Should Super be canon in your mind?

[MarCas92]

There is no canon. Nothing makes sense. NOTHING! Even the original manga has a bunch of different continuity hang ups. Everything happened, but at the same time only some things happened? It's a puzzle that will never assemble no matter how hard you try. It's all pretty incidental anyway. Half the stuff in Super isn't even Toriyama. I wouldn't be surprised if he just writes stuff on a napkin with Sharpie and hands it to Toei. Nothing in DB exists on purpose, Nothing belongs anywhere, Everybody's gonna die. Come watch T.V.?

[Nano]

No. I find Super to be trash and I view as it's own little thing, much like GT.

This is what I've come to as well. Maybe one day we'll get a real continuation of Z.

[Abra kadabra]

I prefer segments.

Mainly, BoG introducing the continuation of the God hierarchy and the characters that came with it. Minus Zamasu and the entire FT arc. That shit blew chunks.

The multiverse tournament between Beerus and Champs was good IMO. We got introduced to a Frieza variant and a saiyan from another Universe. Not to mention, Hit. And they're expanding on that with an even bigger multiverse tournament.

So far, this has been the only arc that directly leads into another one.

RoF, Zamasu, and deez fillers have been trash IMHO. They don't even add anything new. We could have not had them and still be in the same place.

You're being disingenuous when you talk about the FT arc. It was a great arc that introduces a corrupted Kai, time travel being forbidden and time rings, 2 omni-kings, character development for numerous characters.

You don't know how it could tie into subsequent arcs and if it doesn't, It doesn't need to have an overarching narrative to build on the lore or tell a story.

You're entitled to an opinion but to say say RoF and FT arc didn't add anything and wax lyrical over the insertions of a tournament arc is obtuse and essentially incorrect.

Zamasu the "corrupted" Kai is one of the worse ways they could've implemented an evil Goku.

Don't even get me started on the time travel bullshit. They had to make a chart to explain it and it still doesn't make sense. Are you serious right now?!

2 omni kings?! He isn't omni. He doesn't even know what he looks like, let alone knows wtf is going on in his own world.

Character development for who?! Trunks!? Lol

Your post is very condescending fam. Let's discuss in a civil manner. Evil goku is just a means to an end. A tool. A costume. The corrupted Kai is the interesting aspect because the Kai were trying to stop corruption in the buu arc.

Thats due to toei being sparing with their explanations. It's a timeloop paradox using multiverse theory. Zamasu kills goku and goes to trunks timeline - > causing trunks to go to the past - > causing Beerus to destroy zamasu - > causing an alternate timeline were goku isnt killed by zamasu. But the chain reaction of events have to occur to get the end result, causing a timeloop paradox.

This is an interesting dynamic theyve added to the lore. Time itself is higher in the hierarchy than Zeno. He's powerful but has the mind of a child. That's interesting.

Yes Trunk's got character development in the "Future Trunks" arc. As did Mai, vegeta, zamasu, Gowasu, present Trunks, Gohan, bulma, Beerus and Whis. But it isn't not uncommon for watchers to only concentrate on characters they're fans of and ignore everyone else.

[Nano]

You're being disingenuous when you talk about the FT arc. It was a great arc that introduces a corrupted Kai, time travel being forbidden and time rings, 2 omni-kings, character development for numerous characters.

You don't know how it could tie into subsequent arcs and if it doesn't, It doesn't need to have an overarching narrative to build on the lore or tell a story.

You're entitled to an opinion but to say say RoF and FT arc didn't add anything and wax lyrical over the insertions of a tournament arc is obtuse and essentially incorrect.

Zamasu the "corrupted" Kai is one of the worse ways they could've implemented an evil Goku.

Don't even get me started on the time travel bullshit. They had to make a chart to explain it and it still doesn't make sense. Are you serious right now?!

2 omni kings?! He isn't omni. He doesn't even know what he looks like, let alone knows wtf is going on in his own world.

Character development for who?! Trunks!? Lol

Your post is very condescending fam. Let's discuss in a civil manner. Evil goku is just a means to an end. A tool. A costume. The corrupted Kai is the interesting aspect because the Kai were trying to stop corruption in the buu arc.

