"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[Gafonso6]

Man, there's going to be nearly 10 episodes of fillers before the new arc starts in February, right? I think this is the biggest filler gap a Dragonball anime has had in some time.

If it helps the schedule it's worth it

If it helps the quality of the new Arc I'm all for it.

If it helps the quality of the new Arc and all of the filler episoded have the same quality the Last ones had I'm all for it.

[Bullza]

If it helps the schedule it's worth it

If it helps the quality of the new Arc I'm all for it.

If it helps the quality of the new Arc and all of the filler episoded have the same quality the Last ones had I'm all for it.

If it helps the quality of the new Arc and all of the filler episodes have the same quality the last ones had and it allows the manga to catch up and overtake the anime for a brief period I'm all for it.

[Noah]

Black would have never existed if Trunks didn't time travel since the only reason Goku even met and fought Zamasu was to see if he was connected to Black. If Trunks never came, Goku and Zamasu would have no reason to meet or fight, or how they met would have been very different, which isn't stated since Black confirmed that he is the same Zamasu that Goku fought and we see a flashback to Episode 53, the infamous sparring match that triggered Zamasu.

What the actual F***? The only reason Trunks came back to the past was because Black existed there! How can you say that if Trunks didn't came back Black would never exist? This DOESN'T make any sense!

[GodKaio-Ken]

Black would have never existed if Trunks didn't time travel since the only reason Goku even met and fought Zamasu was to see if he was connected to Black. If Trunks never came, Goku and Zamasu would have no reason to meet or fight, or how they met would have been very different, which isn't stated since Black confirmed that he is the same Zamasu that Goku fought and we see a flashback to Episode 53, the infamous sparring match that triggered Zamasu.

What the actual F***? The only reason Trunks came back to the past was because Black existed there! How can you say that if Trunks didn't came back Black would never exist? This DOESN'T make any sense!

Hes not the one saying it. The show implied it. Its a time paradox. Though the manga tackled it differently. Everything from this point is anime only in theory.

If Trunks doesnt go back Goku never fights Zamasu because he has no reason to investigate him. Their fight was really the catalyst for Zamasu wanting to switch bodies.

Its possible he still sees Goku on GodTube but we dont know that for sure. We cant just assume he would have as events would have been different.

[FortuneSSJ]

The actor mentioned is the guy in a magazine that Boo changes his face into in the Boo arc.
[spoiler][/spoiler]

The amount of homework Toei did about DB/DBZ keeps me surprsing to no end. Never in my life I thought that guy would appear in the show.
No way they forgot about Bra or that the new generation must grow up, if they remember little stuff like this. They are most likely just waiting for Toriyama to come up with new designs.

[Hellspawn28]

I think the upcoming arc could be have the universes be destroyed to get rid of too many powerful enemies. Maybe Zeno and The Grand Priest feels like the universes were growing too strong and numerous for the universes to handle.

[Ki Breaker]

I think the upcoming arc could be have the universes be destroyed to get rid of too many powerful enemies. Maybe Zeno and The Grand Priest feels like the universes were growing too strong and numerous for the universes to handle.

Does something actually exist which zeno can't handle?
He is just doing it probably because he is a kid who knows no good

[alakazam^]

If Trunks doesnt go back Goku never fights Zamasu because he has no reason to investigate him. Their fight was really the catalyst for Zamasu wanting to switch bodies.

Its possible he still sees Goku on GodTube but we dont know that for sure. We cant just assume he would have as events would have been different.

Even if he, for some reason, didn't watch Goku on Kamitube he would still attend Zen'ou's tournament so it would be just a matter of time.

[Khin]

I don't think the idea of universe being destroyed is from Zen'ou. In episode 42, Whis said that they don't know what will happen to Earth if U7 loses because the other god of destructions are quite brutal. Makes me think this stuff comes from them.

[HeroR]

If Trunks doesnt go back Goku never fights Zamasu because he has no reason to investigate him. Their fight was really the catalyst for Zamasu wanting to switch bodies.

Its possible he still sees Goku on GodTube but we dont know that for sure. We cant just assume he would have as events would have been different.

Even if he, for some reason, didn't watch Goku on Kamitube he would still attend Zen'ou's tournament so it would be just a matter of time.

But then he would see a bunch of powerful mortals fighting, not just Goku. And Zen'o would wipe out all but one universe which can easily changed Zamasu's motives and top of the Super Dragon Balls may or may not be active so he wouldn't have to skip a year.

[DBS916]

I don't think the idea of universe being destroyed is from Zen'ou. In episode 42, Whis said that they don't know what will happen to Earth if U7 loses because the other god of destructions are quite brutal. Makes me think this stuff comes from them.

Yeah, it's been shown the Gods of Destruction don't care too much about the mortals within their universes or from other universes. Like when Beerus or Champa clearly stated their fighters were nothing more then pawns in their tournament for the super dragon balls.

