Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

[HeroR]

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Never said that Goku didn't get stronger from the tournament.

Hit stated that his Time skip is useless due to Kaioken, which current SSB Goku can obviously use whenever he wants. That's what Goku used to counter it before, so that is what Hit is referring to.

You don't need to be anywhere near Super Saiyan Blue to react to it mentally, which is basically what Hit's Time skip is, a mental action. You don't need to be near it to take hits either. Base and SSJ Black was surviving hits from SSB Vegeta even though he is many times weaker.

Hit went all out with his kill moves, but didn't use the technique that forced Kaioken to come out, so it's moot. There isn't any ground to claim that current SSB Goku is anywhere near SSB Kaioken Goku from the tournament. That's ridiculous.

Hit never claimed that his Time Skip was useless because of the Kaioken. Goku said that his Time Skip won't work and Hit agreed.

[Helios518]

And? Hit getting stronger and having a technique better than Time skip doesn't imply any multifold gains on Goku's part. Nothing implying that Hit made multifold gains either. He was never on par with Super Saiyan Blue in raw power.

Consider in the tournament Hit was able to get Tokitobashi to work SSJBKKx10 Goku but now he states it wouldn't even work on current SSJB Goku leans far more towards Goku has gotten stronger. Tournament Hit was restrained but still could've defeated SSJBKKx10 Goku (He said so himself) but this one went all-out (or less restrained) but SSJB Goku could keep up with him.

Also Hit was never on par with SSJB? If he's not then he's very close to it considering he could react to one and take and deliver attacks to and from it.

Never said that Goku didn't get stronger from the tournament.

Hit stated that his Time skip is useless due to Kaioken, which current SSB Goku can obviously use whenever he wants. That's what Goku used to counter it before, so that is what Hit is referring to.

You don't need to be anywhere near Super Saiyan Blue to react to it mentally, which is basically what Hit's Time skip is, a mental action. You don't need to be near it to take hits either. Base and SSJ Black was surviving hits from SSB Vegeta even though he is many times weaker.

Hit went all out with his kill moves, but didn't use the technique that forced Kaioken to come out, so it's moot. There isn't any ground to claim that current SSB Goku is anywhere near SSB Kaioken Goku from the tournament. That's ridiculous.

Hit didn't state his Tokitobashi would be useless from Kaioken in these episodes actually Kaioken wasn't even mentioned in these episodes.

Yes, you do. If a gunman pointed a gun at you across a decent to large size room and you were tasked to react after he shoots at you. You'll be dead and couldn't even fire a few neurons during the time the bullet was traveling.

No, he didn't. But

- Goku said that Hit is restrained due to tournament rules but still stated that he was the one that was going to lose against the restrained Hit even as a SSJBKKx10.

- Hit is now clearly unrestrained due to lack of rules.

- Hit mentions that Tokitobashi is useless again Current Goku.

- Despite the lack of Tokitobashi, Goku states Hit is even better than he was in the tournament and that his techniques are even better than Tokitobashi.

It's like they throw in your face that this Hit is much better than the tournament one in both techniques and power yet current SSJB Goku is doing a better job than Tournament SSJBKKX10 Goku.

Also out of all the things DBS anime has done, you think Goku getting at least 10x stronger is ridiculous?

[HeroR]

Hit didn't state his Tokitobashi would be useless from Kaioken in these episodes actually Kaioken wasn't even mentioned in these episodes.

Yes, you do. If a gunman pointed a gun at you across a decent to large size room and you were tasked to react after he shoots at you. You'll be dead and couldn't even fire a few neurons during the time the bullet was traveling.

No, he didn't. But

- Goku said that Hit is restrained due to tournament rules but still stated that he was the one that was going to lose against the restrained Hit even as a SSJBKKx10.

- Hit is now clearly unrestrained due to lack of rules.

- Hit mentions that Tokitobashi is useless again Current Goku.

- Despite the lack of Tokitobashi, Goku states Hit is even better than he was in the tournament and that his techniques are even better than Tokitobashi.

