"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

[ekrolo2]

The time travel is dumb even if you ignore the Time Ring line, how does Beerus killing Zamasu split off into two timelines where in one of them Zamasu is dead and the other is alive? The act of Zamasu dying is what causes the split according to Toei's (dumb as shit) time chart, taking into account how DB time travel works before, the split should just make two virtually identical timelines where Zamasu is dead.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

So he's not going ahead of the anime at all then? I want to be relieved but seeing how disappointing this chapter is I actually want him to skip ahead in Jan and find out what the new arc is all about. This can't be saved in another chapter. Really do not understand why he wasted time with the flashback and go Kart racing.

[LightBing]

What did Rosé ever accomplished in the anime? Black at that point was already implied as stronger than Goku and Vegeta. All it did was raise questions: Why it exists? How different of SSJ is it? Can the other Saiyans get it? Is it better than SSJB?
Storywise Rosé is a redundant transformation. So why wouldn't Toyotarõ remove it?

Oh, so now it's fine for Toyotaro to remove Toriyama's ideas like that?
Yeah, let's remove the transformation that made the combination of a God using Goku's body unique in the first place and turned Black even more menacing. Because, why the hell not?
Seriously though, Black is already lame and uninteresting as hell in the manga anyway. He barely feels like the same character everyone loved in the anime. But it's amazing the extent some people will go to defend an artist that was an amateur until not long ago and is just a terrible storyteller.

If they serve no purpose in the story and actually only add confusion to the mix, why not? Is Rosé because of a God in Goku's body? Then shouldn't he turn blue, because of God ki? The whole transformation didn't add anything and worst than that didn't offered any explanation.
If it was explained I wouldn't mind a new transformation to make differentiate Goku Black.

Where am I defending Toyotarõ? Seriously, I'm only criticizing Rosé. Doesn't matter who came up with it be Mr.Toriyama or the anime staff. I don't like it.
Don't twist people's words just because you don't like Toyotarõ.

[ekrolo2]

So is this not from the Super manga?

[spoiler][/spoiler]

[Will]

The time travel is dumb even if you ignore the Time Ring line, how does Beerus killing Zamasu split off into two timelines where in one of them Zamasu is dead and the other is alive? The act of Zamasu dying is what causes the split according to Toei's (dumb as shit) time chart, taking into account how DB time travel works before, the split should just make two virtually identical timelines where Zamasu is dead.

Because Beerus kill Zamasu thanks to Trunks's warning.

So he's not going ahead of the anime at all then? I want to be relieved but seeing how disappointing this chapter is I actually want him to skip ahead in Jan and find out what the new arc is all about. This can't be saved in another chapter. Really do not understand why he wasted time with the flashback and go Kart racing.

There's no problem with this chapter or Trunks's flashback if Toyotaro is going to take his time.
We still have time for Black to go Rosé and having cool moments.

I like the Rosé's transformation but if he doesn't do it, the important is to have Black have cool, threating moments against Vegeta Blue and Goku Blue.
Black need to become equal or stronger than them for a couple of time for the tension so Black need to become Rosé or Blue or whatever.

Just make them fuse directly after getting rekt and rush to next arc look like a terrible idea, I don't think he is going to do that.
I hope not.

[ekrolo2]

The time travel is dumb even if you ignore the Time Ring line, how does Beerus killing Zamasu split off into two timelines where in one of them Zamasu is dead and the other is alive? The act of Zamasu dying is what causes the split according to Toei's (dumb as shit) time chart, taking into account how DB time travel works before, the split should just make two virtually identical timelines where Zamasu is dead.

Because Beerus kill Zamasu thanks to Trunks's warning.

No, they say that Beerus killing Zamasu is what causes the timelines to split, not Trunks, not Whis, Beerus. How does killing a dude create a point in time where he's not dead anymore? His death is what causes the split!

[Will]

The time travel is dumb even if you ignore the Time Ring line, how does Beerus killing Zamasu split off into two timelines where in one of them Zamasu is dead and the other is alive? The act of Zamasu dying is what causes the split according to Toei's (dumb as shit) time chart, taking into account how DB time travel works before, the split should just make two virtually identical timelines where Zamasu is dead.

Because Beerus kill Zamasu thanks to Trunks's warning.

No, they say that Beerus killing Zamasu is what causes the timelines to split, not Trunks, not Whis, Beerus. How does killing a dude create a point in time where he's not dead anymore? His death is what causes the split!

Yeah Beerus cause the split, but Beerus kill Zamasu because Trunks warn them.

[ekrolo2]

Because Beerus kill Zamasu thanks to Trunks's warning.

No, they say that Beerus killing Zamasu is what causes the timelines to split, not Trunks, not Whis, Beerus. How does killing a dude create a point in time where he's not dead anymore? His death is what causes the split!

Yeah Beerus cause the split, but Beerus kill Zamasu because Trunks warn them.

Okay, why does that create a timeline where Zamasu is alive? Zamasu dying is what causes the split meaning that everything from that point on changes, meaning there should just be two timelines where Zamasu is dead. Not one where he is and another where he isn't because reasons.

[Will]

No, they say that Beerus killing Zamasu is what causes the timelines to split, not Trunks, not Whis, Beerus. How does killing a dude create a point in time where he's not dead anymore? His death is what causes the split!

Yeah Beerus cause the split, but Beerus kill Zamasu because Trunks warn them.

Okay, why does that create a timeline where Zamasu is alive? Zamasu dying is what causes the split meaning that everything from that point on changes, meaning there should just be two timelines where Zamasu is dead. Not one where he is and another where he isn't because reasons.

