"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

[Sora Saiyan]

Okay, one way I can see this all working is if Black only has SS1 and the lightning is just a Vegetto-esque thing where his powers so great it causes lightning even in the aura of SS1. But if Black has 1,2 AND Rose.. .

I don't think that's quite the case, when Vegetto becomes a SSJ he does have those sparks but they're gone immediately after, when he has his aura on at any other point it just standard SSJ style. With Black he has those sparks all the time with his aura from what I've seen.

[ekrolo2]

Okay, one way I can see this all working is if Black only has SS1 and the lightning is just a Vegetto-esque thing where his powers so great it causes lightning even in the aura of SS1. But if Black has 1,2 AND Rose.. .

I don't think that's quite the case, when Vegetto becomes a SSJ he does have those sparks but they're gone immediately after, when he has his aura on at any other point it just standard SSJ style. With Black he has those sparks all the time with his aura from what I've seen.

Vegetto's also not using anywhere near his full power to kick Boohans ass.

[FireFly]

http://i.imgur.com/Lp11oIC.jpg -ssj2 hair

http://i.imgur.com/Lil6Yd8.jpg - Black is starting to feint, so his hair is dropping from ssj2 to ssj1.

That could merely be his hair being blown back in the first panel, especially since he didn't transform to SSJ2 when he charged SSJB Vegeta after saying he can't use that form.

[buutenks]

http://i.imgur.com/Lp11oIC.jpg -ssj2 hair

http://i.imgur.com/Lil6Yd8.jpg - Black is starting to feint, so his hair is dropping from ssj2 to ssj1.

That could merely be his hair being blown back in the first panel, especially since he didn't transform to SSJ2 when he charged SSJB Vegeta after saying he can't use that form.

Fine, if u dont believe me, lets wait till the chapter is out.

[Sora Saiyan]

I think Blue looks terrible in the anime at times. It couldn't grind base Black into paste, Trunks could keep up with its movements against Vegeta (unlike in the manga when Godku defeated him). Trunks could knock Rose back briefly when he decided to help Goku, and Blue Goku was as crippled as Trunks when hit with that Black KHH.
In the manga Hit had his nifty ability, but power wise he fell short of Blue, although he did surpass normal Godku briefly. When Blue fights the weaker characters in the manga it wrecks, and you never see the weaker characters keeping up, ala Goku and Trunks vs Black and Zamasu.

Super Saiyan 3 Goku one-shotted, Trunks, so it makes Goku look weaker that he used Super Saiyan God. And Vegeta beat the shit out of Trunks in his Blue form. Hit just look weak in the manga.

The only 'weaker' character that kept up with Blue in the anime was Future Zamasu, whose an immortal.

Yeah totally different comparison. Trunks was stated to be close to SSJ3 Goku in the manga hence Goku turning God to make quick work of Trunks. Using your own example of Godku looking weak because of what SSJ3 did works against you since Blue Vegeta didn't one shot Trunks, sure he pummelled him, but Trunks also almost clocked Vegeta and made him put a guard up, so IMO blue looked dreadful against a SSJ2 who wasn't stated to be powerful as the one from the manga.

Yeah F Zamasu might've kept up, but like I've said Trunks also kept up as a regular SSJ2 in the fight with Rose and Zamasu. He even took the exact same attack that KO'd Blue Goku and was in the same shape after, and like I said before base Black just smiled at Blue Vegeta when he was getting hit, even though in the manga SSJ(2?) Black is getting absolutely wrecked, no smile or anything like that because he's almost dead.

[HeroR]

Yeah totally different comparison. Trunks was stated to be close to SSJ3 Goku in the manga hence Goku turning God to make quick work of Trunks. Using your own example of Godku looking weak because of what SSJ3 did works against you since Blue Vegeta didn't one shot Trunks, sure he pummelled him, but Trunks also almost clocked Vegeta and made him put a guard up, so IMO blue looked dreadful against a SSJ2 who wasn't stated to be powerful as the one from the manga.

Yeah F Zamasu might've kept up, but like I've said Trunks also kept up as a regular SSJ2 in the fight with Rose and Zamasu. He even took the exact same attack that KO'd Blue Goku and was in the same shape after, and like I said before base Black just smiled at Blue Vegeta when he was getting hit, even though in the manga SSJ(2?) Black is getting absolutely wrecked, no smile or anything like that because he's almost dead.