It's like they throw in your face that this Hit is much better than the tournament one in both techniques and power yet current SSJB Goku is doing a better job than Tournament SSJBKKX10 Goku.

Also out of all the things DBS anime has done, you think Goku getting at least 10x stronger is ridiculous?

Goku didn't say that. He was sure that he could beat an unrestricted Hit, which was why he asked for the no-kill rule to be removed. He only said that he would have lost to Hit after Beerus wasted his time arguing with Champa instead of changing the rules.

[supersaiyangodgogeta]

Hit didn't state his Tokitobashi would be useless from Kaioken in these episodes actually Kaioken wasn't even mentioned in these episodes.

Yes, you do. If a gunman pointed a gun at you across a decent to large size room and you were tasked to react after he shoots at you. You'll be dead and couldn't even fire a few neurons during the time the bullet was traveling.

No, he didn't. But

- Goku said that Hit is restrained due to tournament rules but still stated that he was the one that was going to lose against the restrained Hit even as a SSJBKKx10.

- Hit is now clearly unrestrained due to lack of rules.

- Hit mentions that Tokitobashi is useless again Current Goku.

- Despite the lack of Tokitobashi, Goku states Hit is even better than he was in the tournament and that his techniques are even better than Tokitobashi.

It's like they throw in your face that this Hit is better than the tournament one but current Goku is doing a better job than Tournament SSJBKKX10 Goku.

Also out of all the things DBS anime has done, you think Goku getting at least 10x stronger is ridiculous?

Your argument doesn't make sense. You say that if just regular SSB Goku wasn't above Hit's Time skip, Hit could just use it in combination with his assassin techniques to kill Goku. Goku's power level surpasses Hit by far, so he is faster in everything. Your gunman example makes no sense.

1. Goku was able to transform from SSJG into SSB before Hit could use Time skip. He transformed into SSB before he even noticed in fact. In the same situation, he can use Kaioken.
2. SSB Goku already countered Hit's kill move by preemptively firing a Ki blast before dying, so Hit using Time skip prior wouldn't change the outcome.

-Hit uses Time skip.
-Crushes Goku's heart during the Time skip.
-Goku still fires off a blast before dying.

Hit's other techniques being better than Time skip isn't relevant. They are functionally different and don't have any effect on Goku himself, so there isn't any reason that Goku would need Kaioken in order to increase his power level and negate the effect.

Hit never claimed that his Time Skip was useless because of the Kaioken. Goku said that his Time Skip won't work and Hit agreed.

And? Not sure how anyone is claiming that the statement means that Time skip was useless against Goku at the level he was at during that very moment. Hit agreed that it was useless since Goku already countered it. Goku countered it with Kaioken.

Doesn't constitute as evidence that SSB Goku is above Hit's Time skip.

[HeroR]

Hit didn't state his Tokitobashi would be useless from Kaioken in these episodes actually Kaioken wasn't even mentioned in these episodes.

Yes, you do. If a gunman pointed a gun at you across a decent to large size room and you were tasked to react after he shoots at you. You'll be dead and couldn't even fire a few neurons during the time the bullet was traveling.

No, he didn't. But

- Goku said that Hit is restrained due to tournament rules but still stated that he was the one that was going to lose against the restrained Hit even as a SSJBKKx10.

- Hit is now clearly unrestrained due to lack of rules.

- Hit mentions that Tokitobashi is useless again Current Goku.

- Despite the lack of Tokitobashi, Goku states Hit is even better than he was in the tournament and that his techniques are even better than Tokitobashi.

It's like they throw in your face that this Hit is better than the tournament one but current Goku is doing a better job than Tournament SSJBKKX10 Goku.

Also out of all the things DBS anime has done, you think Goku getting at least 10x stronger is ridiculous?

Your argument doesn't make sense. You say that if just regular SSB Goku wasn't above Hit's Time skip, Hit could just use it in combination with his assassin techniques to kill Goku. Goku's power level surpasses Hit by far, so he is faster in everything.

