"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

[MathSSJ]

Reddit is going to absolutely hate this lol.
One thing I'll give Toyo credit for, is that he's making SSB look incredibly strong. In the manga, nobody has topped it's power yet in combat. God ki is still amazing in the manga, while in the anime Hit, Black, Trunks,and even Zamasu shit all over them in their god forms and made them look like average SSJs.

Not worth it at the cost of everything else.

[Chuquita]

Yeah, I like that Toyotaro kept ssjg around, but replacing rosé with regular ssj is a negative for me. Why replace it?! Was pink hair not manly enough for somebody at Shueisha? It's a monochrome manga. Nobody gets to see the color outside of the occasional colorspread anyway.

[Neon Z]

It's not just "replacing" though. Black in standard SSJ is clearly being shown to be vastly weaker than Blue, unlike Rose in the anime. We still don't know what's happening afterwards though. If they're going straight to fusion, yeah, it's a replacement in a way, but maybe we'll just get Black going Rose after getting a Zenkai due to being healed by Zamasu.

[OLKv3]

Yeah, I like that Toyotaro kept ssjg around, but replacing rosé with regular ssj is a negative for me. Why replace it?! Was pink hair not manly enough for somebody at Shueisha? It's a monochrome manga. Nobody gets to see the color outside of the occasional colorspread anyway.

Most likely because he's rushing the crap out of this arc so he can be ahead of the anime in time for the new arc. Third time the ending of an arc got rushed in the manga. This has to end next month if he wants to jump ahead of the anime, and SSR would have that take too long. So he just has Black get stomped, oh no, heal, fuse, final battle

Anime is definitely superior, logic be damned

[Chuquita]

I'm irritated for the same reason I was when blue replaced ssjg. When something I like gets replaced by something I don't like nearly as much, I'm gonna look at it negatively.

I'll give them the benefit of the doubt for now. Maybe rosé will appear next month, maybe I'm just sour that there's been barely any leaks today that I like (I like that 18 is plot relevant again and I like that Gokû isn't dead) and most of it I'm either neutral to (the big cast) or disappointed by (Another tournament?! Old Z outfits. Where's Yamcha?)

[LightBing]

What did Rosé ever accomplished in the anime? Black at that point was already implied as stronger than Goku and Vegeta. All it did was raise questions: Why it exists? How different of SSJ is it? Can the other Saiyans get it? Is it better than SSJB?
Storywise Rosé is a redundant transformation. So why wouldn't Toyotarõ remove it?

[OLKv3]

I share your irritation on both. I hate SSB and wish they just stuck with Red. Red feels pointless.

Rose wasn't redundant. It gave him the boost to continually stomp all 3 of our heroes

[TheMikado]

Yeah, I like that Toyotaro kept ssjg around, but replacing rosé with regular ssj is a negative for me. Why replace it?! Was pink hair not manly enough for somebody at Shueisha? It's a monochrome manga. Nobody gets to see the color outside of the occasional colorspread anyway.

Most likely because he's rushing the crap out of this arc so he can be ahead of the anime in time for the new arc. Third time the ending of an arc got rushed in the manga. This has to end next month if he wants to jump ahead of the anime, and SSR would have that take too long. So he just has Black get stomped, oh no, heal, fuse, final battle

Anime is definitely superior, logic be damned

All we saw were a few leaked panels taken with a potato phone... we have no idea what actually happens in the manga. Way to jump to conclusions.

[dbzfan7]

I couldn't be happier with the news today. A large group of characters and not Goku and Vegeta whipping their wieners around or at each other, no Pilaf Gang at the moment, Gohan maybe but probably not doing something, no more best buddy crap from Goku and Vegeta, and possibly no SSJ Rose as well. Pinch me cause damn what a day...if only PC wasn't screwed over on Xenoverse and it would be perfect.

[Araki]

What did Rosé ever accomplished in the anime? Black at that point was already implied as stronger than Goku and Vegeta. All it did was raise questions: Why it exists? How different of SSJ is it? Can the other Saiyans get it? Is it better than SSJB?
Storywise Rosé is a redundant transformation. So why wouldn't Toyotarõ remove it?

Oh, so now it's fine for Toyotaro to remove Toriyama's ideas like that?
Yeah, let's remove the transformation that made the combination of a God using Goku's body unique in the first place and turned Black even more menacing. Because, why the hell not?
Seriously though, Black is already lame and uninteresting as hell in the manga anyway. He barely feels like the same character everyone loved in the anime. But it's amazing the extent some people will go to defend an artist that was an amateur until not long ago and is just a terrible storyteller.

