"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

[Abra kadabra]

I agree. The manga also lacks Nozawa (obviously), which was a huge part of Black's awesomeness IMO.

Agree here too
Though, both Hit AND Black aren't as powerful as their anime counterparts, from what it seems. At least Black's power is more consistent in the manga, as in the anime, he goes from being very hurt from SS2 Goku to flat out tanking SSB Vegeta's attacks, then overwhelming Goku, Vegeta and Trunks then to being dominated by Vegeta before fusing. As nice as Black was in the anime, I admit, his power was all over the place in the anime.

The reason Black got overwhelmed by Vegeta was because Vegeta trained in the ROSAT and got stronger.

I was under the impression that training in the ROSAT wasn't the reason vegeta got stronger and that it was through anger. Black comments on it, then proceeds to do the same successfully. If I'm wrong, someone please correct me but wasn't it stated in Z that training by yourself in the ROSAT was ineffective and didn't vegeta himself say that that they could spend their whole lives in there and only receive miniscule gains?

[HeroR]

I was under the impression that training in the ROSAT wasn't the reason vegeta got stronger and that it was through anger. Black comments on it, then proceeds to do the same successfully. If I'm wrong, someone please correct me but wasn't it stated in Z that training by yourself in the ROSAT was ineffective and didn't vegeta himself say that that they could spend their whole lives in there and only receive miniscule gains?

Black concluded that Vegeta's anger fueled his need to get stronger. Basically, he's saying that Vegeta broke his previous limits because he was angry at what Black has done and it made him stronger.

[Freeza9000]

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Black: “[l] You even know about that, huh?...”
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Goku: “[r] Then it’s true! [l] Which means there must be a version of me in your body. What happened to him?!”
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Black: “Don’t worry, I immediately killed him.”
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Goku: “[r] …Damn. [l] Guess that means I gotta avenge my own death.”

Well, I guess Black telling the whole story on how he became to be in the manga lacks the overall impact the anime had. Remember when Black and Zamasu was pinning Goku to a wall, Black telling the whole story on how he killed Goku and his family, mercilessly impaling Goku through the torso, and Goku having that rage boost? We got none of that in the manga which is disappointing. I'm not expecting the manga to follow the exact same events like the anime, but goddamn the manga lacks so much of that tension the anime has.

Black: “So, in this world…”
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Black: “My word is law!!”
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Black: “DAAAA!!!”

Vegeta: “We don’t need a god pushing his own warped sense of justice on us.”
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Black: “[r] Shut up…[l] Shut up, mortal!!”
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Black: “Gods are absolute!!!”
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Black: “[r] As a god, all my actions [l] Are righteous!!!”

Ohh god, Goku Black in the manga version of the story is basically no different than how Future Zamasu acts. Going into 24/7 motive rants and all. At least with Future Zamasu, I can get behind since he's literally immortal and is nearly impossible to defeat. With Goku Black doing his motive rant about how "righteous" he is, he was getting his ass kicked by SSJB Vegeta. This is just as tedious like when Super Vegeta was kicking Semi-Perfect Cell's ass and Cell throwing constant tantrums. In the anime, Goku Black does not go into much motive rants as his manga counterpart and even when he gets his ass kicked, he still laughs it off and created a scythe.

Super mysterious person: “But this will take you one step closer to your ultimate form, right?”

I guess this implies that Goku Black might achieve Super Saiyan Rose?

Kaioshin: “Zamasu!”
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Kaioshin: “I’ve seen your future.”
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Gowasu: “The…The future...?”
Kaioshin: “Zamasu will go on to commit countless evil deeds.”

Ahh, looks like the story has made some use of you, huh, Kaioshin of U7?

[Abra kadabra]

Goku black did the motive rants as well maybe even more than f. Zamasu. I just watched the Scythe scene and he was laying it on thick.

Which makes sense because they're both zamasu

[Freeza9000]

Goku black did the motive rants as well maybe even more than f. Zamasu. I just watched the Scythe scene and he was laying it on thick.

