use Mafuba against Zamasu. After all, he didn't seem to know that they forgot the seal. Heck, he doesn't seem to know that they need the seal at all.

[TheUltimateNinja]

Goku said he and Vegeta could deal with Zamasu if they had senzus, so if they were Vegetto they most likely could have erased the Zamasu clouds before he started spreading throughout the universe.

Goku didn't say he and Vegeta could deal with Zamasu. He said “if only I have a senzu'”. While it does make it seem like they could deal with Soul Zamasu if they regain their power, Zamasu is still immortal. So unless Vegetto's power overrides Super Shenlong, how would they kill Zamasu ?

It could be that Goku planned to eat a senzu (He did said he only need 1), and use Mafuba against Zamasu. After all, he didn't seem to know that they forgot the seal. Heck, he doesn't seem to know that they need the seal at all.

While immortal, Zamasu most likely doesn't have infinite energy so if they kept beating him down he would degrade further and run out of ki, thereby rendering him inert. Then they could go back and get a seal for him.

[Khin]

While immortal, Zamasu most likely doesn't have infinite energy so if they kept beating him down he would degrade further and run out of ki, thereby rendering him inert. Then they could go back and get a seal for him.

Future Zamasu isn't shown anywhere to have gassed out or even huffing, so Goku would have no idea about him having finite energy. Likewise, Zamasu doesn't seem to have finite stamina at all, he was confident that he could kill Super Trunks even though Trunks should beat him in raw power. Not to mention that once he become one with the universe, Zamasu doesn't need to move, because he would be omnipresent.

Goku eating a senzu and using the Mafuba seems to be the most straightforward interpretation to me. Especially since they won't need to de-power Zamasu to seal him.