Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

[HeroR]

I hope goku and geets never surpass Beerus. The idea that some fans want these full blood saiyans (who have honestly become stronger than they have any right to be) becoming stronger than a god of destruction is ludicrous

AT thankfully knows this. that's why he says he has no plans for them to ever reach that level

He said he has not plans 'any time soon' since he sees Beerus as the end goal. So he may have them surpassed Beerus in the future. Just not now.

Is SSGod confirmed to be above SSJ3 Vegetto? I know Goku said Vegetto wouldn't be enough to deal with Beerus, but SSGod wasn't enough either. And perhaps he didn't consider Vegetto going SSJ3.

Why wouldn't Goku considered Super Saiyan 3 Vegetto? He just fought Beerus as a Super Saiyan 3 and got two-shotted. Goku was also Vegetto and when he became a god, he said this power is beyond anything he has ever experience and he didn't know this world even existed. Unless you think Goku has no imagination and can't properly guess how strong Super Saiyan 3 Vegetto would be if he fused with Vegeta at that moment, which I find highly unlikely, Super Saiyan God is in another realm of power.

[TheMikado]

I see the two base theory, or God ki on/off theory or whatever you want to call it is still in full effect. We've been arguing over this for almost a year now...

[Bullza]

Is SSGod confirmed to be above SSJ3 Vegetto? I know Goku said Vegetto wouldn't be enough to deal with Beerus, but SSGod wasn't enough either. And perhaps he didn't consider Vegetto going SSJ3.

He said fusing with Vegeta wouldn't be enough. Super Saiyan 3 Vegito is one possible result of their fusion.

It'd be weird storytelling to write off one method as not being good enough but then spend the rest of the movie hyping up and introducing Super Saiyan God form only for it to be intended to be weaker.


Also Trunks' new form is called Super Saiyan Rage which tells us nothing about what the form actually is.

[Hugo Boss]

SSG Goku being powerful than SS3 Vegetto confirmed? No. But it's not impossible.

Btw, Super Saiyan Ikari seems self-explanatory. It's a Super Saiyan with the power of rage.

[ekrolo2]

SSG Goku being powerful than SS3 Vegetto confirmed? No. But it's not impossible.

Btw, Super Saiyan Ikari seems self-explanatory. It's a Super Saiyan with the power of rage.

As opposed to unmastered Super Saiyan 1 and 2 which were powered by happy thoughts? Or SSBlue which has factually been boosted by anger too as evidenced by Vegeta and Goku?

This forms name is about as well thought out as the form itself: not at all.

[Bullza]

I still think it's just a condensed Ultra Super Saiyan 2. What condensed it I don't know but that's definitely what it looks like and what makes the most sense.

[ekrolo2]

Here's what Trunks' new form actually is:

[Marlowe89]

Also Trunks' new form is called Super Saiyan Rage which tells us nothing about what the form actually is.

Alright, I'm usually pretty forgiving towards some of the crazier names that have been in this franchise but that one's incredibly stupid.

Now I'm actually starting to wonder if it does have something to do with his half-breed potential.

[TheUltimateNinja]

Does it refer to the form with the blue tint or the one that's identical to SSJ2?

[ChiefWamsutta]

Does it refer to the form with the blue tint or the one that's identical to SSJ2?

Super Saiyan Rage is the Super Trunks form.

I don't know if I like it ... the blue and yellow needs to be described. I wish it was called Super Saiyan Blue Super Saiyan to mean blue aura in the Super Saiyan form.

[perucho1990]

My take on SSJ Ikari, i think to reach it u need a truly breaking point.

Vegeta got it because Beerus hurt Bulma, and also showed how much Vegeta loves her.

Trunks got it because he wanted to protect his timeline so badly.

Gohan should get it because of his determination of protecting his family(he said it back way in FnF when he was overwhelming Shisami).

[Bullza]

At least it looks cool, it should have been what Super Saiyan 2 was to be honest it looks a lot better. It's surely a Toei created form so I don't expect the manga to have the same form and explain it better.

It wouldn't surprise me if Trunks either gets no form at all or even if he did just gets Super Saiyan 3.