At least he wasn't getting as humiliated and wasted like he was in the manga while doing his motive rants.

[HeroR]

Goku black did the motive rants as well maybe even more than f. Zamasu. I just watched the Scythe scene and he was laying it on thick.

Which makes sense because they're both zamasu

Black had three motive rants. The first being when he talks about his Zero Mortal Plan with Future Zamasu and then his rant to Future Trunks about him being a sinner for using time travel. The third was him using his anger to get stronger, so this rant actually had a practical purpose.

Future Zamasu had at least four motive rants in Episode 47 alone. He had two in Episode 61 with Black. He had another one in Episode 63 and admitted that he likes hearing himself talk. Before fusing to created Merged Zamasu, he had two.

[TheShadowEmperor8055]

I didn't mean to generalize but just the amount of hatred that came from these episodes from both people who liked it and hated it genuinely scared me.

it got so bad people were super was worse than evolution, FUCKING evolution.

I don't want to see the Fandom like that again, we can have disagreements but we shouldn't be having civil wars.

In my opinion, Nothing is worse the Evolution. Nothing. Not even GT.

The reason Black got overwhelmed by Vegeta was because Vegeta trained in the ROSAT and got stronger.

DUH. I know that. But for quite a time, it seemed that Black was unbeatable - the more you beat him up, the stronger he gets because he just heals from it instantly. Then he just gets pummeled by Vegeta who got so strong he inflicted wounds that Black couldn't immediately heal from. Not to mention Vegeta's anger. Black (and the spoilers) did note that Vegeta's anger played a role in that too, and we all know what happens when Earth-dwelling Saiyans run on pure emotion. Still doesn't address how Black's power was kind of all over the place in the anime, from when he seemed like a pushover, to unbeatable, then beatable again (even if I didn't mind in the moment). The transition in that regard was weird (doubt this was/will be the only occurrence of that in DB). The manga is more consistent in that regard, even if it does seem a bit rushed. While I seriously, honestly, truly couldn't care less about power levels, it just something I noticed between anime Black and manga Black thus far.

I don't think it's wise to generalize the entire DB fandom, as I don't hate Trunks, I just dislike the decisions the of writers of Super for making a lot of aspects in Super nonsensical in terms of what we knew from DBZ. I mean, I agree, the Mafuba and Vegerot were utterly pointless in my opinion when they were brought back. Much more could have been done with both. While I also like how Trunks got the finishing blow in the anime, HOW it happened made no sense. To that end, I just blame the writers for that.

To be clear, Trunks said that Black was about as strong as Super Saiyan 3 Goku. Black purposely matched his power to Super Saiyan 2 Goku so he can enjoy the fight and get stronger. Also, the reason he got so damaged was because he was being pulled back towards the time portal and distracted by Trunks' Time Machine. Both times, Goku kicked him in the chest.

How does that address what you quoted from my comment tho? And who knows, eh? Goku has a super strong base form, so maybe it augments his transformations... and maybe it doesn't, but I ain't gonna get into the two base theory here

[Jinzoningen MULE]

Future Zamasu had at least four motive rants in Episode 47 alone.

Future Zamasu wasn't even in episode 47. Although I wouldn't be surprised if he were making speeches to himself in the mirror off-screen.

[Freeza9000]

Future Zamasu had at least four motive rants in Episode 47 alone.

Future Zamasu wasn't even in episode 47. Although I wouldn't be surprised if he were making speeches to himself in the mirror off-screen.

I think HeroR meant Ep 57.

[HeroR]

Future Zamasu had at least four motive rants in Episode 47 alone.

Future Zamasu wasn't even in episode 47. Although I wouldn't be surprised if he were making speeches to himself in the mirror off-screen.

Meant 57.

[SansrivaaL]

Oh so maybe thats the reason why Black purposely let himself get beat up while fighting Vegeta in SSJ2, he knew he needed more power because not just Vegeta but Goku and Trunks are also there, he needed an amp, Black will probably turn the tables next chapter with Rose.

