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Re: Do you like Kuririn?

Post by kinisking » Mon Dec 26, 2016 2:09 am

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kinisking wrote:What do you consider relevant to the plot then? Do they have to win the tournament to be considered relevant to the plot? Krillin was definitely a main character during dragonBall and was utilized pretty well. He didn't beat any main villians or win the tournaments but he got the spotlight more than a few times.
It means that his actions are crucial and the story couldn't get to the same end result without him.

For instance, Kuririn was relevant in the Saiyan arc because he contributed to the fight against Vegeta and, without him, everyone would have died. Unlike him, Tenshinhan died almost instantly, so even if he got a cool moment out of it, he wasn't relevant because he did not inflict any damage on the opponents.

Kuririn wasn't relevant in the 21st TB because he lost in the first round. He wasn't relevant in the Red Ribbon Army arc because Goku would achieve the same end-goal regardless of Kuririn's help. He wasn't relevant in either of the 22nd or 23rd TBs because his fights didn't affect the overall outcome.
Krillin was relevant during the baba tournament arc because it was his idea that helped defeat invisible man. Who knows if even Goku could have defeated him?

Krillin did win his first match against bacteria in the 21st budokai btw. But, according to your standards he wasn't relevant in that arc.

Krillin did impact the ending of the 22 TB. I'm pretty sure Goku would have lost to Chaozu tbh. Krillin only won by being underhanded which is something Goku wouldn't have done. I also think he was the one who told Goku about sunglasses which helped him against tien.

Although not relevant by your standards, during the 23rd budokai he did help change Piccolo's mind about Earth a little bit.

He was also relevant in changing Goku's character growth during the original dragonBall.
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Re: Do you like Kuririn?

Post by Captain Strawberry » Mon Dec 26, 2016 2:21 pm

Yes. And I like his character development in Dragon ball
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Re: Do you like Kuririn?

Post by TekTheNinja » Mon Dec 26, 2016 5:36 pm

precita wrote:He also is/was essentially Goku's best friend, at least until Vegeta became buddy-buddy with Goku.
Ugh... Don't remind me. I really hate that. Krillin is and will always be Goku's best friend, even if Super likes to act like he's not. Seriously those two have barely exchanged words. It legitimately angers me! DX

But yeah. I fucking love Krillin. He's probably my favorite character.

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Re: Do you like Kuririn?

Post by Lord Beerus » Mon Dec 26, 2016 8:49 pm

Hell yeah, I like Krillin. He's in my top ten favourite characters in all of Dragon Ball. Brave, reliable, and pretty well characterised.

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Re: Do you like Kuririn?

Post by floofychan333 » Tue Dec 27, 2016 1:14 am

Love Kuririn! He's an awesome character and the only human not to be screwed over by Toei and Akira Toriyama. Even though he fell behind in strength by the Cell arc, he still stuck around and is the only original cast member asides from Goku and Bulma to have a family and not be completely pushed to the background.
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Re: Do you like Kuririn?

Post by Attitudefan » Tue Dec 27, 2016 2:41 am

It's not Krillin. He's a great character!

It's the misuse of Tenshinhan and Yamcha!

The Garlic Jr arc would have been better if Toei used Ten and Yamcha rather than just the Namek arc crew. By the time the anime finished the Namek arc, one could argue there is a bit of burnout from those characters used and the filler would have benefited greatly to see the resurrected members play a part once again. Problem is, Toei and Toriyama like to pretend other characters stop existing...
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Re: Do you like Kuririn?

Post by WobbuSleuth » Tue Dec 27, 2016 3:05 pm

I like Kurilin. I don't like that he was only human character that was kinda important in later arcs.
He is entertaining, of course, but Yamcha, Tien and Chaotzu are great characters too! (Maybe Chaotzu not so great, but it's because Toriyama didn't know how to use him, apparently)
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Re: Do you like Kuririn?

Post by Attitudefan » Tue Dec 27, 2016 9:16 pm

WobbuSleuth wrote:I like Kurilin. I don't like that he was only human character that was kinda important in later arcs.
He is entertaining, of course, but Yamcha, Tien and Chaotzu are great characters too! (Maybe Chaotzu not so great, but it's because Toriyama didn't know how to use him, apparently)
Chaotzu should've died at the hands of Tao around the 23rd Tenkaichi Budokai. He wouldn't be brought back because he's been wished back once before. He might as well be dead as the canon nearly treats him that way from that point on.

It would also be an even better way to show how Ten developed by sparing Tao even though he took his friend's life.
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Re: Do you like Kuririn?

Post by Bryesque » Wed Feb 15, 2017 2:05 am

He's my favourite character. I love pretty much all of the DB characters, but Kuririn/Krillin's character and growth have always really hit home for me. So he's #1 in my books.

