Super is so different but in a good way

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Super is so different but in a good way

Post by Lujin_16 » Fri Dec 23, 2016 5:12 am

It is much more mysterious than Z and so unpredictable you never know what will happen next especially with the angels thing they are really mysterious..
Sometimes you feel like they have some plans against the Omniking or acting good but in reality they are evil..
I really like it that super goes in a different direction and fans who say Akira is old he has no new ideas or he is not in his prime is wrong in my opinion he
added something new in the franchise..

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Re: Super is so different but in a good way

Post by sintzu » Fri Dec 23, 2016 5:26 am

I fully agree that he can still tell good stories which is why I hope we get at least 10 arcs from him.

DB&Z were also unpredictable but we don't see it because of how many times we've seen them but I doubt someone who doesn't know anything about them would be able to predict their major plot points.
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Post by namekiansaiyan » Fri Dec 23, 2016 6:01 am

sintzu wrote:I fully agree that he can still tell good stories which is why I hope we get at least 10 arcs from him.

DB&Z were also unpredictable but we don't see it because of how many times we've seen them but I doubt someone who doesn't know anything about them would be able to predict their major plot points.
You really have an obsession with 10 arcs don't you? I expect more than 10

This upcoming tournament arc has the potential to be the best and most epic arc in all fighting anime/manga.

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Post by MisteryOne » Fri Dec 23, 2016 6:16 am

Until we go past EoZ, Super will never be as misterious as Z, specialy on the Saiyan and Frieza arcs, because we know that no one is going to die permanently. No matter what happens, everyone will be happy and alive. The only ones who can die forever from the main cast are Beerus, Whis and Jaco, and with the existence of the SDB keep them dead would be stupid.

And about the ideas, to be honest any of Super's ideas have been original. The concept of BoG is not from Toriyama, the multiverse tournament was done years ago with DB Multiverse, and Goku Black is pretty much a better, official version of Zaiko from DBAF by Toyotaro. It's true however that most of that ideas have been better used than in the original media where they come from, but they are not original in any way.
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Post by Bansho64 » Fri Dec 23, 2016 6:19 am

Eh, I personally wouldn't at all call it more "mysterious" than anything else we've seen in the past. Yes, Goku Black's identity did confuse me and have me thinking about it for a while. But, it's really nothing compared to some of the shocks I've gotten out of previous moments in the story.

Heck, I honestly think Cell did that whole shtick better. He actually legitimately creeped me out and the mystery around his origins was more interesting imo. And I still get that creepiness in some rewatches of it. Goku Black's alright but I've come to appreciate that aspect of him less and less as time goes on and with every rewatch I have.

I mean, I guess I could say it's different with some things. There are many opportunities, but my expectations are low considering my track record with what we've gotten. For me, it's like Battle of Gods opened a door and yet we still have trouble taking that first step.

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Re: Super is so different but in a good way

Post by Lujin_16 » Fri Dec 23, 2016 6:37 am

Z was mysterious to but it was short not that long as super we know Whis,Vados,Grand Priest really long and still mysterious that is what i wanted to say

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Post by Ki Breaker » Fri Dec 23, 2016 7:02 am

Toriyama's stories and His thinking is enjoyable to me, super is no exception.
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Post by TheUltimateNinja » Fri Dec 23, 2016 7:06 am

namekiansaiyan wrote:
sintzu wrote:I fully agree that he can still tell good stories which is why I hope we get at least 10 arcs from him.

DB&Z were also unpredictable but we don't see it because of how many times we've seen them but I doubt someone who doesn't know anything about them would be able to predict their major plot points.
You really have an obsession with 10 arcs don't you? I expect more than 10

This upcoming tournament arc has the potential to be the best and most epic arc in all fighting anime/manga.
Indeed. It may even surpass the Dark Tournament arc.

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Re: Super is so different but in a good way

Post by MisteryOne » Fri Dec 23, 2016 7:18 am

Lujin_16 wrote:Z was mysterious to but it was short not that long as super we know Whis,Vados,Grand Priest really long and still mysterious that is what i wanted to say
Sorry, I don't get it. Do you mean that the mysteries in Super last longer? My English is not perfect

If so, well, yeah, in Super pretty much everything happens in only a few years, so they can foreshadow misteries or certain characters better. As I have said, we still don't know anything about the Angels or about Hit's background for example.
The mystery of Goku Black would have been awesome if he didn't turn to be Zamasu as everyone trough at first (That's why a prefer it being revealed quickly in the manga).So in that case I think the mystery length ended being something bad.
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Post by SansrivaaL » Fri Dec 23, 2016 7:37 am

Considering all the stuffs that came out in the anime industry, time paradox type of shiz fit this year well, I dont know why but these time paradox/travel stuffs are quite the trend nowadays, AT couldnt handle it well but was still plenty fun in its own way, seeing a character of Goku doing evil stuffs with them weird fcked up justice, seeing Vegito again and an angry Goku was worth every hype this arc gave, my only problem with it is Trunks, besides him the arc is perfect.

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Re: Super is so different but in a good way

Post by sintzu » Fri Dec 23, 2016 12:52 pm

namekiansaiyan wrote:
You really have an obsession with 10 arcs don't you? I expect more than 10

This upcoming tournament arc has the potential to be the best and most epic arc in all fighting anime/manga.
The original had 10 and it's an even number. :mrgreen:

I think the tournament is going to open the door for the arcs after it so hopefully we get more than 10 and I agree that if it's handled right from both Toriyama and Toei that it could be one of the best.
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Post by Doctor. » Fri Dec 23, 2016 1:07 pm

sintzu wrote:
namekiansaiyan wrote:
You really have an obsession with 10 arcs don't you? I expect more than 10

This upcoming tournament arc has the potential to be the best and most epic arc in all fighting anime/manga.
The original had 10 and it's an even number. :mrgreen:

I think the tournament is going to open the door for the arcs after it so hopefully we get more than 10 and I agree that if it's handled right from both Toriyama and Toei that it could be one of the best.
The tournament is gonna be the 5th one and I don't think any of the arcs have lived up to their potential yet.

