They screwed up the Future Trunks Saga

[alwayshavebeen]

Goku Black was the main villain we never saw him beaten

[ChronoTwigger]

That also apply to Sauron. And no one complaint about.

And also you forgot that Black was Zamasu. They kill him TRICE.

[Ki Breaker]

Zamasu was the main villain, We saw him beaten.
Black is the coolest villan not the main villain, it's good to see he couldn't be beat by conventional means

[HeroR]

Zamasu was the main villain, We saw him beaten.
Black is the coolest villan not the main villain, it's good to see he couldn't be beat by conventional means

Black is Zamasu, first and foremost.

The Zamasu who becomes Black is also the one who starts the entire plot and is the one who makes Trunks go into the past for help, starting the stable time loop that created him. Future Zamasu is a tag along half way through Black's plan and Merged Zamasu was just the final boss.

[Ki Breaker]

Zamasu was the main villain, We saw him beaten.
Black is the coolest villan not the main villain, it's good to see he couldn't be beat by conventional means

Black is Zamasu, first and foremost.

Yes, black was Zamasu and we saw him beaten, that's my point, granted merged but it was still black and zamasu, that's pretty much zamasu only.. if that makes sense

[dragonballgeek]

The whole arc could've been better and longer.

I might be in the minority here, but I like shows like One Piece where the arcs go on for awhile. Everything was just too rushed.

[HeroR]

Yes, black was Zamasu and we saw him beaten, that's my point, granted merged but it was still black and zamasu, that's pretty much zamasu only.. if that makes sense

Merged Zamasu isn't Black no more than Vegetto is Goku and Vegeta or Gotenks is Goten and Trunks. Merged Zamasu is a new being born of Black and Future Zamasu. So, Black is technically undefeated in the anime. Just like Super Buu is technically undefeated, despite Kid Buu being killed.

The whole arc could've been better and longer.

I might be in the minority here, but I like shows like One Piece where the arcs go on for awhile. Everything was just too rushed.

I disagree here, especially since there are stuff in the Future Trunks Saga that could have been shortened. Also, if we're talking about the One Piece anime, everything is extremely dragged out. The anime was actually able to stuff two or even three chapters into one episode before they slowed the pacing down so it would catch the manga.

[Abra kadabra]

Zamasu is the main villain and black is zamasu so merged zamasu kinda worked because of that. But I do feel like black should have got his comeuppance before the fusion because he had them on the ropes then kinda disappeared afterwards

[Ki Breaker]

The whole arc could've been better and longer.

I might be in the minority here, but I like shows like One Piece where the arcs go on for awhile. Everything was just too rushed.

I got your back, longer arcs are lot more fun, than there rushed ones..

Yes, black was Zamasu and we saw him beaten, that's my point, granted merged but it was still black and zamasu, that's pretty much zamasu only.. if that makes sense

Merged Zamasu isn't Black no more than Vegetto is Goku and Vegeta or Gotenks is Goten and Trunks. Merged Zamasu is a new being born of Black and Future Zamasu. So, Black is technically undefeated in the anime. Just like Super Buu is technically undefeated, despite Kid Buu being killed.

Ya, I know, I said that before, I will quote myself

Black is the coolest villan not the main villain, it's good to see he couldn't be beat by conventional means

That's what I meant by conventional means, you couldn't beat him when he was black..

[Yedis]

The way the anime presented it, Zamasu and Black were more dangerous apart than they were fused.

Goku, Vegeta, and Trunks also fought better against Merged Zamasu in E65/66 than they did Black in E61. Until the Trunks transformation, Black was King OP.

[dragonballgeek]

Yes, black was Zamasu and we saw him beaten, that's my point, granted merged but it was still black and zamasu, that's pretty much zamasu only.. if that makes sense

Merged Zamasu isn't Black no more than Vegetto is Goku and Vegeta or Gotenks is Goten and Trunks. Merged Zamasu is a new being born of Black and Future Zamasu. So, Black is technically undefeated in the anime. Just like Super Buu is technically undefeated, despite Kid Buu being killed.

