The All-Purpose "What-If " Thread

[Doctor.]

I used to think they would easily reach the level of Super Vegetto.

Now that Super reveals Trunks' potential is closer to a f#@%ing Super Saiyan God Vegetto and his new form still isn't even close to unlocking everything, I say they'd surpass Beerus and Whis.

Just because Trunks was able to obtain that level of power at 30 doesn't mean he has it available as a 7 year old.

Old Kai's potential unlock is meant to unlock all the power you will ever get and then some regardless of your age.

Not exactly, some characters break their limits. You think Goku would get as strong as Super Saiyan Blue if elder Kai unlocked his potential at the start of the series? I doubt it.

[ekrolo2]

Not exactly, some characters break their limits. You think Goku would get as strong as Super Saiyan Blue if elder Kai unlocked his potential at the start of the series? I doubt it.

I think there's a distinct difference between how pure Saiyan's get strength and hybrids. Hybrids very clearly have a lot of power in the can since their birth and its all a matter of them training hard enough to unlock all of that. Pure Saiyan's don't, they just forcibly get stronger through increasingly taxing methods.

Just look at how Goku and Vegeta have to train like maniacs for seven years to barely get stronger than Gohan was at the Cell Games. Their growth is about forcibly pushing their limits, not about having a lot of natural power simply stored away.

[Doctor.]

Not exactly, some characters break their limits. You think Goku would get as strong as Super Saiyan Blue if elder Kai unlocked his potential at the start of the series? I doubt it.

I think there's a distinct difference between how pure Saiyan's get strength and hybrids. Hybrids very clearly have a lot of power in the can since their birth and its all a matter of them training hard enough to unlock all of that. Pure Saiyan's don't, they just forcibly get stronger through increasingly taxing methods.

Just look at how Goku and Vegeta have to train like maniacs for seven years to barely get stronger than Gohan was at the Cell Games. Their growth is about forcibly pushing their limits, not about having a lot of natural power simply stored away.

I mean... Gohan got his potential unlocked how many times again?

[ekrolo2]

I mean... Gohan got his potential unlocked how many times again?

Once but I don't think the Grand Elder ever said he could completely release someone's strength I don't think.

[TheUltimateNinja]

I used to think they would easily reach the level of Super Vegetto.

Now that Super reveals Trunks' potential is closer to a f#@%ing Super Saiyan God Vegetto and his new form still isn't even close to unlocking everything, I say they'd surpass Beerus and Whis.

Just because Trunks was able to obtain that level of power at 30 doesn't mean he has it available as a 7 year old.

Old Kai's potential unlock is meant to unlock all the power you will ever get and then some regardless of your age.

Really? Then why are so many fans clamoring for a Gohan comeback when we already saw his maximum back in the Buu Arc? Also, Vegeta was said to have obtained God ki on his own through training alone, so if he got unlocked would he surpass Beerus?

[ekrolo2]

Really? Then why are so many fans clamoring for a Gohan comeback when we already saw his maximum back in the Buu Arc? Also, Vegeta was said to have obtained God ki on his own through training alone, so if he got unlocked would he surpass Beerus?

Gohan tapped out his regular ki's potential I think, but God Ki is clearly a new avenue of power he's yet to use period so I think that's why people are excited by the prospect of him becoming stronger still. Its like how Goku & Vegeta are tapped out by the Boo arc then GT & Super invented new avenues of power for them with 4 and God Ki.

As for Vegeta, my stance on that question is the same as any rational human beings on Super's power scaling: who the fuck knows.

[TheUltimateNinja]

Really? Then why are so many fans clamoring for a Gohan comeback when we already saw his maximum back in the Buu Arc? Also, Vegeta was said to have obtained God ki on his own through training alone, so if he got unlocked would he surpass Beerus?

Gohan tapped out his regular ki's potential I think, but God Ki is clearly a new avenue of power he's yet to use period so I think that's why people are excited by the prospect of him becoming stronger still. Its like how Goku & Vegeta are tapped out by the Boo arc then GT & Super invented new avenues of power for them with 4 and God Ki.

Their improvement had slowed down, but their power still steadily growing. Both Goku and Vegeta became a decent amount stronger by BoG without the aid of God ki.

[ekrolo2]

Really? Then why are so many fans clamoring for a Gohan comeback when we already saw his maximum back in the Buu Arc? Also, Vegeta was said to have obtained God ki on his own through training alone, so if he got unlocked would he surpass Beerus?

Gohan tapped out his regular ki's potential I think, but God Ki is clearly a new avenue of power he's yet to use period so I think that's why people are excited by the prospect of him becoming stronger still. Its like how Goku & Vegeta are tapped out by the Boo arc then GT & Super invented new avenues of power for them with 4 and God Ki.