[Abra kadabra]

Well... SSB looks very strong but SSJ goku black is getting beaten around like a pinata with white mage zamus in the wings. Lmao

[dbzfan7]

What did Rosé ever accomplished in the anime? Black at that point was already implied as stronger than Goku and Vegeta. All it did was raise questions: Why it exists? How different of SSJ is it? Can the other Saiyans get it? Is it better than SSJB?
Storywise Rosé is a redundant transformation. So why wouldn't Toyotarõ remove it?

Exactly. Black just growing stronger on his own was far more interesting. I coulda honestly done without forms entirely. It's eerie enough that the normally happy go lucky face is so sinister. Rose looked shit and was shit, and if it had that incredible shot Toyotaro drew instead of base Goku, it would have ruined the point of the moment. The less forms like that the better. Though the anime was full of questions it won't be answering anytime soon.

[Xeztin]

Black has SSJ hair but sparks of SSJ2. I wonder if his ssj is on par with SSJ3. Looks like after being beaten up he will go SSJR.

[Beerus-sama]

No No No No Noooo
I'm extremely disappointed, theres no Rosé, no ahoge no sadistic Black taking advantage from Zenkais
I don't care if it had sense having pink hair or not, I loved the pink hair and ahoge. It made sense for me that he had that color and aura because it was Zamasu's dark soul that was in Goku's body.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

We don't know that Toyotaro is replacing anything. The only concept art we saw for Rosé Black was from Yamamuro, which just replaced the hair of his adaptation of Toriyama's normal Goku Black art. it's entirely possible that Toyotaro is following a note from Toriyama that "Black can become a Super Saiyan" or whatever, and that Toei & Bandai went nuts with adding new transformations for Black, Future Trunks and Vegetto (or in his case, adding him in the first place) during this arc just for the sake of being able to sell more merchandise.

[TheMikado]

We don't know that Toyotaro is replacing anything. The only concept art we saw for Rosé Black was from Yamamuro, which just replaced the hair of his adaptation of Toriyama's normal Goku Black art. it's entirely possible that Toyotaro is following a note from Toriyama that "Black can become a Super Saiyan" or whatever, and that Toei & Bandai went nuts with adding new transformations for Black, Future Trunks and Vegetto (or in his case, adding him in the first place) during this arc just for the sake of being able to sell more merchandise.

That situation would actually be WAY worse that Toyotaro just simply replacing something. I'm waiting for the full manga before jumping to any conclusions.

[Freeza9000]

Oh boy, I'm sure as hell probably not gonna be a fan of this next chapter. It seems like Goku Black doesn't have Super Saiyan Rose, but transforms into what appears to be the golden SSJ2. Which then leads to SSJB Vegeta kicking Black's ass big time and Future Zamasu coming to heal Black. Once again, the anime did this more justice as it made Goku Black as intimidating as he should be, especially when he goes SSJR and stabs Vegeta. Not to mention, the anime just goes to show how much of a devastating duo Future Zamasu and Goku Black is when fighting. In the manga, he just seems like a weakling and daddy Zamasu has to recover him which is a disappointment. Plus, I personally think Super Saiyan Rose just makes Goku Black all the more unique rather than him achieving the regular golden hair form. Hell, I think I might prefer SSJR over the golden SSJ form, SSJG, and SSJB. SSJR just fits with Black's pretentiousness and elegance.

[Beyond]

The manga feels like a trade off. It's makes more sense to me, but on an emotional level it doesn't make me feel much. Goku and Vegeta smash through everything. It looks like black is just another joke compared to them. I mean the anime did a lot wrong, but I do appreciate seeing Goku and Vegeta struggle. Also it was more of a team effort in the anime. The manga could still have all those things, but I doubt it.

I have a feeling the next arc in the manga and anime will be extremely different.

[OLKv3]

Wait a minute. Zamasu saw the Universe 6 tournament right? So why is he shocked by SSB? In the anime he was smug when Vegeta transformed and Trunks noticed it. He should know SSJ2 isn't enough since he already saw Goku go both SSG and SSB. Goku going God mode is what made him interested in his power to begin with

[Jinzoningen MULE]

Yeah, I like that Toyotaro kept ssjg around, but replacing rosé with regular ssj is a negative for me. Why replace it?! Was pink hair not manly enough for somebody at Shueisha? It's a monochrome manga. Nobody gets to see the color outside of the occasional colorspread anyway.

If it ends up not debuting it all, it's more probable that Rose was never a part of the manuscript to begin with. I doubt Toyotaro has any personal issues with it.