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Re: Super is so different but in a good way

Post by sintzu » Fri Dec 23, 2016 1:27 pm

Doctor. wrote:The tournament is gonna be the 5th one and I don't think any of the arcs have lived up to their potential yet.
They should've changed up BOG a bit and have it shorter but the movie was great so there's that.

RF could've been a lot more than what it was but at least Super improved it.

The champa arc was good but Piccolo and Buu should've had more to do.

The Zamasu arc is currently the best one but I think they should've had it be a bit longer to explain certan things and have longer fights.
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Post by LK3185 » Fri Dec 23, 2016 2:41 pm

In catching up with Super, I'm up to ep 43, I feel like this is more what the creator had in mind.. Especially all the humor.. I don't remember Z ever being this funny or at least trying to be, this much.. I don't think its that mysterious, and i feel like all the original fighters besides Vegeta and Goku got a massive downgrade/not do anything (maybe that changes when i get caught up) but the humor is constant and i kinda like it more because of that.. it makes things more fun.

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Post by iAnimationLover_ » Mon Dec 26, 2016 1:10 pm

sintzu wrote:I fully agree that he can still tell good stories which is why I hope we get at least 10 arcs from him.



10 arcs holy shit calm down bro, too much :lol:


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LK3185 wrote:In catching up with Super, I'm up to ep 43, I feel like this is more what the creator had in mind.. Especially all the humor.. I don't remember Z ever being this funny or at least trying to be, this much.. I don't think its that mysterious, and i feel like all the original fighters besides Vegeta and Goku got a massive downgrade/not do anything (maybe that changes when i get caught up) but the humor is constant and i kinda like it more because of that.. it makes things more fun.

Have you reached episode 72? Are you satisfied with the FT arc?

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Re: Super is so different but in a good way

Post by sintzu » Mon Dec 26, 2016 1:57 pm

iAnimationLover_ wrote:10 arcs holy shit calm down bro, too much :lol:
We're on the 5th one and it wasn't announced as the last one so chances are there'll be one after that which will meake them 6 so 4 more and we'll have 10. :mrgreen: :thumbup:
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Re: Super is so different but in a good way

Post by dbs fanboy » Mon Dec 26, 2016 2:10 pm

I really like super (with the exception of you know, my gripes with it) mostly because it feels new and young, it doesn't feel like a really old serious that's ending (that's what i felt during the buu saga and in GT), it feels like it hasn't went to it's full potential yet (yeah, the FT Trunks arc is really good imo and one of my favourites arc but still), and the fact that this is the first db series that i'm watching during it's run makes it all better while it still has things that really bother me a lot (which is why i consider it just an average /ok-ish series)

LK3185 wrote:In catching up with Super, I'm up to ep 43, I feel like this is more what the creator had in mind.. Especially all the humor.. I don't remember Z ever being this funny or at least trying to be, this much.. I don't think its that mysterious, and i feel like all the original fighters besides Vegeta and Goku got a massive downgrade/not do anything (maybe that changes when i get caught up) but the humor is constant and i kinda like it more because of that.. it makes things more fun.
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Post by Abra kadabra » Mon Dec 26, 2016 5:06 pm

SansrivaaL wrote:Considering all the stuffs that came out in the anime industry, time paradox type of shiz fit this year well, I dont know why but these time paradox/travel stuffs are quite the trend nowadays, AT couldnt handle it well but was still plenty fun in its own way, seeing a character of Goku doing evil stuffs with them weird fcked up justice, seeing Vegito again and an angry Goku was worth every hype this arc gave, my only problem with it is Trunks, besides him the arc is perfect.
Vegito fanboys still salty over FT being prominent in the "future trunks" arc need to dry their eyes and get over it. Vegito is barely even a character, just fanservice to sell toys. I bet they didn't even realise that this whole arc was built around FT. It's really getting sad at this point

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Re: Super is so different but in a good way

Post by dbs fanboy » Mon Dec 26, 2016 5:58 pm

Abra kadabra wrote:
SansrivaaL wrote:Considering all the stuffs that came out in the anime industry, time paradox type of shiz fit this year well, I dont know why but these time paradox/travel stuffs are quite the trend nowadays, AT couldnt handle it well but was still plenty fun in its own way, seeing a character of Goku doing evil stuffs with them weird fcked up justice, seeing Vegito again and an angry Goku was worth every hype this arc gave, my only problem with it is Trunks, besides him the arc is perfect.
Vegito fanboys still salty over FT being prominent in the "future trunks" arc need to dry their eyes and get over it. Vegito is barely even a character, just fanservice to sell toys. I bet they didn't even realise that this whole arc was built around FT. It's really getting sad at this point
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Re: Super is so different but in a good way

Post by sintzu » Mon Dec 26, 2016 7:19 pm

dbs fanboy wrote:Super doesn't feel like a really old serious that's ending (that's what i felt during the buu saga and in GT).
They were written as endings (Buu for the manga and GT for the anime) so them feeling like that is a good thing cause that's what they were.

I do agree that Super has a lot of potential and is nowhere near reaching its limit for what it can add to the franchise so hopefully Toriyama can keep it going for a long time.
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