Super Animation Catalogue 2.0

[Khin]

Re — Tate hate.

I'm really tired to seeing this every time a Tate episode is coming. Just checked out a certain website I constantly visit and literally the first thing I saw is a guy complaining because the guy "who animated episode 5'" is back for next episode. Can't blame them because I was as ignorant as back then (I remember saying the same thing in the episode #11 thread a year ago). God that was very embarrassing.

My opinion on Tate has flipped after his cut in #26. The only Tate episode I dislike so far is episode 5 and that's pretty self-explanatory. Aside from that, episode #65 is the only Tate episode that I didn't like that much. But that's probably because that episode barely have any hand-to-hand action and his involvement in #63 likely affected that episode.

[Yomi]

Because they don't know how Japanese animation actually works. They don't understand the importance of composition, framing, effects, timing, and what have you. Naoki Tate is one of Toei's finest animators, because he understood the basic of drawing key animation. H'es a storyteller, not the fans.

They are not willing to understand that different can be a good thing.

Not only that, he's also got a really good grasp on the 12 principles. People are weird.

[ArchedThunder]

A lot of it comes from the ignorance of what animation is. People see art that doesn't match the character designs so they say it's bad animation.

Though I will say some of Tate's art in the NEP does seem kinda off to me.

[Gashif Aldi]

After seeing Tate. His animation is fantastic. But, what it'll look like if the schedule isn't a nightmare?
I've never seen Tate with his full potential (Fantastic animation with good art). Most of Tate work on modern DB is always corrected by Yammamuro. But, in the other side he didn't get enough time to do his animating and got blamed by a thousands of people.

[JazzMazz]

#71

Well that was really conservative, while also being really polished in it's own right.

I saw fair bit of Ishikawa in the first half of the episode, but I feel like a lot of the second half was dominated by Shimanuki (espicially during the end of the episode).

Really liked the re-use of footage from previous episodes, that seems like a smart move to me. Combined with the fact there was a lot of standing around throughout the episode, made it look like they were trying to be as conservative as possible.

There were a fair few scenes that could probably have been tidied up a little, but even those weren't particularly terrible either.

Overall a very solid, conservative episode with only a few scenes that could probably have been done a little better (also, really enjoyed the direction of the episode, I feel like it made up for how conservative the episode was).

Next week looks like Tate and Karasawa, I also think I might have spotted some Takeo Ide in the preview.

Best scene from the preview for me, was the debris effects around that exploding mountain. They looked absolutely gorgeous and I can't wait to see the rest of what Tate has done for the episode.

[Noah]

Well, I'm one of those that didn't appreciate much of Tate work till Episode 47, nowadays I'd think he's indeed a good animator, but his art is bad to my tastes.

[ArchedThunder]

After having some time to sit on it and rewatching the NEP in HD the only issue I have with the NEP in terms of Tate is that shot where he gave Goku Vegeta's face, other than that his art is nice and his line work doesn't seem to exhibit the issues it usually has when he is noticeably rushed and the motion looks pretty nice.
I quite like these Hit shots from him
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[cuartas]

Terrible art in the NEP, Tate is all over the place

[ArchedThunder]

I made a post on another site about how Tate's animation isn't bad, he just has a different artstyle and I was met with people replying that his art is bad and then had someone post an ugly inbetween from Goku Vs Cell in Z with the sarcastic reply "Is this a style too?"
This fanbase is incredibly aggravating sometimes.

[JazzMazz]

I made a post on another site about how Tate's animation isn't bad, he just has a different artstyle and I was met with people replying that his art is bad and then had someone post an ugly inbetween from Goku Vs Cell in Z with the sarcastic reply "Is this a style too?"
This fanbase is incredibly aggravating sometimes.

It is definitely one of the worst out there. (the guys on this topic are cool though)

[OLKv3]

Tate's art for Super has been terrible, his animation is fluid but man the characters always look awful

[Jinzoningen MULE]

Not really, just off-model. The artwork tends to be a little disproportional at its worst, but never has it been bad other than Ep.5 and the RoSaT scene.