[HeroR]

Oh so maybe thats the reason why Black purposely let himself get beat up while fighting Vegeta in SSJ2, he knew he needed more power because not just Vegeta but Goku and Trunks are also there, he needed an amp, Black will probably turn the tables next chapter with Rose.

I don't think it was on purpose since he's shocked by how strong Vegeta is, is giving a motive rant while getting his shit kicked in, and just not enjoying himself. This isn't like when Black fought Goku in the anime the first time where we can see Black purposely fighting at Goku's level for the sake of getting stronger and even rejoicing when hit.

[zamasu121]

Oh so maybe thats the reason why Black purposely let himself get beat up while fighting Vegeta in SSJ2, he knew he needed more power because not just Vegeta but Goku and Trunks are also there, he needed an amp, Black will probably turn the tables next chapter with Rose.

he was not holding back: Vegeta: “[r] I see…[l] It figures you’d be too much for Trunks to handle.”
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Black: “[r] To think that you’d be this strong…[l] Which era did you come from?!”
how does it make any sense that black transforms to ssj2 just to be weaker than his base form

[SansrivaaL]

Oh so maybe thats the reason why Black purposely let himself get beat up while fighting Vegeta in SSJ2, he knew he needed more power because not just Vegeta but Goku and Trunks are also there, he needed an amp, Black will probably turn the tables next chapter with Rose.

he was not holding back: Vegeta: “[r] I see…[l] It figures you’d be too much for Trunks to handle.”
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Black: “[r] To think that you’d be this strong…[l] Which era did you come from?!”
how does it make any sense that black transforms to ssj2 just to be weaker than his base form

Yeah thats the freaking weird part he was doing just fine in base (tho he was just defending) so going SSJ1/2 should have been a major boost but got his ass kicked instead. Its just the context that I got from Trunks pointing out that Black's SSJ should be stronger now and notices something off.

Oh so maybe thats the reason why Black purposely let himself get beat up while fighting Vegeta in SSJ2, he knew he needed more power because not just Vegeta but Goku and Trunks are also there, he needed an amp, Black will probably turn the tables next chapter with Rose.

I don't think it was on purpose since he's shocked by how strong Vegeta is, is giving a motive rant while getting his shit kicked in, and just not enjoying himself. This isn't like when Black fought Goku in the anime the first time where we can see Black purposely fighting at Goku's level for the sake of getting stronger and even rejoicing when hit.

Yeah this Black is very different from Black in the anime. Guess I just took the context out of Trunks pointing out that Black's SSJ is more powerful now but notices something wrong, I mean even Trunks points it out, theres gotta be something weird going on here if he wasnt throwing it on purpose.

[rizefall]

. Remember base Black beated SS2 Trunks, who could perform fine in the sparring against SS3 Goku!

Yeah remember that it only happend in the manga. In the anime he got rekt.

[Abra kadabra]

. Remember base Black beated SS2 Trunks, who could perform fine in the sparring against SS3 Goku!

Yeah remember that it only happend in the manga. In the anime he got rekt.

This is the manga thread...

[OLKv3]

Black acts exactly like Zamasu in the manga, while in the anime he was a mashup of Zamasu and Goku, which worked way better than anyone expected. Though this chapter was hilarious with Black sperging out screaming about ningens. Zamasu will never not be hilarious to me. I like how they blended the convo and went into slightly more detail about how Black killed all the gods. Basically confirming that the timeline is screwed and justifying Zeno's decision later on. SSR next chapter.

Also like how Goku actually listened to Trunks' fear and immediately asked for the fight to end

[Will]

Super mysterious person: “That was a close one.”
Super mysterious person: “But this will take you one step closer to your ultimate form, right?” Herm's translation.

Black is clearly going Rosé next chapter.

[Abra kadabra]

Super mysterious person: “That was a close one.”
Super mysterious person: “But this will take you one step closer to your ultimate form, right?” Herm's translation.

Black is clearly going Rosé next chapter.

I wonder how because he says he can't yet

[Will]

Because like Future Zamasu said " This ( big beating and healing) will take you one step closer to your ultimate form, right?”"