Their improvement had slowed down, but their power still steadily growing. Both Goku and Vegeta became a decent amount stronger by BoG without the aid of God ki.

I don't know how possible that is really. The biggest strength gains Goku and Vegeta get after Namek just taking the manga into account come from the ROSAT, all the other stuff doesn't help them improve much. Goku isn't much stronger from the 3-year training and he has to spend 7 years to just sort of bypass Gohan from the Cell Games, same thing with Vegeta.

[kinisking]

Unlocking potential in dragonBall is bullshit. Goku had his unlocked in dragonBall, vegeta had it unlocked in the boo arc, gohan got it twice. Toriyama probably intended Gohan's boo arc strength to be the maximum at the time of writing because he thought the series would end there but at this point it isn't viable. Goku and vegeta have surpassed that tremendously, and Gohan still has more potential than them.

[Big Green The Yoshi]

I honestly think that everything in the series except Ultimate Gohan is a potential boost. Grand Kai likely unlocked all of Gohan's hidden Ki. That's also why he can't go Super Saiyan.

[Merged Zamasu]

Don't know if it's been asked already, but what if Zeno had never shown up against Zamasu? What if Zamasu continued to grow in his Bodiless form? Would Zamasu's power truly have expanded to no end? He became one with the Universe, so he technically should have been able to do anything by that point. Would he have managed to match Zeno himself, one day? Would he have remade the Universe in his image? Zamasu would have had endless possibilities if Goku hadn't pushed that damn button. I don't think even Zeno could have defeated Zamasu if he were allowed to truly spread his influence all over the Universe, Gowasu wasn't joking when he said that "Zamasu's power expanded to no end" and that "Him standing as a God was beyond even his understanding".

[Rumanid]

Don't know if it's been asked already, but what if Zeno had never shown up against Zamasu? What if Zamasu continued to grow in his Bodiless form? Would Zamasu's power truly have expanded to no end? He became one with the Universe, so he technically should have been able to do anything by that point. Would he have managed to match Zeno himself, one day? Would he have remade the Universe in his image? Zamasu would have had endless possibilities if Goku hadn't pushed that damn button. I don't think even Zeno could have defeated Zamasu if he were allowed to truly spread his influence all over the Universe, Gowasu wasn't joking when he said that "Zamasu's power expanded to no end" and that "Him standing as a God was beyond even his understanding".

A Zeno would eventually destroy him. The collateral damage between different Zenoes and Zamasus destroying and consuming timelines and universes would probably shatter the entire plain of existance and kill untold trillions and beyond.

[Hellspawn28]

What if Goten was born a year after Gohan? How would the Saiyan - Buu saga turn out?

[kinisking]

What if Goten was born a year after Gohan? How would the Saiyan - Buu saga turn out?

Dies he still have the ability to turn super saiyan by age 7?

[Hellspawn28]

No. It would be interesting if Goku had two kids at the start of DBZ.

[ekrolo2]

What if Goten was born a year after Gohan? How would the Saiyan - Buu saga turn out?

According to this, he'd die and Gohan would become a Super Saiyan:

[RandomGuy96]

What if Goten was born a year after Gohan? How would the Saiyan - Buu saga turn out?

According to this, he'd die and Gohan would become a Super Saiyan:

Freeza promptly easily smacks down the "Super Saiyan" with a battle power of slightly over 10 million.

[TheUltimateNinja]

What if Goten was born a year after Gohan? How would the Saiyan - Buu saga turn out?

According to this, he'd die and Gohan would become a Super Saiyan:
[spoiler][/spoiler]

Freeza promptly easily smacks down the "Super Saiyan" with a battle power of slightly over 10 million.

Given that Gohan's power while rage boosted was well in excess of a million, it would be more like 70 or 80 million. Still a level Frieza can easily beat at full power, but an enraged Gohan isn't going to let him power up like Goku.

[ekrolo2]

Given that Gohan's power while rage boosted was well in excess of a million, it would be more like 70 or 80 million. Still a level Frieza can easily beat at full power, but an enraged Gohan isn't going to let him power up like Goku.

I don't know what Gohan's PL is after his last on-screen Zenkai but he would probably beat Freeza to death before he could power up.

[TheUltimateNinja]

Given that Gohan's power while rage boosted was well in excess of a million, it would be more like 70 or 80 million. Still a level Frieza can easily beat at full power, but an enraged Gohan isn't going to let him power up like Goku.

I don't know what Gohan's PL is after his last on-screen Zenkai but he would probably beat Freeza to death before he could power up.

We know he's weaker than Vegeta who is a joke compared to Goku who is at 3 million, so it'd be safe to say Gohan is around 1.5 million.

However Frieza can power up to 50% almost instantaneously, and then 70% in very little time as well. This would put him at 84 million.