I feel like he's kind of the "heart" of the cast in a lot of ways... He's developed from a bit of a scheming jerk/rival, to showing he's a bit deeper than expected... struggling with confidence issues, but always stepping up to the occasion, even when he's outmatched. He may not be the Big Hero, he may get overshadowed by the more powerful fighters, but without him they'd be lost. He's tenacious as hell, and he has the best track record of a "regular humanoid" DB character for that reason, and all without any special natural gifts like the other big-leagues fighters.

He's also one of those "brains over brawn" kind of characters I always like, whose real talent comes from cleverness and skill instead of just sheer power. He's outclassed by a lot of the other characters, but he works even harder comparatively, and manages to consistently make a difference in spite of everything.

I actually wonder if he could ride Kinto'un at this point, after all of his development... He was introduced bribing Roshi with nudie mags, and was motivated by selfish desires, so naturally he wasn't "pure of heart" at that point. Since then, though, he's become an extremely kind and selfless, and at times self-sacrificing, hero.

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Re: Do you like Kuririn?

Post by Gog » Wed Feb 15, 2017 2:32 am

Nah, I don't like the little guy.

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Re: Do you like Kuririn?

Post by MisteryOne » Wed Feb 15, 2017 2:45 am

Of course. As other people have noted, it's the best written human character. However the rest of the human for some reason has never being as important as him in pretty much all of Z. The Universe Survival mayhe fix that, or not, but if we're speaking about Z his role is definetly bigger than the other humans, I have never understood why. I suppose it's easier to focus the story arc around a little group of characters, but still, Yamcha or Tien could have had a bit more of screentime instead of Krillin.
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Re: Do you like Kuririn?

Post by Vijay » Wed Feb 15, 2017 4:55 am

I'm one of those guys that hated Kuririn

Felt he was easily most pointless character EVER

Yamucha was cooler

Tien was tougher/taller baldy

Muten Roshi was legend

Kuririn was....err....a baldy....

He had 1 chance to prove his worth in Cell Arc & fucked it up by destroying the remote

Though gotta say Tanaka Mayumi really made the character endearing instead of annoying

Over time, I began appreciating Kuririn's presence as Goku's best buddy, Gohan's big brother, Piccolo's ally in Saiyan~Cell Saga. Him marrying 18 was by FAR greatest development as far as Non-Action is concerned.

Wish he had a more substantial role in Buu Arc though

I actually find Kuririn's DB era (21st TB, RRA, Uranai Baba, 22nd TB, Piccolo Daimou, 23rd TB) to have little to no reason to like him

While in Z era, Kuririn has his moments

Though I still stand that Tien deserves strongest human character tag

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Re: Do you like Kuririn?

Post by Netter75 » Wed Feb 15, 2017 9:28 pm

kinisking wrote: He was also relevant in changing Goku's character growth during the original dragonBall.
This. This more than anything.

Over time I've taken on the mindset that a character's relevance really depends on their function in the story, not by their literal actions if that makes any sense. I'll try to explain with two examples:

Chiaotzu. Most people say he is useless, and I disagree. It's easy to see why they think this. What has Chiaotzu done in the series action-wise? He has unique powers and design that are never EVER expanded upon, he fought Krillin and lost, hunted for the Dragon Balls with two people who could have found them alone, and was killed twice (Nappa and King Piccolo) in sacrifices that did not amount to any substantial story change, as other characters with stronger emotional ties had also been killed at the time. His interactions are fairly uninteresting as well: his rivalry with Krillin inexplicably being dropped, never speaking ONE WORD to our main hero, and having a static relationship with Tien. These things are not why he's in the story though, he's as an add-on to Tien, which is why he never receives any independent development. When Tien is introduced he seems to be a cynical, cold-blooded killer who will do anything dishonorable in order to win. At the same time though, he is shown as a caregiver to his little buddy, which paints another side to his personality. It makes him more well-rounded and allows him to be more interesting to the viewer. This helps us get more invested in his character arc and allows us to justify his later betrayal to Shen and Tao. But then why is Tien relevant? Because he aids in Goku's (the main character) development as a warrior. His arc and later contributions also add to to the broader themes of the series, but we don't have to get into all that right now. Point being: Chiaotzu IS integral to Dragon Ball as part of sort of a daisy-chain of development. Removing him makes Tien less effective in his purpose and thus hurting the story as a whole.

The opposite can be seen with Puar. Consensus says that he is useless, and I agree. Now don't get me wrong, I love the little guy and every scene he's given, but he is a perfect example of a character irrelevant to the broader story. Despite committing more relevant actions than someone like Chiaotzu (cutting off Oozaru Goku's tail, transforming a few times to aid the group, his participation in Baba's tournament, etc), he is still less relevant. What's his broader purpose? To develop Yamcha? Honestly Yamcha's relationship with Bulma does more for his character (and hers) than his relationship with Puar. The two don't have an interesting dynamic at all, Puar is simply a subservient cheerleader that Yamcha barely acknowledges. Does he develop Goku or anyone else? Nope. His only other substantial interaction is with Oolong and they don't play off each other well enough to add anything to his role as comic relief. Does Puar contribute as a Z-fighter support? Eh. There's a great scene when Yamcha is killed in the Saiyan Saga and Puar bursts into tears and runs up against the television set in a miserable frenzy. No matter what dub, I always found that moment particularly effective in heightening the impact of that death, which occurred to increase the hopelessness of the Saiyan landing and ramp up the tension. But then again... Bulma is also in that scene and her reaction is MORE moving because of her more developed relationship with Yamcha. She steals the scene from Puar here, making his emotional outburst unnecessary and redundant in heightening the tension. So in the end, Puar is either redundant and irrelevant to the to the broader story, despite his legitimate contributions that could simply be written to another character.

