Super Animation Catalogue 2.0

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 70

Post by Ajay » Wed Dec 14, 2016 10:41 pm

Sakugablog put out a wonderful article to help newcomers understand how identifying animators works. It's a terrific read, and I thoroughly recommend it.

While I'm sure frequent visitors of this thread are well aware of this stuff already, it's worth checking out, all the same!

Other things to note: they just launched a Q&A service for their $5 tier on their Patreon. It helps keep Sakugabooru alive, while also helping the community gain accurate answers to their questions.

They've done a lot for the animation community, and for me personally (ergo this thread, too), so I'll hope you'll forgive that little bit of promotion, there.
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 70

Post by Saikyo no Senshi » Thu Dec 15, 2016 12:56 am

I would recommend checking out Sakugabooru and their blog too. And not just for animation, they also cover direction and studio histories and pretty much everything. It has been a great learning experience so far for me.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 70

Post by A Man named RJ » Thu Dec 15, 2016 8:02 pm

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 70

Post by FortuneSSJ » Thu Dec 15, 2016 8:53 pm

Looks like Saint Seiya will indeed get an new anime. Nothing more was revealed so far.

The shonen Black Cover will get a 'super important announcement' this weekend at Jump Festa, which is most likely an anime adaptation. Let's see if Toei can control their greed and they didn't pick this one too.
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 70

Post by ArchedThunder » Thu Dec 15, 2016 8:56 pm

FortuneSSJ wrote:Looks like Saint Seiya will indeed get an new anime. Nothing more was revealed so far.
I really hope this doesn't hurt Super.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 70

Post by ArchedThunder » Thu Dec 15, 2016 9:26 pm

They're showing a PV for the new arc at Jump Festa, so if it's actual stuff from the arc then that 100% confirms that they actually managed to get a more normal production time for this next arc.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 70

Post by nite_jay » Thu Dec 15, 2016 9:31 pm

ArchedThunder wrote:They're showing a PV for the new arc at Jump Festa, so if it's actual stuff from the arc then that 100% confirms that they actually managed to get a more normal production time for this next arc.
Man, I hope this is true.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 70

Post by FortuneSSJ » Thu Dec 15, 2016 9:38 pm

I still think it's too soon for this arc plot wise and animation wise. We should have more arcs before this tournament, while the production keeps getting better too,
Well, there was a big jump between Champa arc and FT Trunks arc.

We ended up not having a fight as bad as Goku vs Botamo or Goku vs Freeza Final Form. And Black's personification following FT Trunks in the first episode had more animation than Super Shenlong summoning.

Fingers crossed.
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 70

Post by ArchedThunder » Thu Dec 15, 2016 9:40 pm

FortuneSSJ wrote:I still think it's too soon for this arc plot wise and animation wise. We should have more arcs before this tournament, while the production keeps getting better too,
Well, there was a big jump between Champa arc and FT Trunks arc.

We ended up not having a fight as bad as Goku vs Botamo or Goku vs Freeza Final Form. And Black's personification following FT Trunks in the first episode had more animation than Super Shenlong summoning.

Fingers crossed.
If they were able to start production of this arc during the Future Trunks arc ahead of when they usually start production on the next arc then the 11 weeks between arcs would definitely be enough to make things normal. I really hope the PV is actual footage from the show and not just promo art or something.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 70

Post by Ajay » Thu Dec 15, 2016 9:49 pm

I'm predicting exclusive footage, possibly by Yamamuro, for the PV. I can't imagine they'll show anything worthwhile from the show, proper. Would be nice to be wrong, though.

Doing another tournament arc is really silly -- if it's structured like the previous one, at least. Even a show with the best of schedules can struggle with pure-action arcs. Considering the Future Trunks arc began to crumble once it hit the action, I'm worried.

I hope this is set across several days with side plot-lines used to break up the action. You know, kinda like Yu Yu Hakusho's Dark Tournament. The matches were only part of the arc, while side events helped carry the story.

That is the only way I see this working, but unfortunately, that doesn't seem very Toriyama, so I'm not holding my breath.

This feels too soon, it feels wrong for Super, and I'm not feeling very positive. I just hope I can look back on this message and laugh at myself.
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 70

Post by ArchedThunder » Thu Dec 15, 2016 10:04 pm

Ajay wrote:I'm predicting exclusive footage, possibly by Yamamuro, for the PV. I can't imagine they'll show anything worthwhile from the show, proper. Would be nice to be wrong, though.