1. Goku was able to transform from SSJG into SSB before Hit could use Time skip. He transformed into SSB before he even noticed in fact. In the same situation, he can use Kaioken.
2. Goku already countered Hit's kill move by preemptively firing a Ki blast before dying, so Hit using Time skip prior wouldn't change the outcome.

-Hit uses Time skip.
-Crushes Goku's heart during the Time skip.
-Goku still fires off a blast before dying.

Hit's other techniques being better than Time skip isn't relevant. They are functionally different and don't have any effect on Goku himself, so there isn't any reason that Goku would need Kaioken in order to increase his power level and negate the effect.

Hit never claimed that his Time Skip was useless because of the Kaioken. Goku said that his Time Skip won't work and Hit agreed.

And? Not sure how anyone is claiming that the statement means that Time skip was useless against Goku at the level he was at during that very moment. Hit agreed that it was useless since Goku already countered it. Goku countered it with Kaioken.

Doesn't constitute as evidence that SSB Goku is above Hit's Time skip.

The Kaioken wasn't even mentioned on top of Hit knowing the limitations of the technique. Goku can't use it willy-nilly and it burns out quickly. So Hit could have easily gambled using the Time Skip before Goku activated the Kaioken. He didn't. Goku said it wouldn't work, he agreed, and didn't even try. He didn't even use it as a last ditch effort to avoid Goku's attack.

[Helios518]

Your argument doesn't make sense. You say that if just regular SSB Goku wasn't above Hit's Time skip, Hit could just use it in combination with his assassin techniques to kill Goku. Goku's power level surpasses Hit by far, so he is faster in everything. Your gunman example makes no sense.

1. Goku was able to transform from SSJG into SSB before Hit could use Time skip. He transformed into SSB before he even noticed in fact. In the same situation, he can use Kaioken.
2. SSB Goku already countered Hit's kill move by preemptively firing a Ki blast before dying, so Hit using Time skip prior wouldn't change the outcome.

-Hit uses Time skip.
-Crushes Goku's heart during the Time skip.
-Goku still fires off a blast before dying.

Hit's other techniques being better than Time skip isn't relevant. They are functionally different and don't have any effect on Goku himself, so there isn't any reason that Goku would need Kaioken in order to increase his power level and negate the effect.

Hit never claimed that his Time Skip was useless because of the Kaioken. Goku said that his Time Skip won't work and Hit agreed.

And? Not sure how anyone is claiming that the statement means that Time skip was useless against Goku at the level he was at during that very moment. Hit agreed that it was useless since Goku already countered it. Goku countered it with Kaioken.

Doesn't constitute as evidence that SSB Goku is above Hit's Time skip.

The gunman example makes perfect sense. If Goku is that much faster than Hit, he should be able to speed blitz him before Hit could process what happened just like how a man can't react to accurate gunfire without aimdodging because of the speed that the bullets were traveling.

1. In the manga, Hit already used Tokitobashi when he caught SSJG Goku but Goku transformed to SSJB in the midst of the Tokitobashi not right before.

2. That's as much as a counter as going to the hospital after an injury. Even then you just proved my point, If Hit was using Tokitobashi many times on SSJBKKx10 Goku but in these episodes, they both admit it wouldn't work on Goku.

Hit's killing technique being better than Tokitobashi is relevant because that's Hit's forte and was the plot point of these episodes and Goku's forfeit. Current SSJB Goku literally fought better against an unrestrained and physically stronger Hit than SSJBKKx10 did against a restrained and physically weaker Hit.

SSJB Goku wasn't able to counter the improved Tokitobashi until after Kaioken was used but the soon gets countered by the new improved Tokitobashi being able to capture SSJBKKx10 Goku.

[supersaiyangodgogeta]

The gunman example makes perfect sense. If Goku is that much faster than Hit, he should be able to speed blitz him before Hit could process what happened just like how a man can't react to accurate gunfire without aimdodging because of the speed that the bullets were traveling.