The whole arc could've been better and longer.

I might be in the minority here, but I like shows like One Piece where the arcs go on for awhile. Everything was just too rushed.

I disagree here, especially since there are stuff in the Future Trunks Saga that could have been shortened. Also, if we're talking about the One Piece anime, everything is extremely dragged out. The anime was actually able to stuff two or even three chapters into one episode before they slowed the pacing down so it would catch the manga.

To each their own I suppose. I find myself connecting more emotionally with One Piece recently. While I love Dragon ball more than any other anime out there, there's something about the shows longevity that makes it more appealing to me.

With this previous arc, Trunks power boost would've been more realistic if we saw him get more screen time training and preparing for the fight with Black. I know people complained about dragon ball back in the day with it spending too much time "powering up" and talking, but it's like they completely switched gears now. And it kinda hurts the flow of the show imo.

[dragonballgeek]

The whole arc could've been better and longer.

I might be in the minority here, but I like shows like One Piece where the arcs go on for awhile. Everything was just too rushed.

I got your back, longer arcs are lot more fun, than there rushed ones..

Yes, black was Zamasu and we saw him beaten, that's my point, granted merged but it was still black and zamasu, that's pretty much zamasu only.. if that makes sense

Merged Zamasu isn't Black no more than Vegetto is Goku and Vegeta or Gotenks is Goten and Trunks. Merged Zamasu is a new being born of Black and Future Zamasu. So, Black is technically undefeated in the anime. Just like Super Buu is technically undefeated, despite Kid Buu being killed.

Ya, I know, I said that before, I will quote myself

Black is the coolest villan not the main villain, it's good to see he couldn't be beat by conventional means

That's what I meant by conventional means, you couldn't beat him when he was black..

I appreciate that bruh

[MisteryOne]

That another of the biggest mistakes of the anime imo. Merged Zamasu just felt like a power up version of Zamasu. I don't know why they didn't give him a bit of Black's personality.

That's also the only thing that I don't like about the anime version of Goku Black: he ended looking like a completely new character, he didn't feel like Zamasu at all. In that aspect the manga did a better job because Toyotaro's Black is pretty much a power-hungry Zamasu. Of course, Black was just cooler and more badass in the anime, but since they didn't add aspects of that personlity to Merged Zamasu, Trunks defeating him didn't have a sense of victory.

Also, because of the fucked power levels, Merged Zamasu felt way weaker than Goku Black...which is obviously not the case. And since Black was never defeated per se, it just felt like Toei didn't want fans to see Black in a desesperate situation that forced him to fuse. He just fused because...uh, why exactly? Because Zamasu told him that ningens are dangerous? That's stupid. Black was strong enough to handle the three saiyans. Then again, since the anime versions make them ineficient enough to not be able to handle smoke granades...

Merged Zamasu was pretty much a fail to me, except his buffed version that had a cool design. (The normal one is a good design, but except in his first apareance, in most shots they draw him like a SS Zamasu, and that annoys me because is not suposed to look like that and because then he lost every part of Goku Black on him).

[Cetra]

Black was beaten. He realized that he might be killed by the ones he underestimated and thus ironically killed himself with the fusion.

And Black was not the main villain. The people "Zamasu" in all incarnations had that role together. Zamasu is to Dragon Ball what Master Xehanort is to Kingdom Hearts. Hell, in Kingdom Hearts they even have body possession, multiple Xehanort incarnations, time travelling and a bootstrap paradox that guarantees it all.

This saga was Final Fantasy and Kingdom Hearts all over.

[Mazingerdestro]

Did you skip Vegeta vs Black?

[HeroR]

Black was beaten. He realized that he might be killed by the ones he underestimated and thus ironically killed himself with the fusion.

