"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

[Sandubadear]

To my knowledge, Future Zamasu has the Time Ring in the manga and Black does not. That makes me think that their roles are reversed in the manga.
Black being Future Zamasu and the Zamasu in this chapter being the one from the present.

Doesn't make much sense because the only one who can change bodies with Goku is Past Zamasu. Unless past Zamasu becomes Black, and then after going to the other timeline, changed bodies with Future Zamasu.

[supersaiyangodgogeta]

To my knowledge, Future Zamasu has the Time Ring in the manga and Black does not. That makes me think that their roles are reversed in the manga.
Black being Future Zamasu and the Zamasu in this chapter being the one from the present.

Doesn't make much sense because the only one who can change bodies with Goku is Past Zamasu. Unless past Zamasu becomes Black, and then after going to the other timeline, changed bodies with Future Zamasu.

Could be that Present Zamasu wished for immortality, then went to Trunks' timeline. He brings Future Zamasu back to the present with the Time Ring whom switches bodies with Goku.
Black not having the Time Ring would point to him not being Present Zamasu, unless him and Future Zamasu swapped rings. They don't have any reason to do that though since a set of Time Rings exist is Trunks' timeline.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

I was just re-reading the Manga and I noticed something, Pan is already a Super Saiyan in Toyotarou's version.

Isn't every black haired person's hair always inked in the Manga?
I think this might be intentional.

The image is from Chapter 7 by the way.

I don't know if you've ever seen a baby before, but their hair is usually extraordinarily thin. That's probably what it's trying to convey.

[Chelentano]

I was just re-reading the Manga and I noticed something, Pan is already a Super Saiyan in Toyotarou's version.

Isn't every black haired person's hair always inked in the Manga?
I think this might be intentional.

The image is from Chapter 7 by the way.

This is from Viz:

[Jinzoningen MULE]

In that case, it was probably just an oversight. Either way, SS Pan wouldn't make any sense yet.

[Omori]

I was just re-reading the Manga and I noticed something, Pan is already a Super Saiyan in Toyotarou's version.

Isn't every black haired person's hair always inked in the Manga?
I think this might be intentional.

The image is from Chapter 7 by the way.

I have the original Volume 1 of Super right here and it's definitely colored.

[Ajay]

I just checked V-Jump and Volume 1.

It's white in V-Jump, but coloured for the volume release.

Must have just been a mistake.

[Nejishiki]

More like a retcon. They're already "nerfing" Pan after the complaints.

[kidhero1000]

Looks like the manga is really intent to ruin the characters and strength of Black and Zamasu. Really do wonder why Toyotaro didn't just past zoom through this. He isn't making this arc any better.

Lol because black isn't stupid op? F Zamasu is looking like gold btw. Manga has been great. Rose was trash palette swap of a palette swap, get over it.

Nah, he's just a big stupid chump in this version.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

Looks like the manga is really intent to ruin the characters and strength of Black and Zamasu. Really do wonder why Toyotaro didn't just past zoom through this. He isn't making this arc any better.

Lol because black isn't stupid op? F Zamasu is looking like gold btw. Manga has been great. Rose was trash palette swap of a palette swap, get over it.

Nah, he's just a big stupid chump in this version.

Yeah I'm starting to see the flaws in Toyo's writing, these last two arcs now he's handled the enemies pretty poorly compared the anime. Honestly just wish he would stay ahead of the anime because it feels like he's changing things for the sake of being different from the anime. People tend to forget he changed BoG so we know he's not opposed to making changes to Toriyama's outline.

[LowRyder2005]

I have my share of doubts Toyotaro changes much. The differences between the anime and the manga could (possibly) just be an indicator on how thin the outline given to Toyotaro and Toei is.

[Will]

Rosé is Toriyama's design:
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Black in the mangas still hasn't mastered Goku's body ( He didn't too in the anime when he went back shortly in the present.)
He can still go Rosé in the next chapter.

We don't know how many chapter, there will be for this arc in mangas.
People are making big assumtion it will end next chapter based on pretty vague comment.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

I have my share of doubts Toyotaro changes much. The differences between the anime and the manga could (possibly) just be an indicator on how thin the outline given to Toyotaro and Toei is.

But he changed BoG so Goku did not drop of SSG. We know 100% for fact that Toriyama intended Goku to revert back to SS for the conclusion of the fight. Yet Toyotaro saw fit to ignore that have Goku stay in SSG. If he's changed something as big as that who knows what else he's changed. I am now more than convinced that SSGSSKK was indeed in the outline.

Rosé is Toriyama's design:
[spoiler][/spoiler]

Black in the mangas still hasn't mastered Goku's body ( He didn't too in the anime when he went back shortly in the present.)
He can still go Rosé in the next chapter.

