The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[Ki Breaker]

Give an explanation of why this would happen

• Namek Freeza vs serious goten

• Android 16 vs frost

• Ultimate Gohan vs Base goku

• Spopovich vs Roshi

• name the strongest person videl can beat

[TheUltimateNinja]

Give an explanation of why this would happen

• Namek Freeza vs serious goten

• Android 16 vs frost

• Ultimate Gohan vs Base goku

• Spopovich vs Roshi

• name the strongest person videl can beat

- Goten completely annihilates him in one shot. Goten as a child has already reached MSSJ and is capable of giving Gohan a good workout and even makes Gohan worry that he'll be surpassed soon. Trunks, who is comparable to Goten, was able to land a hit on Vegeta fairly quickly while Vegeta had his guard up. This would place the kids at the very least close to half of the adults, and at this point the adults are so far beyond Frieza they could oneshot him without even using a tenth of their power. Goten wins easily.

- Frost destroys 16, 16 is comparable to Imperfect Cell (Post) who is much weaker than Semi Perfect Cell who is in turn a good deal weaker than Super Vegeta who is weaker than Piccolo (Post RoSAT). Even if Piccolo didn't improve at all since the Cell Arc, Frost's performance against him would place him far above 16, however Piccolo has become much stronger since then so this fight is basically just a complete curbstomp.

- Goku destroys him easily, Goku absorbed the power of SSG and is capable of using it in base, this places him above even SSJ3 Vegetto, let alone Ultimate Gohan.

- Roshi destroys him, Majin Spopovich is at best comparable to early-mid DB grunts whereas Roshi has recently shown himself to be much stronger than Frieza's soldiers.

- Mr. Satan, being pretty much an average human she can't really beat anyone tougher than that.

[apex_pretador]

Give an explanation of why this would happen

• Namek Freeza vs serious goten

• Android 16 vs frost

• Ultimate Gohan vs Base goku

• Spopovich vs Roshi

• name the strongest person videl can beat

• Goten easily wins. Goten was able to contend with Super Saiyan gohan briefly, and was only slightly weaker than trunks (who scared the hell out of #18 with a suppressed blast)

• Frost takes android with a punch. He totally outclassed piccolo, who himself is far stronger than 16

• Current? Goku was as strong as copy vegeta who lolstomped SS3 gotenks who rivals gohan. Goku wins.

• Roshi wins. Barring flight, spopovich is inferior to beginning of DB goku in every way.

• Satan

[dragonball0900]

Give an explanation of why this would happen

• Namek Freeza vs serious goten

• Android 16 vs frost

• Ultimate Gohan vs Base goku

• Spopovich vs Roshi

• name the strongest person videl can beat

1. Goten wins even without being serious. A heavily supressed ki blast from SSJ Trunks managed to scare A18. I just don't get why people think Goten and Trunks are Frieza level, when actually they have to be even stronger than A18. They are probably just below Semi Perfect Cell!

2. Frost wins obviously.

3. Ultimate Gohan, again obviously. Although if it's Base Goku from Dragon Ball Super, then Goku takes this.

4. 22nd Budokai is a stomp. I have Roshi from the 21st Budokai to have a chance to win as well though. Spopovich is just a human with majin power, who is just stronger than Videl, who is stronger than Mr Satan, who can easily be weaker than Goku from the beggining of Dragon Ball since he couldn't resist a bullet. I just don't see Videl manage to resist a bullet as well, so maybe Spopovich is somewhere between Beggining of Dragon Ball Goku and 21st Budokai Goku.

5. The strongest person I think Videl can beat is just his father. Or maybe any random soldier of the Red Ribbon Army if they don't have guns. I just don't see her surpassing Goku from the beggining of DB, not even Yamcha from the same arc.

[TheUltimateNinja]

• Spopovich.

Satan is stronger than regular Spopovich, and Videl can't beat Majin Spopovich.

[apex_pretador]

• Spopovich.

Satan is stronger than regular Spopovich, and Videl can't beat Majin Spopovich.

Valid point.

[dragonball0900]

I have another one:

Piccolo (Cell Games) vs USSJ Trunks (with slowing weakness)

Piccolo (Cell Games) vs USSJ Trunks (without the slowing weakness)

[Ki Breaker]

I have another one:

Piccolo (Cell Games) vs USSJ Trunks (with slowing weakness)

Piccolo (Cell Games) vs USSJ Trunks (without the slowing weakness)

1- piccolo wins
2- basically trunks ss2 vs ss level piccolo
Trunks wins

[dragonball0900]

I have another one:

Piccolo (Cell Games) vs USSJ Trunks (with slowing weakness)

Piccolo (Cell Games) vs USSJ Trunks (without the slowing weakness)

1- piccolo wins
2- basically trunks ss2 vs ss level piccolo
Trunks wins

Yeah, I agree too.

[TheUltimateNinja]

I have another one:

Piccolo (Cell Games) vs USSJ Trunks (with slowing weakness)

Piccolo (Cell Games) vs USSJ Trunks (without the slowing weakness)

1: Piccolo wins fairly easily.

2: Close fight, Trunks has the advantage in brute strength, but Piccolo should be able to win with strategy and attacks like the Makankosappo.

[dragonball0900]

I have another one:

Piccolo (Cell Games) vs USSJ Trunks (with slowing weakness)

Piccolo (Cell Games) vs USSJ Trunks (without the slowing weakness)

1: Piccolo wins fairly easily.

2: Close fight, Trunks has the advantage in brute strength, but Piccolo should be able to win with strategy and attacks like the Makankosappo.

Yeah, I agree too. Piccolo has great strategy and it's a very smart fighter. Although with Trunks' power level and the great speed he would would have, it would be a very close fight.

