"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

[kidhero1000]

Nah, he's just a big stupid chump in this version.

Yeah I'm starting to see the flaws in Toyo's writing, these last two arcs now he's handled the enemies pretty poorly compared the anime. Honestly just wish he would stay ahead of the anime because it feels like he's changing things for the sake of being different from the anime. People tend to forget he changed BoG so we know he's not opposed to making changes to Toriyama's outline.

As much as i find Toyotaro a mediocre (at best) mangaka, i don't think he's entirely to blame, as he's probably being told to make it deliberately different. I mean, he's just "that guy drawing the promotional manga" in the big scheme of things, and might be struggling with all the requests and time restraints.

I'll concede to that line of thought. But even so when it comes to the final major battle of the story arc, he tends to shit the bed. Whether it's him deciding to put his own spin on things to be hip/different, or not.

[Abra kadabra]

Yeah I'm starting to see the flaws in Toyo's writing, these last two arcs now he's handled the enemies pretty poorly compared the anime. Honestly just wish he would stay ahead of the anime because it feels like he's changing things for the sake of being different from the anime. People tend to forget he changed BoG so we know he's not opposed to making changes to Toriyama's outline.

As much as i find Toyotaro a mediocre (at best) mangaka, i don't think he's entirely to blame, as he's probably being told to make it deliberately different. I mean, he's just "that guy drawing the promotional manga" in the big scheme of things, and might be struggling with all the requests and time restraints.

I'll concede to that line of thought. But even so when it comes to the final major battle of the story arc, he tends to shit the bed. Whether it's him deciding to put his own spin on things to be hip/different, or not.

Have you got an example of him "shitting the bed"?

[Legion]

The chapter will come out tomorrow?

[Acetona]

I like Black with SSJ2 way more than SSJR, which I find really dumb, as it is implied to be just his SSJ form, why would it be any different?
And the way he acts here is much more enjoyable, he's not "I had this all prepared" or "I can overcome everything" guy as in the anime, which I find extremely annoying and made me hate him with all my forces. I actually like Black's manga self.
I really hope there won't be any of that Rosé or Ikari no Super Power thingy here. If Vegetto is bound to happen, let him finish everything for God's sake.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

I like Black with SSJ2 way more than SSJR, which I find really dumb, as it is implied to be just his SSJ form, why would it be any different?
And the way he acts here is much more enjoyable, he's not "I had this all prepared" or "I can overcome everything" guy as in the anime, which I find extremely annoying and made me hate him with all my forces. I actually like Black's manga self.
I really hope there won't be any of that Rosé or Ikari no Super Power thingy here. If Vegetto is bound to happen, let him finish everything for God's sake.

I've liked Zamasu/Black in the manga so far, but there's almost no tension, and that's a problem in an arc that relies on tension.

[ParkerAL]

Well, we largely already know what's going to happen, so the lack of tension might just be from reading through the story again for a second time, so soon after it concluded in the anime.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

Well, we largely already know what's going to happen, so the lack of tension might just be from reading through the story again for a second time, so soon after it concluded in the anime.

I was trying to be pretty objective, but no, the tension died sometime in chapter 18. They find out who Black is (understandable, but still a little quick). Now, in 19, Vegeta's kicking the absolute shit out of Black. Unless something changes in January (or in the unleaked pages, I guess), the manga version of this arc is cooked.

[Abra kadabra]

I like Black with SSJ2 way more than SSJR, which I find really dumb, as it is implied to be just his SSJ form, why would it be any different?
And the way he acts here is much more enjoyable, he's not "I had this all prepared" or "I can overcome everything" guy as in the anime, which I find extremely annoying and made me hate him with all my forces. I actually like Black's manga self.
I really hope there won't be any of that Rosé or Ikari no Super Power thingy here. If Vegetto is bound to happen, let him finish everything for God's sake.

Lol no. I hope it happens exactly frame for frame like the anime. And it most likely will

[LightBing]

Well, we largely already know what's going to happen, so the lack of tension might just be from reading through the story again for a second time, so soon after it concluded in the anime.

That's a big part of it. Which is why the mystery complain is quite weird, the manga had nothing to work with. Merit as to be given to the anime, they tried to milk all the tension and lived from emotional beats together with cliffhangers. Of course that was at the expense of logic and good storytelling.

The path the manga seems to be taking is our guys have the upper hand now, with the arrival of Zamasu it will turn around until possibly Vegetto. While the anime had the good guys losing a couple of times and barely escaping. I think the tension in the manga is still to come, although it won't ever reach what the anime did. How everyone likes it is about preference.

[TheMikado]

Well, we largely already know what's going to happen, so the lack of tension might just be from reading through the story again for a second time, so soon after it concluded in the anime.

I was trying to be pretty objective, but no, the tension died sometime in chapter 18. They find out who Black is (understandable, but still a little quick). Now, in 19, Vegeta's kicking the absolute shit out of Black. Unless something changes in January (or in the unleaked pages, I guess), the manga version of this arc is cooked.

It feels like the Buu arc to me when the saiyans were tanking everything Badidi through at them and you started getting bored. Then so unexpected twists and thing got real crazy really fast. I expect whatever happens in the manga it will actually feel substantial and threatening

[OLKv3]

We're getting SSJR next month most likely. Tori's notes for Black said he uses regular SSJ as well as SSR. Toei just skipped SSJ. Black and Zamasu are gonna beat down our heroes next month. I still think Trunks and Mai are gonna be the ones running to the past while Goku and Vegeta hold on in the future.