1. In the manga, Hit already used Tokitobashi when he caught SSJG Goku but Goku transformed to SSJB in the midst of the Tokitobashi not right before.

2. That's as much as a counter as going to the hospital after an injury. Even then you just proved my point, If Hit was using Tokitobashi many times on SSJBKKx10 Goku but in these episodes, they both admit it wouldn't work on Goku.

Hit's killing technique being better than Tokitobashi is relevant because that's Hit's forte and was the plot point of these episodes and Goku's forfeit. Current SSJB Goku literally fought better against an unrestrained and physically stronger Hit than SSJBKKx10 did against a restrained and physically weaker Hit.

SSJB Goku wasn't able to counter the improved Tokitobashi until after Kaioken was used but the soon gets countered by the new improved Tokitobashi being able to capture SSJBKKx10 Goku.

Goku is that much faster than Hit yet Hit didn't get blitzed, so that forced conclusion doesn't logically follow.

You're basically claiming that Goku transformed while frozen, which is completely ridiculous. That isn't what's shown. The only time he could've transformed is the instant before Hit activated his Time skip. But if you want to claim that Goku can transform while frozen, then he can use Kaioken while frozen as well. That isn't what's shown though.

You're not even answering my post. There is no reason that Goku would need Kaioken against Hit's other techniques since they don't directly affect him. Them being better is irrelevant. They function differently. Goku needed Kaioken to stop himself from being frozen.

Hit landing blows on SSB Kaioken Goku while using Time skip doesn't mean anything. He kicked Hit into a wall regardless of the damage that Hit did and Goku even wanted to abolish the no kill rule since he was confident that he could win.

The Kaioken wasn't even mentioned on top of Hit knowing the limitations of the technique. Goku can't use it willy-nilly and it burns out quickly. So Hit could have easily gambled using the Time Skip before Goku activated the Kaioken. He didn't. Goku said it wouldn't work, he agreed, and didn't even try. He didn't even use it as a last ditch effort to avoid Goku's attack.

Kaioken doesn't need to be mentioned specifically. It's part of Goku's arsenal and is what he used to counter it before, which is how Hit came to the conclusion that Time skip was useless. It was already countered.

How does making up random scenarios that wouldn't happen prove your point? You're saying that Hit can activate Time skip before Goku can transform? He can't, end of story. We already saw that scenario.

Time skip+Assassin technique wouldn't kill Goku even if he stayed in SSB. He would still fire off his ki blast before dying.

I'm not sure how you're coming to the conclusion that Hit can use Time skip and his stored time power simultaneously.

[Bullza]

So if I said that Hit ranks somewhere between Super Saiyan Rose Black with the Sword and Super Saiyan Rose Black with the Scythe then would be in agreement?

If he's about on par with Super Saiyan Blue Goku or maybe a little below and he's probably a bit more the Scythe version of Black...then that would make sense to me.

[HeroR]

Kaioken doesn't need to be mentioned specifically. It's part of Goku's arsenal and is what he used to counter it before, which is how Hit came to the conclusion that Time skip was useless. It was already countered.

How does making up random scenario's that wouldn't happen prove your point? You're saying that Hit can activate Time skip before Goku can transform? He can't, end of story. We already saw that scenario.

Time skip+Assassin technique wouldn't kill Goku even if he stayed in SSB. He would still fire off his ki blast before dying.

I'm not sure how you're coming to the conclusion that Hit can use Time skip and his stored time power simultaneously.

Goku still can't freely use the Kaioken yet. Hit knows that, yet didn't even try to use the Time Skip. It isn't like he couldn't trigger it since Goku wasn't using the Kaioken if that was supposedly holding him back.

Hit can activate the Time Skip before Goku uses the Kaioken, just like he probably could've killed Goku when he took his back the episode before. Where are you getting the idea that he can't?

It would have disabled Goku and Hit could have easily crushed his skull in while he's down.

Where the conclusion that he can't?

