Future Trunks' new form!

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Re: Future Trunks' new form!

Post by ChiefWamsutta » Tue Dec 27, 2016 2:56 pm

Does Ikari translate into Fury or Wrath?

I would like Super Saiyan Fury or Wrath because then we wouldn't have SSJR and SSJR.



I low-key still like Super Saiyan Demigod or Super Saiyan Blue Super Saiyan. There was enough backlash after the dumb naming of SSGSS that it became SSB. I feel like this will have a similar result.

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Re: Future Trunks' new form!

Post by perucho1990 » Tue Dec 27, 2016 3:07 pm

My only explanation for Trunks transformation was that u need to suffer to the point u reach the breaking point, Trunks got it because he wanted to save his timeline so badly and well because Zamasu and Black were provoking him for being the one responsible for the destruction of his timeline.

In Gohans case, it would be his determination of protecting his family(he said it way back in FnF).

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Re: Future Trunks' new form!

Post by Nejishiki » Tue Dec 27, 2016 3:07 pm

ChiefWamsutta wrote:Does Ikari translate into Fury or Wrath?
There's no 1:1 translation if you desire that. "Anger" is the most literal interpretation for English but a translator doesn't have to go that route. If all you want is accuracy, then "Anger" would be okay.

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Re: Future Trunks' new form!

Post by Marlowe89 » Tue Dec 27, 2016 3:16 pm

Alruneia wrote:Do we write SSJR or SSJI for the form? The R version clashes with Rosé, but you need to know what "ikari" means for SSJI to work properly.
It makes the most sense to just call it SSA, since "Anger" is the most direct translation and was even used for the official URL if I'm not mistaken.

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Re: Future Trunks' new form!

Post by ChiefWamsutta » Tue Dec 27, 2016 3:16 pm

Nejishiki wrote:
ChiefWamsutta wrote:Does Ikari translate into Fury or Wrath?
There's no 1:1 translation if you desire that. "Anger" is the most literal interpretation for English but a translator doesn't have to go that route. If all you want is accuracy, then "Anger" would be okay.
Sadly, Super Saiyan Anger doesn't flow well to me. None of these do ... it just sounds like the Rage of a Super Saiyan instead of a form name. :problem:

perucho1990 wrote:My only explanation for Trunks transformation was that u need to suffer to the point u reach the breaking point, Trunks got it because he wanted to save his timeline so badly and well because Zamasu and Black were provoking him for being the one responsible for the destruction of his timeline.

In Gohans case, it would be his determination of protecting his family(he said it way back in FnF).
That kind of makes sense. Goku and Vegeta got the Blue God Ki from keeping their ki inside. Maybe Trunks let all of his ki out and that is how he may have partially unlocked it. Crap, I have literally no clue what I am saying.

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Re: Future Trunks' new form!

Post by perucho1990 » Tue Dec 27, 2016 3:19 pm

ChiefWamsutta wrote:
That kind of makes sense. Goku and Vegeta got the Blue God Ki from keeping their ki inside. Maybe Trunks let all of his ki out and that is how he may have partially unlocked it. Crap, I have literally no clue what I am saying.
Vegeta unlocked SSJ Ikari way back in the BoG Arc due to Beerus hurting Bulma, and also showed how much Vegeta loved her. The differences between SSJB and SSJ Ikari is that for SSJB u need a calm heart according to Whiss, for SSJ Ikari is probably for people that have suffered a lot in their life and powerup troughout rage (Trunks and soon Gohan).

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Re: Future Trunks' new form!

Post by FortuneSSJ » Tue Dec 27, 2016 3:34 pm

Super Saiyan Rage is a stupid name, because rage is what they need to unlock SSJ in the first place.
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Re: Future Trunks' new form!

Post by Boo Machine » Tue Dec 27, 2016 3:46 pm

Super Saiyan Rage. Yeah, ok. I mean it fits I suppose.
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Re: Future Trunks' new form!

Post by Abra kadabra » Tue Dec 27, 2016 3:54 pm

Rage rolls off the tongue better. So I'll go with that

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Re: Future Trunks' new form!

Post by ChiefWamsutta » Tue Dec 27, 2016 4:15 pm

Abra kadabra wrote:Rage rolls off the tongue better. So I'll go with that
It does work better than some things, but it doesn't tell us why there is blue and yellow ki. That's all anyone wants to know if what the form ACTUALLY is.

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Re: Future Trunks' new form!

