Super Animation Catalogue 2.0

[ArchedThunder]

The discussion was born from talking about how good Seikaisuru Kado's CG looks, what relevance does the piss poor CG in BoG and F have to do with that?

Anyways, doing CG movies with visuals as good as that anime would be a great way to do Super movies without hurting the show's production.

[iAnimationLover_]

Seems like we have a new storyboard artist on dbs: http://prntscr.com/dl9icc

[JazzMazz]

Well thats interesting, I hope they can produce some interesting storyboards for the show down the line.

Also, since Tate's next week, I decided to post one of the more polished (and conservative/corrected) fights he did. This being from #56 in the SSB Vegeta vs SSR Black scuffle at the end of the episode.
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Definitely not his most interesting work on the series, but it's not bad by any stretch of the imagination considering what Super usually looks like. The only real thing that bothers me about this particular scuffle is aura's. They cover up all the potentially interesting drawings and also ruin some of the timing in the fight.

[iAnimationLover_]

ffs.. now all i see in episode 72 previews is people bashing tate.. I've just had someone reply to my comment with " he really is a disgrace to the animation industry. I've never seen animation as bad as tate's"







Should i even reply at this point..? hah

[HeroR]

ffs.. now all i see in episode 72 previews is people bashing tate.. I've just had someone reply to my comment with " he really is a disgrace to the animation industry. I've never seen animation as bad as tate's"







Should i even reply at this point..? hah

Trolls are not worth it. Besides, I've heard worse about Tate from the One Piece community.

[Amir]

ffs.. now all i see in episode 72 previews is people bashing tate.. I've just had someone reply to my comment with " he really is a disgrace to the animation industry. I've never seen animation as bad as tate's"







Should i even reply at this point..? hah

Trolls are not worth it. Besides, I've heard worse about Tate from the One Piece community.

They are not trolls. They simply hate his art.

[HeroR]

They are not trolls. They simply hate his art.

I call people trolls who used statements like, 'this is the worst art ever, and such and such is a disgrace'.

[iAnimationLover_]

I Just love how much shimanuki progressed as an animation supervisor here on super, he improved so much! his work is basically a 1-1 replica of his work on Z

And the fact that he can deliver something outstanding in just 5 weeks is stellar!

frgn love em'

[Ajay]

Episode 71

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Discoveries/Presumptions:
Kaoru/Kaori Takamura (99% certainty) -- Round ears, with inner parts of ear often connecting (or close to connecting) to the inside arch. Inconsistent with noses, but often uses a slightly rounded nose tip.

Nobuyoshi Sasakado (Mild presumption) -- Ears similar to Ide's, but much taller. Often doesn't draw the outside of the underside of the, instead using a soft shadow edge.

Shuntaro Mura -- Presumption based on angular ear shape and large noses. Mild assumption as style didn't become prevalent until recently. Not 100% convinced, really, but I've been sitting on it for a while.

[Noah]

Seriously listen Tate blind fanboys, if many say this shit looks terrbile then it probably is, i don't care if you think he is a god or something, his shit is not liked by many, thus many say the next ep looks like garbage, swallow that pill , whether you like it or not.

I don't think we can conclude as that. Even though I don't like his art I don't think this is the predominant opinion as many people could take fluidity over the art in the series, which I don't care much

For example, in this image you can see how Goku is forcefully knocked backwards, as his body bends.
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So Goku actually now have six finger? lol

[nite_jay]

That Shiminuki Piccolo looks so good. I think his character art has been the some of the most consistently good looking art in Super. His animation has gotten a little better, but I'm not really expecting anything super high quality from him anymore like before. What was it that he was good at? Kanada style animation?

[FortuneSSJ]

-Episode 71-

I loved the writting of this episode. It's kinda different from what we usually get from Dragon Ball. Yoshitaka Toshio delivered again.
As for the art/animation, the entire scene when Hit appears until he kills his target is perfection. Especially the walking scene, where he uses his abilty to go by the guards.
That was really well done in every aspect: art, animation, sound effects and soundtrack.

NEP looks terrible though. I also hate Tate rough style, but since people already talked about that I won't beat a dead horse.
It's funny because the part of One Piece fanbase that hates his work must be glad he's working in Super now. Bastards!

[iAnimationLover_]

I said it before and ill say it again, the reason tate's artwork is really rough is because in between episode 65 and 72, he had to work on episode 66 as an assistant animation supervisor and on episode 69 as a key animator (A bunch of cuts)


And then was expected to animate an entire fight..? I'm sorry but if you think someone with that busy hell of a schedule can pull off something great in that short amount of time, Sir you are mistaken!

The fact that they dont give tate enough time to focus on his own episodes really frustrates me at times though

Episode 71

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Discoveries/Presumptions:
Kaoru/Kaori Takamura (99% certainty) -- Round ears, with inner parts of ear often connecting (or close to connecting) to the inside arch. Inconsistent with noses, but often uses a slightly rounded nose tip.