[Helios518]

This sounds insane but Vegeta probably reached U6 SSJBKKX10 Goku level on episode 63 after training in the ROSAT and later on "beating up" Black, which then it caused him to get stronger, logically speaking(Black zenkais were very hax).

Remember that Vegeta reached Godtier level in 6 months after training with Whiss, so reaching U6 SSJBKKX10 Goku level after training for 12 hours(6months) in the ROSAT was very possible.

At this point, I wouldn't be surprised if that's the case actually for anything it probable for it to be the case (at least him getting close to that level of power) considering all the BS & mess the DBS anime has given us.

[ChiefWamsutta]

My take on SSJ Ikari, i think to reach it u need a truly breaking point.

Vegeta got it because Beerus hurt Bulma, and also showed how much Vegeta loves her.

Trunks got it because he wanted to protect his timeline so badly.

Gohan should get it because of his determination of protecting his family(he said it back way in FnF when he was overwhelming Shisami).

But ... Vegeta never went Super Saiyan Rage. He just got a power boost that put him above Super Saiyan Vegito.

[Abra kadabra]

My take on SSJ Ikari, i think to reach it u need a truly breaking point.

Vegeta got it because Beerus hurt Bulma, and also showed how much Vegeta loves her.

Trunks got it because he wanted to protect his timeline so badly.

Gohan should get it because of his determination of protecting his family(he said it back way in FnF when he was overwhelming Shisami).

But ... Vegeta never went Super Saiyan Rage. He just got a power boost that put him above Super Saiyan Vegito.

Was vegeta's rage boost ever explained? I keep hearing that it was a mutation but he didn't keep the boost

[HeroR]

Was vegeta's rage boost ever explained? I keep hearing that it was a mutation but he didn't keep the boost

The narrative for Super called it a mutation of Vegeta's Super Saiyan form. In the movie, it was just a major rage boost.

[ChiefWamsutta]

Was vegeta's rage boost ever explained? I keep hearing that it was a mutation but he didn't keep the boost

The narrative for Super called it a mutation of Vegeta's Super Saiyan form. In the movie, it was just a major rage boost.

To go Super Saiyan Rage though, he would have to have had blue ki. So, it may have just been something else. If it was a Super Saiyan 2 Mutation form, wouldn't we have seen it again?

Crunchyroll calls it: Dragon Ball Super Episode 7 – How Dare You Hurt My Bulma! Vegeta's Sudden, Angry Shift?!

Herms states:
Minute: 3
Episode title: "Vegeta's Furious Mutation"
Significance: The key word here is 突然変異/totsu-zen hen'i, literally meaning a "sudden change", but in practice the Japanese word for a mutation. It's how Ginyu describes the extreme natural fighting talent which he and the rest of the Ginyu Force were born with, for instance. It's therefore kind of an odd thing to use to describe a Super Saiyan-style transformation, as it's used there. Probably because of this, DT translates the episode title as "Vegeta's Total, Furious Change".

[HeroR]

Crunchyroll calls it: Dragon Ball Super Episode 7 – How Dare You Hurt My Bulma! Vegeta's Sudden, Angry Shift?!

Herms states:
Minute: 3
Episode title: "Vegeta's Furious Mutation"
Significance: The key word here is 突然変異/totsu-zen hen'i, literally meaning a "sudden change", but in practice the Japanese word for a mutation. It's how Ginyu describes the extreme natural fighting talent which he and the rest of the Ginyu Force were born with, for instance. It's therefore kind of an odd thing to use to describe a Super Saiyan-style transformation, as it's used there. Probably because of this, DT translates the episode title as "Vegeta's Total, Furious Change".

As far as we know, there is no relation between Vegeta's rage boost and Trunks' Super Saiyan form.

[perucho1990]

Vegeta couldve reached SSJ Ikari complete mode if he continued training without a calm mind and IIRC Whis told him to have a calm mind in order to achieve SSJB mode.

[Abra kadabra]

Vegeta couldve reached SSJ Ikari complete mode if he continued training without a calm mind and IIRC Whis told him to have a calm mind in order to achieve SSJB mode.

Dude call it SSJRage. I'm getting evangelion flashbacks