Doing another tournament arc is really silly -- if it's structured like the previous one, at least. Even a show with the best of schedules can struggle with pure-action arcs. Considering the Future Trunks arc began to crumble once it hit the action, I'm worried.

I hope this is set across several days with side plot-lines used to break up the action. You know, kinda like Yu Yu Hakusho's Dark Tournament. The matches were only part of the arc, while side events helped carry the story.

That is the only way I see this working, but unfortunately, that doesn't seem very Toriyama, so I'm not holding my breath.

This feels too soon, it feels wrong for Super, and I'm not feeling very positive. I just hope I can look back on this message and laugh at myself.
Even if it's just non action footage from the first episode, seeing stuff this early would be great. I think we'll see like a 30 second PV with a mix of stuff from the show and a small amount of clips made for the PV to show new characters, similar to the scene from the first Super ad with Champa.
God I hope you're wrong about it being something Yamamuro just whipped up for this. Not only would that be lame, but it'd be a waste of resources.

I doubt the arc will be structured anything like the previous tournament arc since we have 10 man teams from 12 universes. We're probably going to have the teams dropped off in different locations and they have to survive and fight each other, which would also allow for plenty of non combat stuff. If they managed to improve the production again hopefully they've been able to grab more animators and the action will be more consistent.

I wouldn't say the Future Trunks arc started to crumble once it hit the action, it wasn't till about episode 62 that things started to fall apart, and even then it was only for a few of the episodes.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 70

Post by kinisking » Thu Dec 15, 2016 10:32 pm

I'd disagree about things crumbling too. Future trunks had consistently great animation besides for a few episodes. There wasn't any disgusting episodes like in ROF and the worst ones were actually decent.
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 70

Post by Anime Kitten » Thu Dec 15, 2016 10:42 pm

I feel like I've seen this Goku before somewhere. Does it happen to be recycled or am I just going insane?
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 70

Post by kinisking » Thu Dec 15, 2016 10:49 pm

Anime Kitten wrote:I feel like I've seen this Goku before somewhere. Does it happen to be recycled or am I just going insane?
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It looks like a shot from episode 28 but I'm not 100 percent certain it's recycled.
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 70

Post by Sodhi » Fri Dec 16, 2016 2:07 am

I think they can plan this really well by sacrificing or rushing all the filler till before the new arc. It will help the staff focus on what's really important. Imo, at this point, they should already be working on at least second episode of the arc. I don't know why, but i am feeling very positive about this.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 70

Post by Saikyo no Senshi » Fri Dec 16, 2016 2:12 am

I'm not at all excited for this big tournament arc. It doesn't interest me in the slightest and a pure-action arc is clearly not what I was hoping for. But, we'll see what happens. My expectations are as it is very low, so I don't think I'll be that disappointed.

More importantly, I'm looking forward to the core staff reveal of the new Saint Seiya anime and if Hatano is SD of it or not.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 70

Post by ArchedThunder » Fri Dec 16, 2016 2:51 am

Sodhi wrote:. Imo, at this point, they should already be working on at least second episode of the arc. I don't know why, but i am feeling very positive about this.
I would hope work on the first few episodes has already been underway, not just the first two.
I really hope we're lucky and there have been animators working on it since before the Future Trunks arc ended, maybe somewhere around 62.
Saikyo no Senshi wrote:I'm not at all excited for this big tournament arc. It doesn't interest me in the slightest and a pure-action arc is clearly not what I was hoping for. But, we'll see what happens. My expectations are as it is very low, so I don't think I'll be that disappointed.

More importantly, I'm looking forward to the core staff reveal of the new Saint Seiya anime and if Hatano is SD of it or not.
The poster in combination with the description make it sound like it's not just another tournament, but something very different.
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 70

Post by Sodhi » Fri Dec 16, 2016 2:55 am

I was going by the industry average of 1.5 months. However you are right, for a arc like this, they should have already done couple of episodes.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 70

Post by Jinzoningen MULE » Fri Dec 16, 2016 3:11 am

We've been seeing all the regular names pop up frequently even in these past few weeks, so don't count on them having worked ahead.
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 70

Post by Psykomatik » Fri Dec 16, 2016 8:31 am

Well, Ishikawa and Shimanuki will begin to work on the upcoming arc after this episode, while Tate and Karasawa will begin to work on the arc after Christhmas, so it's still good.
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