And Black was not the main villain. The people "Zamasu" in all incarnations had that role together. Zamasu is to Dragon Ball what Master Xehanort is to Kingdom Hearts. Hell, in Kingdom Hearts they even have body possession, multiple Xehanort incarnations, time travelling and a bootstrap paradox that guarantees it all.

This saga was Final Fantasy and Kingdom Hearts all over.

That was Future Zamasu who insisted they fused since they could be defeated. Black agreed after seeing how freaked out Future Zamasu was.

Finally, Black was the one who started the plot, recruited his own future self, and was the driving behind everyone. He was the primary villain since there would be no plot without Black since Future Zamasu would have gone on to serve Gawasu while still harboring his hatred for mortals but not acting on it.

Did you skip Vegeta vs Black?

In the anime, Vegeta beat up on Black, but he didn't defeat him. In fact, Black was at an advantage before fusing with Future Zamasu thanks to his endless clones. He even wanted to make Goku and Vegeta stronger to power himself up.

[Cetra]

That was Future Zamasu who insisted they fused since they could be defeated. Black agreed after seeing how freaked out Future Zamasu was.

Finally, Black was the one who started the plot, recruited his own future self, and was the driving behind everyone. He was the primary villain since there would be no plot without Black since Future Zamasu would have gone on to serve Gawasu while still harboring his hatred for mortals but not acting on it.

Alt. Zamasu was the one who insisted but Black just as much as him realized they could no longer underestimate them or they would be beaten. You have even confirmed to know that with you saying Black realized. Also it is not like Black was never overwhelmed from some massive beat-down himself.

Also, just as you have already proven to understand what a boostrap is, there is no actual "Black being the primary one with him starting the plot". It is a cycle without beginning and end. Of course Trunks escaped from him. But every element was always included. The main villain is "Zamasu" in all incarnations.

[HeroR]

That was Future Zamasu who insisted they fused since they could be defeated. Black agreed after seeing how freaked out Future Zamasu was.

Finally, Black was the one who started the plot, recruited his own future self, and was the driving behind everyone. He was the primary villain since there would be no plot without Black since Future Zamasu would have gone on to serve Gawasu while still harboring his hatred for mortals but not acting on it.

Alt. Zamasu was the one who insisted but Black just as much as him realized they could no longer underestimate them or they would be beaten. You have even confirmed to know that with you saying Black realized. Also it is not like Black was never overwhelmed from some massive beat-down himself.

Also, just as you have already proven to understand what a boostrap is, there is no actual "Black being the primary one with him starting the plot". It is a cycle without beginning and end. Of course Trunks escaped from him. But every element was always included. The main villain is "Zamasu" in all incarnations.

Black was overwhelmed, but he found a work around and got stronger from it. He then took it a step further and tried to power-up Goku and Vegeta by killing their loves one. His mentality was, if anger made them stronger, I'm going to pissed them off, make them stronger, and have them fight me to make me stronger. After Future Zamasu had his scare, he agreed to stopped screwing around, but he didn't fused because he felt he particularly had to. It was closer to Freeza going into his true form, despite his third form being more than enough to stomp the heroes.

Black moved the plot. Trunks went to the past because of Black. Goku investigated Zamasu because of Black. Black was the one who came up with plan, time travel, got Future Zamasu, killed the gods, and attacked Trunks' Earth. Black was the key factor in all of this.

Zamasu as Black is the main villain. All his other incarnations were all extensions of his plan.

[SansrivaaL]

Its simply Toei being obsessed with Black, you can tell with how they handled him, everytime he got his ass handed to him by Goku,Vegeta,Trunks, he brushes it off or laughs at it then instantly gains the upper hand again, there is literally no part where Black looked like a joke (besides the bastards weird chuuni speeches) and another is almost ALL of Black's shot looked good, Merged Zamasu payed with him becoming the joke despite of him being stronger.

[Abra kadabra]

All three of the heros beat up black at one point and he always came back and shrugged it off. If merged zamasu had more of Black's features, it wouldn't feel kinda unresolved as far as black is concerned.