"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[ArchedThunder]

Here a stream for Jump Festa for later if you want to see it live >>>>>>>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vqp8xeUOUs

This is just a stream of Square's stuff though, isn't it?

[Sodhi]

Yes its just for square enix stuff, according to Ajay it says that in the description(with the schedule).

[kinisking]

What Eastern time is the heroes event?

[Neon Z]

For the record, it was far, far weaker. Very little drama, just fighting for the sake of fighting. That being said, it was and is still a fun arc to watch. I think people were a little too tension-hungry at the time, that's why it seemed like such a disappointment.

The 21st tournament also had no stakes, no drama, and was a glorified training setting for Goku and Krillin. The 22nd hardly had any stakes outside of Tien's grudge against Goku. Both tournaments also happened for the sake of fighting. If we count Baba's tournament, there was no real stakes or drama either since Goku could have solo the whole thing. Only the 23rd tournament had any real stakes and drama.

Stakes aren't just a matter of saving the world. Facing Roshi in the 21st Budokai would be like facing Beerus now. It'd be very relevant regarding showing the characters' growth.

Same goes to the 22nd Budokai. Tenshinhan and Chaotzu were there to humiliate the Kame school in revenge for Tao Pai Pai's loss. The Universe 6 arc lacked any of that. And, like I mentioned above, in all of those cases the main opponents had matches throughout the tournament, rather than being left to the end.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

For the record, it was far, far weaker. Very little drama, just fighting for the sake of fighting. That being said, it was and is still a fun arc to watch. I think people were a little too tension-hungry at the time, that's why it seemed like such a disappointment.

The 21st tournament also had no stakes, no drama, and was a glorified training setting for Goku and Krillin. The 22nd hardly had any stakes outside of Tien's grudge against Goku. Both tournaments also happened for the sake of fighting. If we count Baba's tournament, there was no real stakes or drama either since Goku could have solo the whole thing. Only the 23rd tournament had any real stakes and drama.

What? I'm honestly astounded that you could even make that claim. Let me go one at a time:

Stakes - I suspect that when you say there are no stakes, you mean that there's nothing literally threatening to destroy the planet. That's not what stakes are, it's not dependent on some big bad super-villain coming to destroy the planet. The stakes for the 21st are self-improvement, building of the mind and spirit, experience, something that's conveyed remarkably well. As for the 22nd, the stake is the honor of the Turtle School. They can't let the underhanded tactics of the Crane School prevail, sullying not only the Turtle Hermit, but his legacy, his teachings, and his students. They may not have an effect on the universe in any significant way, but the consequences from losing are much more human, and are just as legitimate.

Drama - I could go on all day about how you're wrong here, so I'll just name the characters who have their own drama mini-arcs running simultaneously with both tournaments: Nam, Roshi, Kuririn, Goku, Yamcha, Tenshinhan

The Baba Tournament... well, I honestly don't remember Goku's performance there, but the stakes exist independent of Goku's wins. He wasn't strong enough that a loss would have been unthinkable

[ArchedThunder]

What Eastern time is the heroes event?

1 AM Sunday morning I believe.

[JulieYBM]

After some thought, I think that Future Zen-Ou will want to destroy all of the losing universes, leaving only one, but by the end of the tournament Gokuu will convince him not to and Present Zen-Ou will kill Future Zen-Ou. That or both Zen-Ou will kill each other because they agree that they are both too dangerous. This will leave a power gap that others try to fill in the following arcs.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

What Eastern time is the heroes event?

1 AM Sunday morning I believe.

That's correct. Hope you all have coffee made.

[ArchedThunder]

After some thought, I think that Future Zen-Ou will want to destroy all of the losing universes, leaving only one, but by the end of the tournament Gokuu will convince him not to and Present Zen-Ou will kill Future Zen-Ou. That or both Zen-Ou will kill each other because they agree that they are both too dangerous. This will leave a power gap that others try to fill in the following arcs.

Ever since Goku brought future Zeno to the present I've been thinking the two Zenos will end up killing each other in a disagreement, creating a huge power struggle in the realm of the gods.
A godly war arc could be interesting.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

After some thought, I think that Future Zen-Ou will want to destroy all of the losing universes, leaving only one, but by the end of the tournament Gokuu will convince him not to and Present Zen-Ou will kill Future Zen-Ou. That or both Zen-Ou will kill each other because they agree that they are both too dangerous. This will leave a power gap that others try to fill in the following arcs.