Vegeta was training with Trunks, while Goku was hot dogging. What would have been the point of Vegeta one-shotting Trunks. He wouldn't have gotten stronger and it would have ruined the game Vegeta came up with. Trunks only almost clocked an off-guard Vegeta. After that, Trunks never touched Vegeta again until he untransformed. Context is important here.

Trunks only hit Black once when he was off-guard. After that, Trunks never touched Black again, especially in round 2.

Black is more powerful and self-confident in the anime, while the manga nerf Black. Blue doesn't look strong since it's beating up a golden Super Saiyan, not Super Saiyan Rose like Vegeta did during round 3.

[Abra kadabra]

Trunks also caught black off guard. Rage boosted and kicked him into a wall after a brief exchange. He also (literally) couldn't touch him again until super trunks

Trunks is a smart and skilled fighter but people are overstating how much he interacted with black during the 2v2 fight. It was mostly goku vs black and trunks vs zamasu. And trunks would have killed zamasu twice over during that fight

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[kidhero1000]

The impact of Black being beat up by Vegeta is completely lost in the manga because it didn't have the proper build up that it had in the anime.
Also Black is so much weaker in the manga that it's kinda lame. Toyo spin of the plotline can be a hit or a miss most of the time..

[GTx10]

What are the similarities between this new chapter and the Anime. What happens in the Anime that also happens here in this chapter?

[Sandubadear]

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Zamasu looks more stupid in the manga. In the anime, at least he could try to kill Goku first, but here he attacks with Beerus right in front of him.

[buutenks]

He also (literally) couldn't touch him again until super trunks

To be fair that was Black after he gto stronger from the beating Goku gave him. At that level, even ssj blue Goku or vegeta couldnt have touched him.

My main beef with the anime is that base Black was smiling when ssj blue Vegeta was beating on him, yet as a ssj Rose he wasnt really that much stronger, he was stronger, but just by a bit and the little fiasco in ep 57 with Zamasu going toe to toe with ssj blue Goku and Trunks getting a rage boost and getting him from ssj3 level to ssj blue level. Oh well. I will try and make sense of it. I really enjoy doing that hehe

[Legion]

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Zamasu looks more stupid in the manga. In the anime, at least he could try to kill Goku first, but here he attacks with Beerus right in front of him.

Mmh but who attacks? Gowasu?

[Sora Saiyan]

Yeah totally different comparison. Trunks was stated to be close to SSJ3 Goku in the manga hence Goku turning God to make quick work of Trunks. Using your own example of Godku looking weak because of what SSJ3 did works against you since Blue Vegeta didn't one shot Trunks, sure he pummelled him, but Trunks also almost clocked Vegeta and made him put a guard up, so IMO blue looked dreadful against a SSJ2 who wasn't stated to be powerful as the one from the manga.

Yeah F Zamasu might've kept up, but like I've said Trunks also kept up as a regular SSJ2 in the fight with Rose and Zamasu. He even took the exact same attack that KO'd Blue Goku and was in the same shape after, and like I said before base Black just smiled at Blue Vegeta when he was getting hit, even though in the manga SSJ(2?) Black is getting absolutely wrecked, no smile or anything like that because he's almost dead.

Vegeta was training with Trunks, while Goku was hot dogging. What would have been the point of Vegeta one-shotting Trunks. He wouldn't have gotten stronger and it would have ruined the game Vegeta came up with. Trunks only almost clocked an off-guard Vegeta. After that, Trunks never touched Vegeta again until he untransformed. Context is important here.

Trunks only hit Black once when he was off-guard. After that, Trunks never touched Black again, especially in round 2.

Black is more powerful and self-confident in the anime, while the manga nerf Black. Blue doesn't look strong since it's beating up a golden Super Saiyan, not Super Saiyan Rose like Vegeta did during round 3.

I dont see the point in showing off this über powerful form but then making it weaker than the form Goku had shown prior. Seems awfully backwards to me. Also the game was terrible, why did Vegeta just keep hitting him without giving him a chance to retaliate if he was trying to train him? It was all really backwards.
The only training he gave him was how to take a punch, but even then Vegeta wasn't hitting him as hard as SSJ3 Goku did so he wasn't learning how to take a decent punch either.