We don't know how many chapter, there will be for this arc in mangas.
People are making big assumtion it will end next chapter based on pretty vague comment.

Hmm you may have a point the Black arc debuted in the Manga a month after the anime, so we could have two chapters still. Ideally 3 more would do but since the Manga is promotion I can't see it being two months behind the current arc which means it'll be 3 months behind when Toyo starts the the arc.

[TheMikado]

I know I periodically ask this but are we still drawing conclusions based on a couple of blurry panels or has anything of substance actually released yet?

[alakazam^]

But he changed BoG so Goku did not drop of SSG. We know 100% for fact that Toriyama intended Goku to revert back to SS for the conclusion of the fight. Yet Toyotaro saw fit to ignore that have Goku stay in SSG. If he's changed something as big as that who knows what else he's changed. I am now more than convinced that SSGSSKK was indeed in the outline.

Toriyama could have changed his mind because of Super or something like that. Even then, Toyotarou did say Toriyama didn't really care to correct story points, being more particular about gags.

I think it's safe to say Blueken was all Toei's idea, they even had an original episode showing consequences of using it and why Goku wouldn't keep relying on it.

I know I periodically ask this but are we still drawing conclusions based on a couple of blurry panels or has anything of substance actually released yet?

Only few pages properly scanned. The chapter ends with that big panel of Zamasu and Black, by the way. I think you were asking earlier.

[Xeztin]

But he changed BoG so Goku did not drop of SSG. We know 100% for fact that Toriyama intended Goku to revert back to SS for the conclusion of the fight. Yet Toyotaro saw fit to ignore that have Goku stay in SSG. If he's changed something as big as that who knows what else he's changed. I am now more than convinced that SSGSSKK was indeed in the outline.

Toriyama could have changed his mind because of Super or something like that. Even then, Toyotarou did say Toriyama didn't really care to correct story points, being more particular about gags.

I think it's safe to say Blueken was all Toei's idea, they even had an original episode showing consequences of using it and why Goku wouldn't keep relying on it.

I agree on that, I think Super Trunks is a Toei idea too. Toei seems to like doing double auras with stuff like that, but I'm not sure Toriyama particularly likes doing double auras or particularly cares for that matter.

[Araki]

Lol because black isn't stupid op? F Zamasu is looking like gold btw. Manga has been great. Rose was trash palette swap of a palette swap, get over it.

Nah, he's just a big stupid chump in this version.

Yeah I'm starting to see the flaws in Toyo's writing, these last two arcs now he's handled the enemies pretty poorly compared the anime. Honestly just wish he would stay ahead of the anime because it feels like he's changing things for the sake of being different from the anime. People tend to forget he changed BoG so we know he's not opposed to making changes to Toriyama's outline.

As much as i find Toyotaro a mediocre (at best) mangaka, i don't think he's entirely to blame, as he's probably being told to make it deliberately different. I mean, he's just "that guy drawing the promotional manga" in the big scheme of things, and might be struggling with all the requests and time restraints.

[Miracles]

This is Toriyama's story, Toyotaro is just following what Toriyama allows.
Blame is shifted on Toriyama for anything good or bad.

[sailorspazz]

New scans...

[spoiler]
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translation? something interesting?

The first page, it seems Beerus (on a previous unseen page) had been explaining the reason why he came here to destroy him (not that a God of Destruction really needs a reason to do that, he adds). Gowasu tells Zamasu to say something, since surely there must be some mistake. Zamasu scoffs at being accused of plotting evil acts, saying that they're actually righteous deeds.

Second page skips ahead (looking at the numbers, it's a few pages later), with Beerus starting off with, "isn't that just your delusion of justice?" And Zamasu replies with (I think about the same line as the anime?) that if his plan is being carried out in the future, then he can't die here, and declares he'll set it in motion here and now.

So yeah...I guess it's nothing we didn't already get from the anime, but a nice exchange. And I can tolerate Toyotarou's "evil bastard face" Zamasu better in this scene where he's actually showing his true colors, rather than earlier chapters when he should've been maintaining a more innocent look before snapping.

[LowRyder2005]

But he changed BoG so Goku did not drop of SSG. We know 100% for fact that Toriyama intended Goku to revert back to SS for the conclusion of the fight. Yet Toyotaro saw fit to ignore that have Goku stay in SSG. If he's changed something as big as that who knows what else he's changed. I am now more than convinced that SSGSSKK was indeed in the outline.

Are you referring to BOG? That may be Toriyama not mentioning anything like that in the outline for the manga as well, nevertheless. I can more or less imagine something like "Goku fights Beerus and then loses Super Saiyan God. The end".
I seriously doubt he would ignore a plot point like Blue + Kaioken. Much more inclined to believe he just filled the blanks with something else.