That's pretty un-Toriyama, so I doubt it. Also, I doubt Zeno could comprehend how big a danger he is to others, if he values life to begin with. He's only an all-powerful God-child, after all.

[precita]

I don't get why people are saying, "They didn't explore the other universes" etc. Aside from visiting Cabba's planets to see other Saiyans, what difference does the other universes make?

The main cast haven't even visited all the alien planets in their own universe. We've seen what....Planet Vegeta, Namek, some filler planets, etc?

[Jinzoningen MULE]

I don't get why people are saying, "They didn't explore the other universes" etc. Aside from visiting Cabba's planets to see other Saiyans, what difference does the other universes make?

The main cast haven't even visited all the alien planets in their own universe. We've seen what....Planet Vegeta, Namek, some filler planets, etc?

That's the exact sentiment I've had. I'll worry about other universes once U7 has been properly explored.

[Kanassa]

What Eastern time is the heroes event?

1 AM Sunday morning I believe.

That's correct. Hope you all have coffee made.

So, for UTC that would be around 6am on a sunday?

[Noah]

Yes, but we don't know about the timelines that were possibly created by the retreat travels made by Trunks, Goku and Vegeta, there's a possibility of one or two timelines that Black is still alive.

Black has a Saiyan body he would like to test his limits with the strongest of each universe and besides the U10 Hakaishin could keep him in check if he tries something funny.

Black hates mortal and would never go into a tournament with them. He would go to their planet and kill them, like he's been doing for years. And what makes you think other timelines are invited since time travel is taboo to the point Beerus blew up Bulma's time machine? And do you think Future Zamasu wants one-half of the asshole who ruined his multiverse?

As for the Gods of Destruction, he would just kill the Kais, yet again.

Making a lot of assumptions don't you? Or you're just mistaking Black with Zamasu, as even though they share the same soul, they are different in some way. Black could still enter in the tournament to test his powers, the manga even implies that he may find boring no one to be against him in his plans of extermination after F. Trunks escape.

Like I said before:

what if the U10 Hakaishin lack the morals to recruit a guy that contributed to his death in the past just for the sake of winning (surviving)

Not only for recruiting Black but for ignoring the time travel taboo too and no he won't kill the Kaioshins again, as the U10 Hakaishin is presumed to be stronger and would keep a eye on him.

I think the room is the same place but linked across all the universe in a sense. Or maybe can just manifest itself in any universe when needed.

Or maybe he's the Kaioshin designed to take cares of all in all universes

[HeroR]

Stakes aren't just a matter of saving the world. Facing Roshi in the 21st Budokai would be like facing Beerus now. It'd be very relevant regarding showing the characters' growth.

Same goes to the 22nd Budokai. Tenshinhan and Chaotzu were there to humiliate the Kame school in revenge for Tao Pai Pai's loss. The Universe 6 arc lacked any of that. And, like I mentioned above, in all of those cases the main opponents had matches throughout the tournament, rather than being left to the end.

There were still no stakes since it was all a glorified training session. Roshi was nothing like Beerus since Beerus was trying to kill Goku and threatened the Earth.

Tien and Chaotzu had a personal connection, but they only slightly raised the stakes.

Baba's tournament only had the strongest fight once. Hit got three official matches.

U6 had as much stakes as all the other tournaments outside the 23red.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

You're sticking awful close to buzz-words and numbers now. I'm curious, why do you think something has to be world-changing to qualify as stakes? Because you're factually dead wrong.

[Noah]

Is there anything relevant in this?

[HeroR]

For the record, it was far, far weaker. Very little drama, just fighting for the sake of fighting. That being said, it was and is still a fun arc to watch. I think people were a little too tension-hungry at the time, that's why it seemed like such a disappointment.

The 21st tournament also had no stakes, no drama, and was a glorified training setting for Goku and Krillin. The 22nd hardly had any stakes outside of Tien's grudge against Goku. Both tournaments also happened for the sake of fighting. If we count Baba's tournament, there was no real stakes or drama either since Goku could have solo the whole thing. Only the 23rd tournament had any real stakes and drama.