So we come to Krillin, who (as other have established) contributes to the plot like Puar as well as to the development of the story like Chiaotzu, but to much grander degrees in each area. The latter in particular, as someone else said, with his interactions with Goku, Gohan, and the rest of the cast are almost always entertaining to watch and add to our enjoyment of the story and out understanding of the characters. To the plot, he wins some and fails often, but always in a memorable way. It always adds to his development, someone else's, or the plot at hand. Even on his own, his story from child to adult that was gradually watch has so much impact on us and generates some of the themes of the series that we all love.

Apologies for my long-ass post, this topic just got me thinking. So that's my rambling viewpoint on the "Relevant" versus "irrelevant" issue, which seems to be a point of contention among fans regarding whether or not they like a character. To answer the topic at hand, do I like Krillin? Hell yeah! I'd argue he's the most likeable, integral, and well developed character on the show besides Goku, and would hurt the show quality the most if he was never included. Without his presence in DB and DBZ, the show would have been quite different, and the same can be said of Super if he had more of a presence.
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Re: Do you like Kuririn?

Post by Cipher » Wed Feb 15, 2017 9:35 pm

Yes. Kuririn is great, and brings a sense of humanity to events not present in someone like Goku (which makes the GT ending sooooo good). He's the most pleasantly grounded of the superpowered characters, and his interactions with everyone from Goku to Gohan to Bulma to Trunks are a joy; there's a different, believable dynamic in play in each case.

The section of the series where's he's basically in the central role at the beginning of the Namek arc is also some of Dragon Ball's best material.

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Re: Do you like Kuririn?

Post by The gr » Thu Feb 16, 2017 6:02 pm

One of my favorite character, he's a cool character,a great personality and he is not inconsistent like gohan and he was very useful in the DBZ Saiyan/namek arc
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Re: Do you like Kuririn?

Post by Gyt Kaliba » Thu Feb 16, 2017 6:16 pm

...Do I even really need to answer this one? I'm pretty sure my answer is fairly obvious to people by now. :P

That said, I'd honestly be surprised if there was anyone that didn't like Kuririn unless they were the sort of fan for whom only the 'powerful' count, or something. I can see him not being someone's favorite, but there's really nothing to hate about the lil' guy that I can think of. He's one of the most (if not THE most) relateable characters in the franchise; he always tries his hardest even if he's scared to death by what he's facing; his skills and fighting know-how are easily up there with any other character, even if he's not as strong as they are physically; he's amusing, got a good heart despite his selfish beginnings, and he's pretty much the only other character other than Goku to be involved on the front lines of just about every overall conflict in the series.

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Re: Do you like Kuririn?

Post by TheBlackPaladin » Thu Feb 16, 2017 7:21 pm

I love Kuririn! He's not my favorite character on the show, no, but Dragon Ball just wouldn't be the same without him. Sure, I laugh at the jokes that TFS and others come up with about him just as much as the next guy, but it's more like laughing over the good-natured teasing of a friend, not a, "Hahaha, he sucks"-kind of laugh.
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Re: Do you like Kuririn?

Post by floofychan333 » Thu Feb 16, 2017 8:57 pm

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precita wrote:He also is/was essentially Goku's best friend, at least until Vegeta became buddy-buddy with Goku.
Ugh... Don't remind me. I really hate that. Krillin is and will always be Goku's best friend, even if Super likes to act like he's not. Seriously those two have barely exchanged words. It legitimately angers me! DX

But yeah. I fucking love Krillin. He's probably my favorite character.
I don't think Vegeta is or has ever been Goku's best friend. Vegeta kind of resents everyone and even though they train together and spend time together, Goku and Kuririn have had so many fun times, have known each other forever, and actually enjoy each other's company. Goku enjoys Vegeta, but Vegeta doesn't enjoy Goku.
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Re: Do you like Kuririn?

Post by TheBlackPaladin » Fri Feb 17, 2017 2:42 pm

floofychan333 wrote:Goku enjoys Vegeta, but Vegeta doesn't enjoy Goku.
Exactly. Team Four Star's characterization of Goku and Vegeta's relationship, while greatly exaggerated for comedic effect, is actually pretty accurate.
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Re: Do you like Kuririn?

Post by Soppa Saia People » Fri Feb 17, 2017 2:53 pm

He was my favorite character for awhile, so of course. He was a great character in Dragon Ball, and awesome in Z.
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