[HeroR]

So if I said that Hit ranks somewhere between Super Saiyan Rose Black with the Sword and Super Saiyan Rose Black with the Scythe then would be in agreement?

If he's about on par with Super Saiyan Blue Goku or maybe a little below and he's probably a bit more the Scythe version of Black...then that would make sense to me.

That's vague since what is the power difference between Black with a sword vs. him using his scythe? All we know is that at the end, Black was the strongest character after Beerus without fusions. So if Hit is weaker than Goku, he isn't stronger than Black.

[Bullza]

That's vague since what is the power difference between Black with a sword vs. him using his scythe? All we know is that at the end, Black was the strongest character after Beerus without fusions. So if Hit is weaker than Goku, he isn't stronger than Black.

Well Black with the Sword was routinely stomped by SSJB Vegeta whose probably about as strong as SSJG Goku because they're always kinda equal now. Black with the scythe kinda implied that he was above them both.

Which makes me think it goes like this

SSJR Black with Scythe > SSJB Goku = SSJB Vegeta >= Hit > SSJR Black with Sword

[GodVegetto91]

It's true then guys!

Goku has now become MORE than 10 times as strong than he was during the tournament!

Hit was keeping up with 10x KK SSJ Blue Goku during the tournament. (Both in the same realm as power ofcourse)

NOW Goku was keeping up with an "even stronger Hit!" All by himself! (No kaioken)
In this episode Goku stated that Hit is now WAY beyond what he was back during the tournament! (And he was keeping up with a 10x more powerful version of SSJ Blue Goku!)

[Helios518]

Goku is that much faster than Hit yet Hit didn't get blitzed, so that forced conclusion doesn't logically follow.

You're basically claiming that Goku transformed while frozen, which is completely ridiculous. That isn't what's shown. The only time he could've transformed is the instant before Hit activated his Time skip. But if you want to claim that Goku can transform while frozen, then he can use Kaioken while frozen as well. That isn't what's shown though.

You're not even answering my post. There is no reason that Goku would need Kaioken against Hit's other techniques since they don't directly affect him. Them being better is irrelevant. They function differently. Goku needed Kaioken to stop himself from being frozen.

Hit landing blows on SSB Kaioken Goku while using Time skip doesn't mean anything. He kicked Hit into a wall regardless of the damage that Hit did and Goku even wanted to abolish the no kill rule since he was confident that he could win.

The Kaioken wasn't even mentioned on top of Hit knowing the limitations of the technique. Goku can't use it willy-nilly and it burns out quickly. So Hit could have easily gambled using the Time Skip before Goku activated the Kaioken. He didn't. Goku said it wouldn't work, he agreed, and didn't even try. He didn't even use it as a last ditch effort to avoid Goku's attack.

Kaioken doesn't need to be mentioned specifically. It's part of Goku's arsenal and is what he used to counter it before, which is how Hit came to the conclusion that Time skip was useless. It was already countered.


How does making up random scenarios that wouldn't happen prove your point? You're saying that Hit can activate Time skip before Goku can transform? He can't, end of story. We already saw that scenario.

Time skip+Assassin technique wouldn't kill Goku even if he stayed in SSB. He would still fire off his ki blast before dying.

I'm not sure how you're coming to the conclusion that Hit can use Time skip and his stored time power simultaneously.

If Goku isn't that much faster than Hit then they're near each other's power, proving my point.

Now I noticed the SSJG thing, my bad.It still doesn't proved that much considering SSJG Goku and Full Powered Hit are close to each other and one can't speed blitz the other.

Goku used Kaioken to overpower Tokitobashi later on. This and last episode, Hit didn't used the Tokitobashi because SSJB Goku was already above it in power despite their last encounter showed that a Tokitobashi is capable of capturing HIt.

Considering there's we've seen characters we've seen a 2x gap in power one shot the weaker opponent and Goku didn't do that to Hit, tells you a lot about Hit's power. He didn't want to abolish the no-kill rule because he was confident he can still win, it's merely Goku being selfish and wanting to fight/see his opponent at his best but whether the opponent at his best is much better than what Goku can imagine is the gamble he takes. If what you're saying is correct then how can an all round better Hit be struggling to a weaker Goku?