What? I'm honestly astounded that you could even make that claim. Let me go one at a time:

Stakes - I suspect that when you say there are no stakes, you mean that there's nothing literally threatening to destroy the planet. That's not what stakes are, it's not dependent on some big bad super-villain coming to destroy the planet. The stakes for the 21st are self-improvement, building of the mind and spirit, experience, something that's conveyed remarkably well. As for the 22nd, the stake is the honor of the Turtle School. They can't let the underhanded tactics of the Crane School prevail, sullying not only the Turtle Hermit, but his legacy, his teachings, and his students. They may not have an effect on the universe in any significant way, but the consequences from losing are much more human, and are just as legitimate.

Drama - I could go on all day about how you're wrong here, so I'll just name the characters who have their own drama mini-arcs running simultaneously with both tournaments: Nam, Roshi, Kuririn, Goku, Yamcha, Tenshinhan

The Baba Tournament... well, I honestly don't remember Goku's performance there, but the stakes exist independent of Goku's wins. He wasn't strong enough that a loss would have been unthinkable

Goku wasn't expected to win the 21st tournament. Roshi even said not to win. There were no stakes for Goku losing other than ego. So there was no stakes.

No one gave two craps about the school rivalry by the middle of the tournament. Even then, Goku didn't fight for the Turtle School honor.

None except the Tien one had drama because it didn't matter if Goku lost the 21st tournament since it was a glorified training session. Goku lost, oh well, better luck next time.

Unthinkable, maybe. But still had no real stakes since Goku could've just tried again later. Heck, he could have gone as soon as he lost.

[HeroR]

You're sticking awful close to buzz-words and numbers now. I'm curious, why do you think something has to be world-changing to qualify as stakes? Because you're factually dead wrong.

What buzz word and numbers. And when did I say something had to be world ending to have stakes.

The 21st tournament had no stakes, that a factual truth. If Goku lost, it would have been a blow to his ego, but a learning experience. He wasn't suppose to win anyway.

22nd tournament had some stakes because Tien wanted to kill Goku, but that got resolved before the match ended.

Baba's tournament. If Goku lost, he had to start over in order to get Baba's help. Kind of sucks, but not the worse thing in the world.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

The 21st tournament also had no stakes, no drama, and was a glorified training setting for Goku and Krillin. The 22nd hardly had any stakes outside of Tien's grudge against Goku. Both tournaments also happened for the sake of fighting. If we count Baba's tournament, there was no real stakes or drama either since Goku could have solo the whole thing. Only the 23rd tournament had any real stakes and drama.

What? I'm honestly astounded that you could even make that claim. Let me go one at a time:

Stakes - I suspect that when you say there are no stakes, you mean that there's nothing literally threatening to destroy the planet. That's not what stakes are, it's not dependent on some big bad super-villain coming to destroy the planet. The stakes for the 21st are self-improvement, building of the mind and spirit, experience, something that's conveyed remarkably well. As for the 22nd, the stake is the honor of the Turtle School. They can't let the underhanded tactics of the Crane School prevail, sullying not only the Turtle Hermit, but his legacy, his teachings, and his students. They may not have an effect on the universe in any significant way, but the consequences from losing are much more human, and are just as legitimate.

Drama - I could go on all day about how you're wrong here, so I'll just name the characters who have their own drama mini-arcs running simultaneously with both tournaments: Nam, Roshi, Kuririn, Goku, Yamcha, Tenshinhan

The Baba Tournament... well, I honestly don't remember Goku's performance there, but the stakes exist independent of Goku's wins. He wasn't strong enough that a loss would have been unthinkable

Goku wasn't expected to win the 21st tournament. Roshi even said not to win. There were no stakes for Goku losing other than ego. So there was no stakes.

No one gave two craps about the school rivalry by the middle of the tournament. Even then, Goku didn't fight for the Turtle School honor.

None except the Tien one had drama because it didn't matter if Goku lost the 21st tournament since it was a glorified training session. Goku lost, oh well, better luck next time.

Unthinkable, maybe. But still had no real stakes since Goku could've just tried again later. Heck, he could have gone as soon as he lost.

Your whole position boils down to "He could have done X differently" or "I don't like this", therefore, they aren't stakes. Very little you've said actually has anything to do with stakes, though. You're just frantically apologizing for the U6 Arc because you enjoyed it more. That's fine, but you're making yourself look ignorant because you lack understanding of why things like self-improvement matter, or why one would want to defend their honor, or avenge a friend. For some of us, personal implications for the characters are more potent. Just because you're in the Splodey Camp doesn't mean that nothing else can qualify as stakes, it means that you understand the big flashy threats better than the character-driven ones.