Therefore it wouldn't surprise me Zeno, despite coming across as more childlike, wouldn't care about the various lifeforms within the 12 universes.

[Will]

Black would have never existed if Trunks didn't time travel since the only reason Goku even met and fought Zamasu was to see if he was connected to Black. If Trunks never came, Goku and Zamasu would have no reason to meet or fight, or how they met would have been very different, which isn't stated since Black confirmed that he is the same Zamasu that Goku fought and we see a flashback to Episode 53, the infamous sparring match that triggered Zamasu.

What the actual F***? The only reason Trunks came back to the past was because Black existed there! How can you say that if Trunks didn't came back Black would never exist? This DOESN'T make any sense!

Hes not the one saying it. The show implied it. Its a time paradox. Though the manga tackled it differently. Everything from this point is anime only in theory.

If Trunks doesnt go back Goku never fights Zamasu because he has no reason to investigate him. Their fight was really the catalyst for Zamasu wanting to switch bodies.

Its possible he still sees Goku on GodTube but we dont know that for sure. We cant just assume he would have as events would have been different.

Zamasu would see Gowasu watching Goku vs Hit on Godtube anyways.

[GodKaio-Ken]

What the actual F***? The only reason Trunks came back to the past was because Black existed there! How can you say that if Trunks didn't came back Black would never exist? This DOESN'T make any sense!

Hes not the one saying it. The show implied it. Its a time paradox. Though the manga tackled it differently. Everything from this point is anime only in theory.

If Trunks doesnt go back Goku never fights Zamasu because he has no reason to investigate him. Their fight was really the catalyst for Zamasu wanting to switch bodies.

Its possible he still sees Goku on GodTube but we dont know that for sure. We cant just assume he would have as events would have been different.

Zamasu would see Gowasu watching Goku vs Hit on Godtube anyways.

Yes but technically Hit won the fight. Even if he did see it he would have no reason to switch bodies with Goku as he had no personal experience with his power. That is why the anime makes much more sense than the manga despite the time paradox.

[MisteryOne]

Hes not the one saying it. The show implied it. Its a time paradox. Though the manga tackled it differently. Everything from this point is anime only in theory.

If Trunks doesnt go back Goku never fights Zamasu because he has no reason to investigate him. Their fight was really the catalyst for Zamasu wanting to switch bodies.

Its possible he still sees Goku on GodTube but we dont know that for sure. We cant just assume he would have as events would have been different.

Zamasu would see Gowasu watching Goku vs Hit on Godtube anyways.

Yes but technically Hit won the fight. Even if he did see it he would have no reason to switch bodies with Goku as he had no personal experience with his power. That is why the anime makes much more sense than the manga despite the time paradox.

How does the anime make more sense that the manga? In the manga even if Zamasu doesn't fight Goku and Trunks doesn't come back he still learns about Goku because of Kaioshin and because Godtube. And in the manga, Goku won, not Hit. Hit was a lot weaker in the manga, Goku could have destroyed him. In the anime, however, in an hypothetical timelime where Zamasu never met Goku, why would he choose him over Hit? In the anime it was the other way around, even with Kaioken, which was not unlimited, Goku and Hit were pretty much equals andit couldn't fight seriously.

The anime makes more sense if we consider the time paradox. Without it, it doesn't make sense that Zamasu didn't became Hit Black.If Zamasu didn't fight against Goku in the anime, he would never became interested about him. Why would he? In the anime he actually mets Goku because of their fight. The manga has ways for Zamasu to became Black without the fight, the anime doesn't.In the anime, even without fighting seriously, Hit was able to fight Goku. In the manga, without his killing tecniques, Hit was useless, specially since his Full Power only last one minute, and without it he's weaker than SS Goku acording to Beerus.

Everything on the anime depends of the time loop, which doesn't really make sense if Beerus was the one who separated the timelines. If you ignore it, Zamasu becoming Black is a nonsense.

[HeroR]

How does the anime make more sense that the manga? In the manga even if Zamasu doesn't fight Goku and Trunks doesn't come back he still learns about Goku because of Kaioshin and because Godtube. And in the manga, Goku won, not Hit. Hit was a lot weaker in the manga, Goku could have destroyed him. In the anime, however, in an hypothetical timelime where Zamasu never met Goku, why would he choose him over Hit? In the anime it was the other way around, even with Kaioken, which was not unlimited, Goku and Hit were pretty much equals andit couldn't fight seriously.

The anime makes more sense if we consider the time paradox. Without it, it doesn't make sense that Zamasu didn't became Hit Black.If Zamasu didn't fight against Goku in the anime, he would never became interested about him. Why would he? In the anime he actually mets Goku because of their fight. The manga has ways for Zamasu to became Black without the fight, the anime doesn't.In the anime, even without fighting seriously, Hit was able to fight Goku. In the manga, without his killing tecniques, Hit was useless, specially since his Full Power only last one minute, and without it he's weaker than SS Goku acording to Beerus.