Episode 71/2 Hit < Current SSJB Goku <<< SSJBKKx10 Goku >=< Champa Arc Peak Hit < Unrestrained Hit < Episode 71/2 Hit, wut?

[TheMikado]

Looking at the end scene again it actually looks like...

1. Goku starts to power up.

2. Hit uses his new time storage ability to retreat back into his parallel world.

3. Goku's power behind to crack this parallel world dome thing that Hit is in.

4. Then when Goku uses the Kamehameha it completely shatters.

So basically he destroyed Hit's parallel world which probably at that point meant that Hit would have needed to store up time once again before making the dome.

Looks like Beerus may actually be far more powerful than we'd imagined.

That would make the whole BOG arc pointless and 10% Rageta stonger than any other character other than the gods.

[Saiyan007]

Looking at the end scene again it actually looks like...

1. Goku starts to power up.

2. Hit uses his new time storage ability to retreat back into his parallel world.

3. Goku's power behind to crack this parallel world dome thing that Hit is in.

4. Then when Goku uses the Kamehameha it completely shatters.

So basically he destroyed Hit's parallel world which probably at that point meant that Hit would have needed to store up time once again before making the dome.

Looks like Beerus may actually be far more powerful than we'd imagined.

That would make the whole BOG arc pointless and 10% Rageta stonger than any other character other than the gods.

Beerus is an ever shifting goal post he's as strong as the show demands him to be.

This episode confirms that Beerus is over 100x stronger than SSJG Goku

[supersaiyangodgogeta]

Kaioken doesn't need to be mentioned specifically. It's part of Goku's arsenal and is what he used to counter it before, which is how Hit came to the conclusion that Time skip was useless. It was already countered.

How does making up random scenario's that wouldn't happen prove your point? You're saying that Hit can activate Time skip before Goku can transform? He can't, end of story. We already saw that scenario.

Time skip+Assassin technique wouldn't kill Goku even if he stayed in SSB. He would still fire off his ki blast before dying.

I'm not sure how you're coming to the conclusion that Hit can use Time skip and his stored time power simultaneously.

Goku still can't freely use the Kaioken yet. Hit knows that, yet didn't even try to use the Time Skip. It isn't like he couldn't trigger it since Goku wasn't using the Kaioken if that was supposedly holding him back.

Hit can activate the Time Skip before Goku uses the Kaioken, just like he probably could've killed Goku when he took his back the episode before. Where are you getting the idea that he can't?

It would have disabled Goku and Hit could have easily crushed his skull in while he's down.

Where the conclusion that he can't?

Goku used Kaioken freely against Zamasu. If Hit can't activate Time skip before Goku can transform into SSB, then he can't activate it before Goku can use Kaioken. It's that simple. There's too many mental gymnastics going on here. It's beyond obvious that the intention of Goku and Hit's statement wasn't that current SSB Goku is above SSB Kaioken Goku from the tournament.

When Goku was "killed", Time skip wouldn't have made any difference in the situation.

Goku would just respond to Time skip with Kaioken and if Hit uses an assassination move, Goku endures long enough to blast himself in the heart then demolishes Hit, due to his heightened power level.

If Goku isn't that much faster than Hit then they're near each other's power, proving my point.

Now I noticed the SSJG thing, my bad.It still doesn't proved that much considering SSJG Goku and Full Powered Hit are close to each other and one can't speed blitz the other.

Goku used Kaioken to overpower Tokitobashi later on. This and last episode, Hit didn't used the Tokitobashi because SSJB Goku was already above it in power despite their last encounter showed that a Tokitobashi is capable of capturing HIt.