Thats due to toei being sparing with their explanations. It's a timeloop paradox using multiverse theory. Zamasu kills goku and goes to trunks timeline - > causing trunks to go to the past - > causing Beerus to destroy zamasu - > causing an alternate timeline were goku isnt killed by zamasu. But the chain reaction of events have to occur to get the end result, causing a timeloop paradox.

This is an interesting dynamic theyve added to the lore. Time itself is higher in the hierarchy than Zeno. He's powerful but has the mind of a child. That's interesting.

Yes Trunk's got character development in the "Future Trunks" arc. As did Mai, vegeta, zamasu, Gowasu, present Trunks, Gohan, bulma, Beerus and Whis. But it isn't not uncommon for watchers to only concentrate on characters they're fans of and ignore everyone else.

Maybe it is.

It just baffles me how people can look past all the bad stuff. Which is mostly in this arc.

Time travel always ruins a story if its not completely meshed out. There's no getting around how horrible time travel was handled here. So horrible in fact that they made a chart to try and explain it.

You cannot tell me you didn't "wtf" at least 9000 times when watching it. I know I did.

[Lord Beerus]

There is no canon. Nothing makes sense. NOTHING! Even the original manga has a bunch of different continuity hang ups. Everything happened, but at the same time only some things happened? It's a puzzle that will never assemble no matter how hard you try. It's all pretty incidental anyway. Half the stuff in Super isn't even Toriyama. I wouldn't be surprised if he just writes stuff on a napkin with Sharpie and hands it to Toei. Nothing in DB exists on purpose, Nothing belongs anywhere, Everybody's gonna die. Come watch T.V.?

I see what you did there. Morty.

[precita]

No. I find Super to be trash and I view as it's own little thing, much like GT.

This is what I've come to as well. Maybe one day we'll get a real continuation of Z.

"Real continuation of Z?" What does that even mean? No potential future series will be any different than what we have now.

Toriyama is outlining the series and its written directly after the Buu arc. What "real continuation of Z" do you want?

[Soppa Saia People]

No. I find Super to be trash and I view as it's own little thing, much like GT.

This is what I've come to as well. Maybe one day we'll get a real continuation of Z.

"Real continuation of Z?" What does that even mean? No potential future series will be any different than what we have now.

Toriyama is outlining the series and its written directly after the Buu arc. What "real continuation of Z" do you want?

Something after EoZ.

[precita]

And that could still happen eventually. All Super is doing is filling the gap inbetween the years.

[GodKaio-Ken]

Zamasu the "corrupted" Kai is one of the worse ways they could've implemented an evil Goku.

Don't even get me started on the time travel bullshit. They had to make a chart to explain it and it still doesn't make sense. Are you serious right now?!

2 omni kings?! He isn't omni. He doesn't even know what he looks like, let alone knows wtf is going on in his own world.

Character development for who?! Trunks!? Lol

Your post is very condescending fam. Let's discuss in a civil manner. Evil goku is just a means to an end. A tool. A costume. The corrupted Kai is the interesting aspect because the Kai were trying to stop corruption in the buu arc.

Thats due to toei being sparing with their explanations. It's a timeloop paradox using multiverse theory. Zamasu kills goku and goes to trunks timeline - > causing trunks to go to the past - > causing Beerus to destroy zamasu - > causing an alternate timeline were goku isnt killed by zamasu. But the chain reaction of events have to occur to get the end result, causing a timeloop paradox.

This is an interesting dynamic theyve added to the lore. Time itself is higher in the hierarchy than Zeno. He's powerful but has the mind of a child. That's interesting.

Yes Trunk's got character development in the "Future Trunks" arc. As did Mai, vegeta, zamasu, Gowasu, present Trunks, Gohan, bulma, Beerus and Whis. But it isn't not uncommon for watchers to only concentrate on characters they're fans of and ignore everyone else.

Maybe it is.

It just baffles me how people can look past all the bad stuff. Which is mostly in this arc.

Time travel always ruins a story if its not completely meshed out. There's no getting around how horrible time travel was handled here. So horrible in fact that they made a chart to try and explain it.

You cannot tell me you didn't "wtf" at least 9000 times when watching it. I know I did.

Not really...it made sense to me entirely. Its like if you go back in time and stop your parents from meeting. An alternate timeline would have to be created because if you dont exist you cant go back.