Everything on the anime depends of the time loop, which doesn't really make sense if Beerus was the one who separated the timelines. If you ignore it, Zamasu becoming Black is a nonsense.

Of course the anime only makes sense if you used the stable time loop/time paradox, because that's exactly what happened. Black's very existence happened because of a time loop. There is no timeline where Zamasu never met Goku.

Also, Goku forfeited just like he did in the anime, so he didn't win against Hit. And just like anime, manga Hit couldn't used his killing techniques. Zamasu becoming trigged and deciding to steal some random mortal's body because he saw Godtube clips is really eye rolling when you really think about it.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

Black would have never existed if Trunks didn't time travel since the only reason Goku even met and fought Zamasu was to see if he was connected to Black. If Trunks never came, Goku and Zamasu would have no reason to meet or fight, or how they met would have been very different, which isn't stated since Black confirmed that he is the same Zamasu that Goku fought and we see a flashback to Episode 53, the infamous sparring match that triggered Zamasu.

What the actual F***? The only reason Trunks came back to the past was because Black existed there! How can you say that if Trunks didn't came back Black would never exist? This DOESN'T make any sense!

Hes not the one saying it. The show implied it. Its a time paradox. Though the manga tackled it differently. Everything from this point is anime only in theory.

If Trunks doesnt go back Goku never fights Zamasu because he has no reason to investigate him. Their fight was really the catalyst for Zamasu wanting to switch bodies.

Its possible he still sees Goku on GodTube but we dont know that for sure. We cant just assume he would have as events would have been different.

It's heavily implied that Goku and Zamasu were already on a collision anyway Trunks coming back just instigated it quicker. In the timeline Black killed Chichi and Goten, Trunks didn't come back but Zamasu and Goku still fought. We don't know what reason but it doesn't matter all we know is that they were gonna fight regardless.

[HeroR]

It's heavily implied that Goku and Zamasu were already on a collision anyway Trunks coming back just instigated it quicker. In the timeline Black killed Chichi and Goten, Trunks didn't come back but Zamasu and Goku still fought. We don't know what reason but it doesn't matter all we know is that they were gonna fight regardless.

How was it implied that Goku and Zamasu were on a collision course? Goku only fought Zamasu to see if he was Black and the flashback shown was Episode 53. So the sparring match was exactly the same and the timeline shows that the split didn't happened until Beerus wasted Zamasu. Trunks coming back and Black following him triggered the events of the time loop.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

It's heavily implied that Goku and Zamasu were already on a collision anyway Trunks coming back just instigated it quicker. In the timeline Black killed Chichi and Goten, Trunks didn't come back but Zamasu and Goku still fought. We don't know what reason but it doesn't matter all we know is that they were gonna fight regardless.

How was it implied that Goku and Zamasu were on a collision course? Goku only fought Zamasu to see if he was Black and the flashback shown was Episode 53. So the sparring match was exactly the same and the timeline shows that the split didn't happened until Beerus wasted Zamasu. Trunks coming back and Black following him triggered the events of the time loop.

Because in the trimeline Trunks didn't show up Zamasu took over Goku's body therefore implying that they most likely still fought regardless of Trunks. Considering Zamasu was a one of a kind fighting prodigy it isn't exactly far fetched to thing they'd find eventually.

[HeroR]

Because in the trimeline Trunks didn't show up Zamasu took over Goku's body therefore implying that they most likely still fought regardless of Trunks. Considering Zamasu was a one of a kind fighting prodigy it isn't exactly far fetched to thing they'd find eventually.

That's the thing, there is no timeline where Trunks never came that created Black. Trunks coming to the past and Black following him are all part of the stable time loop that leads to Black's creation. There is no Black without Trunks traveling to the past to get help to fight Black.

And their meeting would have to happened within the year the Super Dragon Balls were inactive and Zamasu never implied he seek Goku out after watching Godtube and top of the flashback clearly showing the sparring match from Episode 53.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

Because in the trimeline Trunks didn't show up Zamasu took over Goku's body therefore implying that they most likely still fought regardless of Trunks. Considering Zamasu was a one of a kind fighting prodigy it isn't exactly far fetched to thing they'd find eventually.

That's the thing, there is no timeline where Trunks never came that created Black. Trunks coming to the past and Black following him are all part of the stable time loop that leads to Black's creation. There is no Black without Trunks traveling to the past to get help to fight Black.

And their meeting would have to happened within the year the Super Dragon Balls were inactive and Zamasu never implied he seek Goku out after watching Godtube and top of the flashback clearly showing the sparring match from Episode 53.

I don't see how them re using animation from #53 proves anything. I'm not talking about GodTube all I'm saying is they fought for an unspecified reason but given the fact that he was a prodigy Kioshin it's not exactly far fetched to think they'd eventually bout.
In #62 we we're clearly shown a timelime where Trunks didn't come back and Black was born.