Considering there's we've seen characters we've seen a 2x gap in power one shot the weaker opponent and Goku didn't do that to Hit, tells you a lot about Hit's power. He didn't want to abolish the no-kill rule because he was confident he can still win, it's merely Goku being selfish and wanting to fight/see his opponent at his best but whether the opponent at his best is much better than what Goku can imagine is the gamble he takes. If what you're saying is correct then how can an all round better Hit be struggling to a weaker Goku?

Episode 71/2 Hit < Current SSJB Goku <<< SSJBKKx10 Goku >=< Champa Arc Peak Hit < Unrestrained Hit < Episode 71/2 Hit, wut?

You still aren't answering my post. SSB Goku not blitzing Hit is irrelevant. That doesn't put them at the same level. Vegeta didn't even blitz SSJ2 Trunks and he didn't one shot him either. Hit cannot Time skip faster than Goku can transform. There is a very small delay between Hit actually using Time skip and the opponent being frozen.

Goku stating that Time skip wouldn't work anymore doesn't mean that it can't freeze him. It just means that he can't be defeated by it.

In terms of pure power level:

tournament SSB Kaioken Goku>>>>>current SSB Goku>tournament SSB Goku>current Hit>tournament Hit. Hit's full power is SSJG level. Saying that he got a lot stronger doesn't imply that he covered the multifold gap between SSJG and SSB.
Hit can only fight on the level of SSB due to his Time skip and assassination techniques. He doesn't come close to fighting on that level of power on the merit of his own power level.

If current Hit used Time skip, he would've forced Kaioken. Time skip is useless vs Kaioken Goku, so he skipped it entirely and used techniques that Goku weren't familiar with.

[Helios518]

You still aren't answering my post. SSB Goku not blitzing Hit is irrelevant. That doesn't put them at the same level. Vegeta didn't even blitz SSJ2 Trunks and he didn't one shot him either. Hit cannot Time skip faster than Goku can transform. There is a very small delay between Hit actually using Time skip and the opponent being frozen.

Goku stating that Time skip wouldn't work anymore doesn't mean that it can't freeze him. It just means that he can't be defeated by it.

In terms of pure power level:

tournament SSB Kaioken Goku>>>>>current SSB Goku>tournament SSB Goku>current Hit>tournament Hit. Hit's full power is SSJG level. Saying that he got a lot stronger doesn't imply that he covered the multifold gap between SSJG and SSB.
Hit can only fight on the level of SSB due to his Time skip and assassination techniques. He doesn't come close to fighting on that level of power on the merit of his own power level.

If current Hit used Time skip, he would've forced Kaioken. Time skip is useless vs Kaioken Goku, so he skipped it entirely and used techniques that Goku weren't familiar with.

Because SSJB Vegeta isn't trying to heavily overpower his son, only just enough that Trunks could do anything otherwise Trunks won't receive any gains.

Baseless sources that Hit doesn't come close to SSJBs in power. He without the use of Tokitobashi, still was able to keep up, dish out attacks, and take attacks from one.

How is Tokitobashi useless against Kaioken Goku? We've seen it work on it later on in the tournament fight. His job was to kill Goku, if he could've used Tokitobashi effectively then he would've done it but then Goku & Hit both state it's useless to do that. The entire point of this mini-arc was to show a unrestrained Hit except they can't do that if Hit is limiting himself.

[supersaiyangodgogeta]

You still aren't answering my post. SSB Goku not blitzing Hit is irrelevant. That doesn't put them at the same level. Vegeta didn't even blitz SSJ2 Trunks and he didn't one shot him either. Hit cannot Time skip faster than Goku can transform. There is a very small delay between Hit actually using Time skip and the opponent being frozen.

Goku stating that Time skip wouldn't work anymore doesn't mean that it can't freeze him. It just means that he can't be defeated by it.

In terms of pure power level:

tournament SSB Kaioken Goku>>>>>current SSB Goku>tournament SSB Goku>current Hit>tournament Hit. Hit's full power is SSJG level. Saying that he got a lot stronger doesn't imply that he covered the multifold gap between SSJG and SSB.
Hit can only fight on the level of SSB due to his Time skip and assassination techniques. He doesn't come close to fighting on that level of power on the merit of his own power level.