Post by Grimlock » Tue Dec 27, 2016 4:19 pm

ChiefWamsutta wrote:but it doesn't tell us why there is blue and yellow ki.
What do you mean? The yellow aura is obviously because that's a Super Saiyan transformation. We just don't know what the blue thing is.

I'd prefer this form to be called at least Super Saiyan 2 Rage or something like that, not only it would explain the lightnings, it would be better because Super Saiyan 2 is the strongest transformation of Trunks, and he has rage that activates whatever that blue thing is.

Or they should just give this man the Super Saiyan 3 already to leave things as easy as possible!
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Re: Future Trunks' new form!

Post by Kishido » Tue Dec 27, 2016 4:20 pm

Gohan form will be Ultimate Super Saiyan 2 Rage

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Re: Future Trunks' new form!

Post by Abra kadabra » Tue Dec 27, 2016 5:11 pm

ChiefWamsutta wrote:
Abra kadabra wrote:Rage rolls off the tongue better. So I'll go with that
It does work better than some things, but it doesn't tell us why there is blue and yellow ki. That's all anyone wants to know if what the form ACTUALLY is.
the form seems like grade 3 super saiyan 2 with a little bit of God ki; at least enough to condense his muscle mass and he was able to do it through rage. I don't know how God ki works but I would also like more of an explanation.

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Re: Future Trunks' new form!

Post by Xeztin » Tue Dec 27, 2016 5:22 pm

I like Super Saiyan Fury better ;/

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Re: Future Trunks' new form!

Post by Nekis13 » Tue Dec 27, 2016 5:22 pm

Super Saiyan Ikari?

Alright I'll take it, anything is better than Super Trunks.
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Re: Future Trunks' new form!

Post by ChiefWamsutta » Tue Dec 27, 2016 5:23 pm

Abra kadabra wrote:
ChiefWamsutta wrote:
Abra kadabra wrote:Rage rolls off the tongue better. So I'll go with that
It does work better than some things, but it doesn't tell us why there is blue and yellow ki. That's all anyone wants to know if what the form ACTUALLY is.
the form seems like grade 3 super saiyan 2 with a little bit of God ki; at least enough to condense his muscle mass and he was able to do it through rage. I don't know how God ki works but I would also like more of an explanation.
I don't think Super Saiyan 2 can have a Grade 3 form. SS2 = SS1 Grade 5 and SS3 = SS1 Grade 6.

After Goku fought Beerus as SSG, he had a Super-Saiyan-God-powered Super Saiyan form. This could be called SSGSS, which I like to do since it uses an established name, and differentiates it from SSB. I think Goku and Vegeta unlocked Blue God Ki by practicing perfect Ki Control. They then used this in their SSGSS forms.

Or, maybe there is a threshold where blue ki emerges and Goku, Vegeta, and Future Trunks cross over it.

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Re: Future Trunks' new form!

Post by ArchedThunder » Tue Dec 27, 2016 5:34 pm

perucho1990 wrote:
Vegeta unlocked SSJ Ikari way back in the BoG Arc due to Beerus hurting Bulma, and also showed how much Vegeta loved her. The differences between SSJB and SSJ Ikari is that for SSJB u need a calm heart according to Whiss, for SSJ Ikari is probably for people that have suffered a lot in their life and powerup troughout rage (Trunks and soon Gohan).
Vegeta's hair and aura didn't change, he just had a regular rage boost.

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Re: Future Trunks' new form!

Post by Lord Frieza » Tue Dec 27, 2016 5:49 pm

I find it rather fitting and it kind of suits Trunks. He's life a match darker and crueler life then any other of the caste have had, the rage within him puts even Gohan's to shame.

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Re: Future Trunks' new form!

Post by ChiefWamsutta » Tue Dec 27, 2016 6:19 pm

I'm starting to think that Super Saiyan Rage is Super Saiyan Blue, but for half-breeds. ... But we have never seen any form that only half-breeds could achieve (Ultimate Gohan doesn't count since Old Kai never offered to unlock anyone else).

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Re: Future Trunks' new form!

Post by Marlowe89 » Wed Dec 28, 2016 1:29 am

We may never know what it was. Honestly, Toei had every opportunity during the airing of that arc to at least provide some kind of description for the form and they squandered it every single time. There might be something in an official guidebook somewhere down the line (though I certainly wouldn't count on it) but I can't see it ever being explained in the show proper at this point.

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