[kinisking]

I don't even notice the art that much because the animation takes my attention away. I wouldn't want him animating the whole series but I think a guy like Tate is great every now and then

[SansrivaaL]

Cant blame a lot of people hating on Tate, I dont hate him but I dont like his work at all, none of his works even stood out for me but I can notice if he's in it because of the horrible art (wait, I guess you can say he stood out for me, in a bad way since I can tell if its his work based from the art )

[Bansho64]

Okay, we got some Tate coming in. I can't say I'm excited because I'm honestly not a fan of the guy's work in Super. The animation is fluid but the simple designs and the art isn't working for me. It's just not what I like. I know how animation works and I know what the norm is nowadays, but it doesn't change that it's just not what I find the most appealing. I'm sorry guys but that's just me.

BUT, I'd rather we have him for the next episode rather than someone else who'd do it worse.

[Saikyo no Senshi]

The Hit part in the second half where he kills the fat guy was neat. Cool backgrounds and atmosphere. I don't completely recognize Kakudou's style, but I'm assuming he boarded that part. Animation wise, it was conservative as many have said already. It was serviceable.

And, I see the "Tate is off-model, so he is bad" nonsense has already started. But, I'm not getting into that stupid debate. The NEP looks promising and I so so hope Tate isn't corrected. Unfiltered Tate is best Tate.

[Nekis13]

I know that the Faulconer "Running home from school for Toonami" boys
can be a bit retarded sometimes, but this is ridiculous.

I don't post here but, oh my god.

[A Man named RJ]

Because they don't know how Japanese animation actually works. They don't understand the importance of composition, framing, effects, timing, and what have you. Naoki Tate is one of Toei's finest animators, because he understood the basic of drawing key animation. H'es a storyteller, not the fans.

They are not willing to understand that different can be a good thing.

Actually in most cases they dont know how ANY animation works.

this little gem of a video here made me want to drive a nail into my eyes with how bad it was. Dude was pausing on SHIDA'S (of all people's) inbetweens, because ONE image had a wonky face. Oh yeah and dont even get me started on zooming in super close to find faults.

Oh yeah: and comparing 1 - 2 cour shows to a show with over 700 episodes.

Shit like this having so many likes proves that despite anime fans wanting anime to be a "viable and serious" art form, they have NO idea of the actual work that goes INTO the artform, which makes me very sad to see. Fortunately seems the Sakuga and production fanbase (like this fine board here) have begun to take a hold in the vocabulary of bigger youtubers. Gigguk, Mother's Basement, Digibro, SuperEyepatch Wolf, The Canipa Effect, etc. Anybody who questions super's production get directed here (or to one of Ajay's videos) from me, and Sakugabooru, as well as animators corner (for non-dragon ball) being a thing makes life sooooooooo great. This site even has a nice comparison and breakdown between different animators old and new.

Now if only people like Forneverworld, King of Lighnting, and D4 anime could BTFO forever, or actually add substance to their videos other than "OH EM GEE YOOOOOOOOO!" or "DIS SAWKS" That'd be great.

they have the most subscribers but always the least to say. reaction channels are always awful anyway. Due to my skeptical nature I like to wait on information before finalizing it - they will just go out and announce it to be the first, and this in turn leads to a MASSIVE amount of people getting incomplete, biased information. They're almost as bad as the "MADHOUSE NEEDS TO ANIMATE" crowd!

UGHHH!

As me and my pals over at the University say: Anime fans fuckin suck!
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Bit more On topic:
That PV made me reallly sad to see. not a hint of animation looks like something a freshman art student could pull off in roughly 3 hours. I pray it's not a sign of broken production issues.

[cuartas]

Okay, we got some Tate coming in. I can't say I'm excited because I'm honestly not a fan of the guy's work in Super. The animation is fluid but the simple designs and the art isn't working for me. It's just not what I like.

BUT, I'd rather we have him for the next episode rather than someone else who'd do it worse.

I'd rather to have higashide as supervisor

[Amir]

NEP looks really bad, like episode 26 bad. But it's Tate so no wonder. His art doesn't match the characters designs, it looks so ugly to the point the characters don't look like themselves. The art itself has no details and the effects look ugly as always. This is gonna be one of the worst looking episodes of Super.