If current Hit used Time skip, he would've forced Kaioken. Time skip is useless vs Kaioken Goku, so he skipped it entirely and used techniques that Goku weren't familiar with.

Because SSJB Vegeta isn't trying to heavily overpower his son, only just enough that Trunks could do anything otherwise Trunks won't receive any gains.

Baseless sources that Hit doesn't come close to SSJBs in power. He without the use of Tokitobashi, still was able to keep up, dish out attacks, and take attacks from one.

How is Tokitobashi useless against Kaioken Goku? We've seen it work on it later on in the tournament fight. His job was to kill Goku, if he could've used Tokitobashi effectively then he would've done it but then Goku & Hit both state it's useless to do that. The entire point of this mini-arc was to show a unrestrained Hit except they can't do that if Hit is limiting himself.

The bold makes zero sense and no such thing is hinted anywhere. That isn't how "gains" work. Once again, mental gymnastics. Vegeta wanted to see if Trunks could get a hit on him while he was at full power. Vegeta went all out until Trunks was on the ground, reverted back to base. He didn't blitz him.

Power level wise Hit is SSJG level as shown. Hit kept up with SSB with his Time skip and stored time power, not purely due to his power level.

Stopping Kaioken Goku then getting immediately thrashed afterwards doesn't fall into the category of "working against Goku". He couldn't get a meaningful opportunity from it. Hit didn't limit himself. He simply didn't use a useless move.
No reason for him to use moves that Goku knows how to counter instead of ones that he doesn't. It's not like Kaioken is Goku's only way of countering Time skip either.
He can just predict where Hit would be after his Time skip like he did before.

[HeroR]

That's vague since what is the power difference between Black with a sword vs. him using his scythe? All we know is that at the end, Black was the strongest character after Beerus without fusions. So if Hit is weaker than Goku, he isn't stronger than Black.

Well Black with the Sword was routinely stomped by SSJB Vegeta whose probably about as strong as SSJG Goku because they're always kinda equal now. Black with the scythe kinda implied that he was above them both.

Which makes me think it goes like this

SSJR Black with Scythe > SSJB Goku = SSJB Vegeta >= Hit > SSJR Black with Sword

Hit could be weaker than Black before his last power since Hit's power isn't his physical strength.

[Helios518]

The bold makes zero sense and no such thing is hinted anywhere. That isn't how "gains" work. Once again, mental gymnastics. Vegeta wanted to see if Trunks could get a hit on him while he was at full power. Vegeta went all out until Trunks was on the ground, reverted back to base. He didn't blitz him.

Power level wise Hit is SSJG level as shown. Hit kept up with SSB with his Time skip and stored time power, not purely due to his power level.

Stopping Kaioken Goku then getting immediately thrashed afterwards doesn't fall into the category of "working against Goku". He couldn't get a meaningful opportunity from it. Hit didn't limit himself. He simply didn't use a useless move.
No reason for him to use moves that Goku knows how to counter instead of ones that he doesn't. It's not like Kaioken is Goku's only way of countering Time skip either.
He can just predict where Hit would be after his Time skip like he did before.

Mate, a SSJ3 Goku one-shotted the same SSJ2 Trunks, Is that SSJB Vegeta now weaker than that SSJ3 Goku?

The DBS manga isn't evidence for the anime.

Obviously when you only use the first 30 seconds of the fight to compare the rest of the fight it doesn't seem like but the mere fact that Goku was still getting troubled shows you Hit's power.
How is it useless? It takes much longer for Goku to go SSJBKKx10 than it takes for Hit to use Tokitobashi even then the Tokitobashi has worked on Tournament SSJBKKx10 Goku.
I already mentioned that after the Tokitobashi improved, Goku was forced to use kaioken and at that point, Goku couldn't counter it like he previously did even then Tokitobashi was further improved to capture SSJBKKx10 Goku.