Goku is a Mutant

[ChiefWamsutta]

In DBSuper Episode 3, Whis says, "some Saiyans mutated and developed skills to increase their combat powers. They're called Super Saiyans."

It's very interesting to hear Goku, Vegeta, Gohan, Goten, and Trunks called mutants.

It seems as though normal Saiyans had tails. Since the five of them either lost their tails or were born without tails, it could be their bodies mutated to become Super Saiyans to compensate.

It's an interesting idea.

[Ki Breaker]

Are you sure that's not a mistranslation?
Goku is not Mutant since birth, if it's possible to become one afterwards then maybe you could say he was a mutant

[ChiefWamsutta]

Are you sure that's not a mistranslation?
Goku is not Mutant since birth, if it's possible to become one afterwards then maybe you could say he was a mutant

I doubt it's a mistranslation. Whis is pretty clear with what he meant.

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[Jinzoningen MULE]

It's not a mistranslation, but Goku's not a mutant in the sense you're thinking. Unless I'm misinterpreting, the definition you're using is typically used to refer to biology. This usually is used in reference to genetic anomalies. In fiction, a perfect example of this idea is the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles.

The use in this scene is using the vaguer definition, which essentially means "a change". Hope that clears things up.

[ChiefWamsutta]

It's not a mistranslation, but Goku's not a mutant in the sense you're thinking. Unless I'm misinterpreting, the definition you're using is typically used to refer to biology. This usually is used in reference to genetic anomalies. In fiction, a perfect example of this idea is the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles.

The use in this scene is using the vaguer definition, which essentially means "a change". Hope that clears things up.

It probably does mean a change, but it would genetically make sense too that they evolved. They all achieved Super Saiyan fairly easily compared to the hundreds of other Saiyans on Planet Vegeta.

Perhaps in order to compensate for the absence of their tails, which assists in powering themselves up, their bodies evolved into Super Saiyans as a way to power-up after no longer having tails.

This is all purely speculation, but I honestly like the idea.

[precita]

Weren't the Ginyu Force considered mutants as well?

[Jinzoningen MULE]

Weren't the Ginyu Force considered mutants as well?

Ginyu made some kind of remark saying that they were mutants. That was in reference to how much stronger they were than typical members of their race.

[Nejishiki]

The tail and Super Saiyan can co-exist, I think. However, when a Saiyan becomes strong enough, their tail no longer benefits them. The exact moment for when a tail ceases to strengthen a Saiyan hasn't been isolated. I imagine Gohan's prepared strength early in the Artificial Humans arc is an appropriate measure despite being half-Saiyan.

At any rate, Goku's achievement of Super Saiyan would make him abnormal alone if this were taken literally. The heightened state requires one to possess a tranquil heart alongside their extreme anger. That seems difficult to orchestrate from native Saiyans. If anything, Tarble would probably be considered "a mutant" by Saiyan standards. While it's perfectly normal to suppress one's desire to fight (Goku acknowledges he deliberately satiates those needs), Vegeta's brother seemingly retains none of his racial characteristics aside from the tail. That's a fun idea anyway. Mutation doesn't always have to mean being stronger than usual. It can weaken somebody, too.

[Darkprince410]

The way it comes off, it's not that they "mutated" and then became Super Saiya-jin as a result of this mutation, but rather that Whis is describing the Ssj transformation itself as a mutation. The term being used for "mutation" in both this and the title for episode 7 is totsu-zen hen'i, which literally translates to "sudden change" but is used in Japan for mutations.

[ChiefWamsutta]

The way it comes off, it's not that they "mutated" and then became Super Saiya-jin as a result of this mutation, but rather that Whis is describing the Ssj transformation itself as a mutation. The term being used for "mutation" in both this and the title for episode 7 is totsu-zen hen'i, which literally translates to "sudden change" but is used in Japan for mutations.

I don't speak Japanese, so I may be missing something. Regardless, I trust these Crunchyroll subs, and as you can see here:

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Whis states, "Some Saiyans mutated and developed skills that multiply their combat power. They're called 'Super Saiyans.'"

The 'Some Saiyans' are Goku, Vegeta, Gohan, Goten, and Trunks. He says that they mutated and developed skills, meaning they did two things. Their bodies changed genetically (mutated) and then they learned Super Saiyan transformations (developed skills).


For what you said to be true, it would have to say something along the lines of, "Some Saiyans developed mutated skills that multiply their combat power. They're called 'Super Saiyans.'"

[DragonBallFoodie]

Well, he is special. He's part god, part alien, part yutz, part child. He can be part mutant too.

[Darkprince410]

The way it comes off, it's not that they "mutated" and then became Super Saiya-jin as a result of this mutation, but rather that Whis is describing the Ssj transformation itself as a mutation. The term being used for "mutation" in both this and the title for episode 7 is totsu-zen hen'i, which literally translates to "sudden change" but is used in Japan for mutations.

I don't speak Japanese, so I may be missing something. Regardless, I trust these Crunchyroll subs, and as you can see here:

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Whis states, "Some Saiyans mutated and developed skills that multiply their combat power. They're called 'Super Saiyans.'"

The 'Some Saiyans' are Goku, Vegeta, Gohan, Goten, and Trunks. He says that they mutated and developed skills, meaning they did two things. Their bodies changed genetically (mutated) and then they learned Super Saiyan transformations (developed skills).


For what you said to be true, it would have to say something along the lines of, "Some Saiyans developed mutated skills that multiply their combat power. They're called 'Super Saiyans.'"

According to Herms' translation, the line is different.

Whis: “It seems the Saiyans have learned a technique that causes them to mutate and multiplies their battle power many times over. If I’m not mistaken, they call it ‘Super Saiyan’.”

It's the skill that is causing them to mutate and increase their strength, not that they mutated and then developed those skills.

That's why the same term used for mutation was used for episode 7's title in regards to Vegeta's Ssj2 transformation when he attacked Beerus.

[DanielSSJ]

Given that most fans seem to believe that Goten's and Trunks' ease of access to the Super Saiyan form stems from their dads being Super Saiyans when they were conceived, maybe they did mutate in the genetic sense.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

Given that most fans seem to believe that Goten's and Trunks' ease of access to the Super Saiyan form stems from their dads being Super Saiyans when they were conceived, maybe they did mutate in the genetic sense.

Probably not the intent though, since that idea only comes from worthless hypothesizing to help continuity-jocks sleep at night. Fair, I used to do the same thing, but there's no substantial evidence that supports the genetics hypothesis, only convenient circumstances. Though if something like that were to be established, I wouldn't object to it.

[ChronoTwigger]

Maybe you're not aware of that, but ALL of us are mutants.
Our genetic code always present random mutations. That's why you doesn't look exactly as the sum of your parents.
Goku wasn't a mutant more than any other living being.

That Whis sentence anyway was correct.
Sayan at a given point mutated and that SS gene was transmitted to generations.
That doesn't make Goku a mutant, as all life forms are.

What usually you found in comics are teratogenes effects. People get exposed to something and they breed altered life forms (or have an endocrine alteration and "grow" distorted traits but this is very rare in real life). Those altered genes cannot be passed to progenies (another reason Goku isn't a mutant in that terms).