Nobuyoshi Sasakado (Mild presumption) -- Ears similar to Ide's, but much taller. Often doesn't draw the outside of the underside of the, instead using a soft shadow edge.

Shuntaro Mura -- Presumption based on angular ear shape and large noses. Mild assumption as style didn't become prevalent until recently. Not 100% convinced, really, but I've been sitting on it for a while.

Nice job trying to figure this out xD

[FortuneSSJ]

And then was expected to animate an entire fight..? I'm sorry but if you think someone with that busy hell of a schedule can pull off something great in that short amount of time, Sir you are mistaken!

Bullshit. That's his style. Tate draws like that because he wants. No matter how many time he gets, if he wants to use that style he will use it just like he did in One Piece.
And it will look like that unless someone's comes forth and corrects his art again.

It's not matter of time when all the other animation supervisors can draw right, and Tate is the black sheep. Kitano draws some stupid faces sometimes but I'm sure if they gave him more time, he would draw everything right too. His art never reached Tate's rough levels.

Maybe Tate should just go work for Pokemon Sun & Moon anime since he loves that style so much, which is something I sincerely hope Dragon Ball anime never becomes to.

In same episode. we will have Karasawa (thank god) and seems like he will be delivering good looking stuff like always. We can make more comparisons after that.

[JulieYBM]

Tate Naoki is the most skilled animator willing to regularly work on this show. Nobody is going to let him go without a fight, especially since he's one of the most trustworthy animators at Toei. Only trustworthy animators are given large amounts of drawings.

[kinisking]

That Shiminuki Piccolo looks so good. I think his character art has been the some of the most consistently good looking art in Super. His animation has gotten a little better, but I'm not really expecting anything super high quality from him anymore like before. What was it that he was good at? Kanada style animation?

All his characters are so amazing. This dude really deserves some respect for progressing so much. The only exception is Vegeta. He looks off sometimes.

[MajinMan]

Can Shimanuki just replace Yamamuro already? And on the whole Tate thing, I think he's a great animator. The only reason people are freaking out about him this week is because his art looks EXTRA rough. This could either mean that Tate is going to deliver some really, really fluid and good action, or it was a production collapse like episode 5. Didn't he work on like 2 other episodes in the past 6 weeks? Hopefully he has time to finish this episode, unlike episode 5.

[ParkerAL]

Maybe Tate should just go work for Pokemon Sun & Moon anime since he loves that style so much, which is something I sincerely hope Dragon Ball anime never becomes to.

I wouldn't necessarily want Dragon Ball to adapt Pokemon's new style. A style that works for one show might not work for another. But coming up with new, animator-friendly designs of some kind wouldn't hurt.

I mean, it's hard to argue with the results over at Sun & Moon. After only six or so episodes, it's already surpassed Dragon Ball Super's clip count on the Sakura board. A lot of that has to do with the show's production having its shit together (and then some). But the excitement the animators must be feeling to work with such favorable designs really shines through their drawings.

When you have someone like Yoshimichi Kameda willing to work on your show, you're clearly doing something right.

[SaiyanGod117]

Can Shimanuki just replace Yamamuro already? And on the whole Tate thing, I think he's a great animator. The only reason people are freaking out about him this week is because his art looks EXTRA rough. This could either mean that Tate is going to deliver some really, really fluid and good action, or it was a production collapse like episode 5. Didn't he work on like 2 other episodes in the past 6 weeks? Hopefully he has time to finish this episode, unlike episode 5.

I doubt it's an animation collapse the schedule has improved a lot since than.

[JazzMazz]

And then was expected to animate an entire fight..? I'm sorry but if you think someone with that busy hell of a schedule can pull off something great in that short amount of time, Sir you are mistaken!

Bullshit. That's his style. Tate draws like that because he wants. No matter how many time he gets, if he wants to use that style he will use it just like he did in One Piece.
And it will look like that unless someone's comes forth and corrects his art again.

It's not matter of time when all the other animation supervisors can draw right, and Tate is the black sheep. Kitano draws some stupid faces sometimes but I'm sure if they gave him more time, he would draw everything right too. His art never reached Tate's rough levels.

Maybe Tate should just go work for Pokemon Sun & Moon anime since he loves that style so much, which is something I sincerely hope Dragon Ball anime never becomes to.

In same episode. we will have Karasawa (thank god) and seems like he will be delivering good looking stuff like always. We can make more comparisons after that.

I feel like your ignoring the fact that his work in One Piece was a lot more polished than his work on Super( and was also really good).
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Love this one. ^

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Kitano's art is just not very good and is undeniably pretty ugly when rushed, Tates art on the other hand at least has some aesthetic appeal when rushed.