[dragon boss z]

Give an explanation of why this would happen

• Namek Freeza vs serious goten

• Android 16 vs frost

• Ultimate Gohan vs Base goku

• Spopovich vs Roshi

• name the strongest person videl can beat

Frieza wins. Goten still hasn't proven he is stronger, and even if he is Frieza planet busts.

Frost was quite a bit above Super Piccolo who should be above 16 at that point.

Base Goku should be above ultimate Gohan after absorbing god ki.

Roshi easily beats Spopovich. It's a moon buster vs a medium sized rock buster, lol.

Videl can beat Mr. Satan.

[dragonball0900]

Frieza wins. Goten still hasn't proven he is stronger, and even if he is Frieza planet busts.

A heavily supressed ki blast from SSJ Trunks managed to scare A18, SSJ Goten is just a bit below SSJ Trunks, so techinacally Goten and Trunks as SSJ's should be much stronger than A18, but weaker in base.

[dragon boss z]

Frieza wins. Goten still hasn't proven he is stronger, and even if he is Frieza planet busts.

A heavily supressed ki blast from SSJ Trunks managed to scare A18, SSJ Goten is just a bit below SSJ Trunks, so techinacally Goten and Trunks as SSJ's should be much stronger than A18, but weaker in base.

She never said she was scared. She was just surprised at their power. Also Frieza has stronger ki blasts than 18 anyways so it doesn't mean much.

[Cetra]

She never said she was scared. She was just surprised at their power. Also Frieza has stronger ki blasts than 18 anyways so it doesn't mean much.

He is talking about Namek Freeza. Namek Freeza is not stronger than 18.

[dragonball0900]

Frieza wins. Goten still hasn't proven he is stronger, and even if he is Frieza planet busts.

A heavily supressed ki blast from SSJ Trunks managed to scare A18, SSJ Goten is just a bit below SSJ Trunks, so techinacally Goten and Trunks as SSJ's should be much stronger than A18, but weaker in base.

She never said she was scared. She was just surprised at their power. Also Frieza has stronger ki blasts than 18 anyways so it doesn't mean much.

But SSJ Trunks was supressed, and a lot. They hardly use any of their power. Also 18 is much much stronger than Frieza.

[dragon boss z]

She never said she was scared. She was just surprised at their power. Also Frieza has stronger ki blasts than 18 anyways so it doesn't mean much.

He is talking about Namek Freeza. Namek Freeza is not stronger than 18.

He's not stronger, but his ki blasts are more powerful. 18 is just faster and physically stronger. Neither android even used ki attacks in battle in the manga and they don't have normal ki. There is no proof they are even planet busters. 18 would definitely win in a fight (as long as Frieza doesn't planet bust), but she can't make the massive explosions like Frieza can.

[dragon boss z]

But SSJ Trunks was supressed, and a lot. They hardly use any of their power. Also 18 is much much stronger than Frieza.

We don't know how much he was suppressed. And yes 18 is stronger than Frieza (probably 2x stronger imo), but Frieza has better ki attacks. The androids don't even have real ki, which is why they can't be sensed.

[dragonball0900]

But SSJ Trunks was supressed, and a lot. They hardly use any of their power. Also 18 is much much stronger than Frieza.

We don't know how much he was suppressed. And yes 18 is stronger than Frieza (probably 2x stronger imo), but Frieza has better ki attacks. The androids don't even have real ki, which is why they can't be sensed.

It was implied in the manga that both A18 and Vegeta would be capale of destroying the earth during their fight. Also considering Goku trained a lot during the 3 years for the Androids and got even more stronger than before, and 18 is very much stronger than that, then there has to be a large gap between them.

Frieza < SSJ Namek Goku <= Mecha Frieza << SSJ Trunks < SSJ Yadrat Goku << SSJ Goku <= SSJ Vegeta < A18

We also know how Trunks is suppressed. Trunks himself stated how much he was supressed, he outright said it in the manga that he was going to throw a very weak ki blast to 18 (as SSJ obviously). Goten had doubts that it was going to kill her, but Trunks said that considering is 18, she would still manage to battle.

[dragon boss z]

It was implied in the manga that both A18 and Vegeta would be capale of destroying the earth during their fight.

No, it was only implied that if ssj Vegeta didn't hold back his ki blasts he would destroy the whole planet.

Also considering Goku trained a lot during the 3 years for the Androids and got even more stronger than before, and 18 is very much stronger than that, then there has to be a large gap between them.

We don't know how much stronger he got. I think he might of went from 150 mil to 200 mil. And the androids weren't that much stronger, their infinite energy just made it impossible to beat them unless you were quite a bit stronger than them. I would say they were only like 20% stronger than ssj Goku and Vegeta.

Frieza < SSJ Namek Goku <= Mecha Frieza << SSJ Trunks < SSJ Yadrat Goku << SSJ Goku <= SSJ Vegeta < A18

mecha Frieza isn't stronger than ssj Goku and mecha Frieza was killed while suppressed (confirmed by Gohan).



Also ssj Goku could of been stronger than ssj _Vegeta. Vegeta just said he was stronger because he is the prince of all saiyans therefore he should be stronger since he is a ssj too.



supressed mecha Frieza<<<100% Frieza<100% mecha Frieza<ssj namek Goku<=ssj Trunks<ssj Yadrat Goku<ssj Vegeta<=>ssj Goku<18

We also know how Trunks is suppressed. Trunks himself stated how much he was supressed, he outright said it in the manga that he was going to throw a very weak ki blast to 18 (as SSJ obviously). Goten had doubts that it was going to kill her, but Trunks said that considering is 18, she would still manage to battle.

I know he held back, I said we don't know how much he held back. It could of been 80% of his power, 50%, or 30%, we don't know.

And this translation has Trunks saying they are at a disadvantage if they don't use ki blasts.