Trunks wasn't fighting Black. Also Trunks was still able to take that KHH and be left in the same state as blue Goku. I don't even understand how Zamasu could hold down Blue Goku and Trunks. Sure he's immortal but how can Trunks keep up with somebody that can hold SSJB in place with one arm.

In the Anime we could claim that Rose wasn't a massive jump for Black since it didn't appear to be as Vegeta punching him didn't turn base Black into paste, but in the manga we now have blue Vegeta being possibly well over 100x base Black so one punch wouldn't result in a smile, it would result in him exploding. Anime Blacks Rose multiplier looked like the multiplier from Base to Blue in F, but with the manga we have Base Black being stronger than SSJ3 then pumped up with a 50-100x multiplier.
Also in the anime base Black was having a good tussle with SSJ2 Goku but in the manga Trunks couldn't come close to base Black yet Trunks is almost equal to SSJ3 Goku, so I can't say Black is nerfed in the slightest in his regular form, if anything it looks like Blue is in the anime when scaling from Trunks.

[Majin Jator]

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Zamasu looks more stupid in the manga. In the anime, at least he could try to kill Goku first, but here he attacks with Beerus right in front of him.

Maybe he's trying to kill Supreme Kai. Beerus wil die, Whiz remains neutral and Gowasu is not a threat for him.

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This looks like it's the manga version of episode 59 pt 2. I doubt there are any significant changes.

[YonedgeHP]

Guys, do you know where I can find summaries of the manga chapters? (such as Herms' episode's ones)

[Baggie_Saiyan]

Personally I feel like Black was WAY too OP in the anime and Vegeta beating him down towards the end, didnt quite cut it for me. So seeing as though Toyotaro has SSJBlue be put on this pedestal that the form cant be touched unless the User misuses it, or is Beerus. I'm loving that Vegeta seems to be laying the smackdown pretty early, even with Black learning SSJ(2?)(Rose'?)(Rose'2?).

Side note I love that Toyotaro has Blue on this untouchable throne, it gives the form more of an impact. Thus far anime wise, both Goku and Vegeta have been getting their asses kicked in that form since its inception, which makes it feel a bit meaningless.

I agree with this. ssj blue felt very underwhelming, especially after Trunks managed to get to that level without any reason other than that the writers wanted it.

The manga power scaling makes way more sense and i also like how ssg and ssj blue are actually as powerful as they should be, and not every new introduced character is as strong or stronger than those forms.

And yes i know some of you will say: But this always was the case in DB. Look at the androids or Buu. Thing is, the androids 17 and 18 were at best what 2-3 times stronger than Freeza. Here the gap between Z and ssg is massive. It is unimaginable. It is a gap where Goku knew he couldnt reach on his own and Whis backs this up when he says that Vegeta without WHis' help can never become as strong as Goku. So all these enemies appearing at ssj blue level out of the blue is pretty much poor writing. While Toyotaru did well to balance it. Unlike the anime where its a huge mess. Where apparently Beerus got from 40% stronger than ssg, to 10000x times stronger. The reason? Because the writers messed up with the power scaling, especially with the introduction of kk.

Trunks never got to that level though. He only used that form when Goku and Vegeta were out of commission, even then he in that whatever form never gave Black a severe beat down as close to what Vegeta and Goku gave. He still needed his half beaten's Dad help to beat Zamasu in that beam struggle whereas half beaten Goku did one and won on his own.

He did get a contrived boost but nowhere enough to match SSGSS.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

Has the devils corspe provided a summary yet?

There's nothing [for us] to summarize yet. I don't believe the full chapter has leaked (just getting home, so I could be wrong), but the material that has is in Japanese. Me and my fiancé provide you guys with the info from the Korean versions; when they manage to pop up first.

[Abra kadabra]

Trunks never got to that level though. He only used that form when Goku and Vegeta were out of commission, even then he in that whatever form never gave Black a severe beat down as close to what Vegeta and Goku gave. He still needed his half beaten's Dad help to beat Zamasu in that beam struggle whereas half beaten Goku did one and won on his own.

He did get a contrived boost but nowhere enough to match SSGSS.

Oh please. What an erroneous posts. Goku in the nep called trunks "crazy powerful" saying "he's giving black a run for his money." He also knocked black out with a galick gun. And if you want to include goku winning the beam struggle as a feat of power instead of toei making goku look strong, then goku is also stronger than SSB Vegito because Goku's KHH actually did something.