[dbzfan7]

Well, we largely already know what's going to happen, so the lack of tension might just be from reading through the story again for a second time, so soon after it concluded in the anime.

That's a big part of it. Which is why the mystery complain is quite weird, the manga had nothing to work with. Merit as to be given to the anime, they tried to milk all the tension and lived from emotional beats together with cliffhangers. Of course that was at the expense of logic and good storytelling.

The path the manga seems to be taking is our guys have the upper hand now, with the arrival of Zamasu it will turn around until possibly Vegetto. While the anime had the good guys losing a couple of times and barely escaping. I think the tension in the manga is still to come, although it won't ever reach what the anime did. How everyone likes it is about preference.

Which is a shame...though hopefully when the they turn things against Goku and the others, we don't have them go back to the past. Them constantly getting away from the bad guys made them feel incompetent. Though they were more of a threat in the anime. Though perhaps Black grows further now after fighting Blue since the memo mentioned an SSJ and Rose form for Black. I don't like Rose at all, but it looks like it is coming back...fuck...Also makes more sense here I suppose as Black doesn't suddenly get to Rose level out of fucking nowhere. Here he gets his shit kicked in, and then like with Goku probably got a taste of the god form stuff now.

Though really there's quite a few ups and downs that I have a hard time deciding my thoughts on the manga version right now...

[Acetona]

I like Black with SSJ2 way more than SSJR, which I find really dumb, as it is implied to be just his SSJ form, why would it be any different?
And the way he acts here is much more enjoyable, he's not "I had this all prepared" or "I can overcome everything" guy as in the anime, which I find extremely annoying and made me hate him with all my forces. I actually like Black's manga self.
I really hope there won't be any of that Rosé or Ikari no Super Power thingy here. If Vegetto is bound to happen, let him finish everything for God's sake.

Lol no. I hope it happens exactly frame for frame like the anime. And it most likely will

I'm not gonna argue about your opinion, but I just can't accept the way Trunks defeated Zamasu. We went for 42 volumes and 3 arcs on Super without using that stupid friendship power trope, we could perfectly continue this way. IMO, this trope has no place in this franchise, DB was mostly never about friends supporting eachother, it was more like a bunch of arrogant guys doing as they pleased, and that's the charm of DB for me, it stands out quite uniquely among the myriad of battle shounen we have.

I've liked Zamasu/Black in the manga so far, but there's almost no tension, and that's a problem in an arc that relies on tension.

Yeah, but I blame that on the manga schedule, it being monthly while having to being close to the anime really hurts its pacing. But I still take this fast paced no tension mess over that crappy bad written no-DB esque mess we got on the anime.

We're getting SSJR next month most likely. Tori's notes for Black said he uses regular SSJ as well as SSR. Toei just skipped SSJ.

Nooooo

Black and Zamasu are gonna beat down our heroes next month. I still think Trunks and Mai are gonna be the ones running to the past while Goku and Vegeta hold on in the future.

Is it confirmed that someone is going back to present? Because I don't want this to be overused like Toei did...

[OLKv3]

No, it's all just my predictions. Nothing's been confirmed. Just thinking that because of Vegeta's line last chapter telling Trunks that they may need him to retreat if things go bad

[mikey4111]

Would of been cool if Black used SS3. The dark outlining of his eyes with the long hair would of been dope.

[SansrivaaL]

So it seems Toriyama mentioned that Black is supposed to have a normal SSJ form, why the hell did the anime miss the opportunity to show that.

[HeroR]

So it seems Toriyama mentioned that Black is supposed to have a normal SSJ form, why the hell did the anime miss the opportunity to show that.

Because Black in the anime is a no-nonsense villain. He may play with his food to a point, but he doesn't screw around often. You noticed that the moment he got Rose he almost never fights in his base form again. The only time he specifically messed around for a long period of time is against Goku, who he wanted to learn from so he took his time.

[SansrivaaL]

So it seems Toriyama mentioned that Black is supposed to have a normal SSJ form, why the hell did the anime miss the opportunity to show that.

Because Black in the anime is a no-nonsense villain. He may play with his food to a point, but he doesn't screw around often. You noticed that the moment he got Rose he almost never fights in his base form again. The only time he specifically messed around for a long period of time is against Goku, who he wanted to learn from so he took his time.

Still he could have went SSJ against his first fight with Goku, or against Trunks at the beggining seeing as Trunks was supposed to be higher than current SSJ2 Goku, why have him fight in base and instantly go rose, besides he was too strong in the anime that he basically took punches from SSJB Vegeta and shroved it off like nothing even able to deliver a kick that pushed Vegeta quite a distance, no matter where I look at it, its still odd. We even see him interested in fighting with Goku over and over so he could have had a chance to go SSJ first, like I said, odd. If Toei wanted to they coulda found a way for him to go SSJ since they even made his base freaking OP.

[dragonballgeek]

Super Saiyan Goku Black officially colored.

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Can't say I am not impressed

Same. Toyotaro's artwork is simply and utterly awesome. Having it colored is just the cherry on top of the cake for me.

.....Are you guys saying you like this?? Is this real?

[Bansho64]

Yeah, after taking another look, I'm not really a fan of the colors. But I do think a Super Saiyan look on Black can work beautifully.