The future of the timeline of Goku was supposed to go with Zamasu killing Gowasu, taking the ring, go one year in the future, make his wish, go kill Goku, go to Trunks's timeline. That's Black timeline.

Trunks travel in time, warns Beerus and co, and Beerus by killing Zamasu change the future of Goku's timeline so he created another timeline (since we can't really change the future.)

[ekrolo2]

The future of timeline of Goku was supposed to go with Zamasu killing Gowasu, taking the ring, go one year in the future, make his wish, go kill Goku, go to Trunks's timeline. That's Black timeline.

Trunks travel in time, warns Beerus and co, and Beerus by killing Zamasu change the future of Goku's timeline so he created another timeline (since we can't really change the future.)

That's not what the Toei chart implies, the way you describe it, Trunks going back in time is what causes the split, not Beerus killing Zamasu. It also doesn't solve the problem: Zamasu being dead is what seemingly causes the split, he can't be alive in either timeline because the split hinges on him being dead.

[Will]

The future of timeline of Goku was supposed to go with Zamasu killing Gowasu, taking the ring, go one year in the future, make his wish, go kill Goku, go to Trunks's timeline. That's Black timeline.

Trunks travel in time, warns Beerus and co, and Beerus by killing Zamasu change the future of Goku's timeline so he created another timeline (since we can't really change the future.)

That's not what the Toei chart implies, the way you describe it, Trunks going back in time is what causes the split, not Beerus killing Zamasu. It also doesn't solve the problem: Zamasu being dead is what seemingly causes the split, he can't be alive in either timeline because the split hinges on him being dead.

Just going back in time don't create a new timeline, you need to change stuff like Beerus killing Zamasu.

In Black timeline, Beerus don't kill Zamasu.

[ekrolo2]

Just going back in time don't create a new timeline, you need to change stuff like Beerus killing Zamasu.

In Black timeline, Beerus don't kill Zamasu.

That's factually wrong, Cell going back in time is what causes the main timeline to exist, same thing when Cell's Future Trunks travels to the unseen timeline: he creates it.

[Will]

Just going back in time don't create a new timeline, you need to change stuff like Beerus killing Zamasu.

In Black timeline, Beerus don't kill Zamasu.

That's factually wrong, Cell going back in time is what causes the main timeline to exist, same thing when Cell's Future Trunks travels to the unseen timeline: he creates it.

Both Trunks and Cell change stuff when they went back in time in Z.

[ekrolo2]

Just going back in time don't create a new timeline, you need to change stuff like Beerus killing Zamasu.

In Black timeline, Beerus don't kill Zamasu.

That's factually wrong, Cell going back in time is what causes the main timeline to exist, same thing when Cell's Future Trunks travels to the unseen timeline: he creates it.

Both Trunks and Cell change stuff when they went back in time in Z.

Yes but that isn't what causes the split: them merely arriving in the past causes the split and differences to occur. Gero doesn't make himself into an Android and go out with 19 because Trunks kills Freeza in the middle of a fuck off desert, Trunks & Cell going there period causes changes to occur. It's why 19, 20 and 16 all exist in the main timeline when they don't anywhere else.

[Will]

If simply using the time machine created a new timeline, Trunks will create one each time he travel.

He need to change stuff that are supposed to happens in the future like Goku dying from a disease or Zamasu stealing his body and then a new timeline will be created.

In Super, Trunks also changed stuff, Trunks by coming and warning them about Black, he is responsible of Beerus killing Black.
And Beerus by killing Black created another timeline.

In Black timeline, there's no Trunks coming and changing stuff and Beerus don't kill him.

[TheMikado]

The chapter was utter trash once again! Damn, Toyotaro, you're on a roll, three in a row!

Wow I see you have fully read the chapter, can you point me to where it is because thus far it seems no one else on this forum has the full chapter yet but you.

No need for the passive-agressive remarks when we already know the bulk of the chapter. It's unlikely that whatever dialogue there is left to translate and whatever nice art Toyotaro decides to put on dísplay will change my opinion that Toyotaro can't write to save his life.

Umm I think it's warranted given we've literally only seen a few pages of what may be around 40 pages of content. Like this is super bizarre it's like judging the next Super arc based on that leaked pic with 17. Why is the fandom so strange and hyperreactive without information. I think series are fine but this comment isn't that. We saw a few panels and suddenly everyone thinks there's no SSR at all. Like come on, what people???

[alakazam^]

There's nothing saying #16, #19 and #20 don't exist in Trunks' timeline, we had been focusing on the twins the whole time. This also means it's possible just travelling doesn't split anything, you would have to actually change stuff for that to happen, which would explain only 1 Time Ring being created.

As for Zamasu, a timeline where Black was created has to exist so time itself has to accomodate for that. Their reasoning might be that it split because Zamasu dieing meant Black not being created and the Universe had to correct that somehow.

[Legion]

I think that we'll see SSJR in the next chapter, but if Toyotaro skip Trunks Spirit Sword asspull and Universe Zamasu shit for me it's a good thing.

[Draconic]

We have seen leaked like what? 10 pages? If there are still 39 like usual, that's a quarter of this chapter. I mean, yeah, stuff looks pretty terrible for now, but let's not jump to conclusions yet.

[TheMikado]

We have seen leaked like what? 10 pages? If there are still 39 like usual, that's a quarter of this chapter. I mean, yeah, stuff looks pretty terrible for now, but let's not jump to conclusions yet.

This cannot be repeated enough....