Could Freeza potentially be Stronger than Beerus ?

[DSB]

Consider this . Freeza , the WEAKEST Post SSj Villains , trained for FOUR MONTHS and got insanely strong .

How strong ??? Well , in his First form he one shotted a Super Namekian [potentially as powerful as100% perfect Cell] , DESTROYED a Super Saiyan [2 ???] Gohan .... WITHOUT Powering up .

Then he fought a Base Goku who is about as strong as Super Buu [Sonsidering in the next arc , Base Goku and Vegeta > SSj3 Gotenks , who is > Super Buu] .

THEN , he also unlocked a Form , which , if it was mastered , would have defeated a SSB Goku with relative ease .

Not to mention , tagoma [ginyu] , Freeza's pinching bag became about as strong as Fat buu [probably]



If Freeza can do ALL of this in FOUR months of training , could he potentially be stronger than Beerus himself would as much training as Goku or Vegeta does ?
This is considering the fact that neither Goku or Vegeta would have been to the level of even the SSG even if they trained their whole life , yet freeza did it better in 4 months [makes him the highest potential in Universe 7 at least] , getting stronger than Beerus isnt that hard , is it ???

[Almighty Majin]

getting stronger than Beerus isnt that hard , is it ???

Not if the plot decides to retcon Beerus infinitely.

[Pantalones]

The impression I got from Freeza's enormous power growth was that he unlocked all of his dormant power -- the only room for much improvement would be to master his "Golden" form so that it doesn't drain his energy so quickly. Any further power growth through training would be so small (like hundred-thousands or maybe single-digit millions per year at best) in comparison to his current level that it would basically be like not getting any stronger at all. The only way he'd ever get significant gains would probably be to train under Whis/Vados or something along those lines. Even then, I don't think he'd do much more than slightly widen his lead over Goku and Vegeta, if they're even still behind him at this point -- maybe the best he can do now is struggle to keep up.

So no, I don't think Freeza could ever become stronger than Beerus.

[Captain Strawberry]

The impression I got from Freeza's enormous power growth was that he unlocked all of his dormant power -- the only room for much improvement would be to master his "Golden" form so that it doesn't drain his energy so quickly. Any further power growth through training would be so small (like hundred-thousands or maybe single-digit millions per year at best) in comparison to his current level that it would basically be like not getting any stronger at all. The only way he'd ever get significant gains would probably be to train under Whis/Vados or something along those lines. Even then, I don't think he'd do much more than slightly widen his lead over Goku and Vegeta, if they're even still behind him at this point -- maybe the best he can do now is struggle to keep up.

So no, I don't think Freeza could ever become stronger than Beerus.

Yep, this is also how I see it

[RandomGuy96]

Toriyama's comments on the FNF script include a statement where he says "Freeza is no match for the God of Destruction Beerus, no matter what he does!". So no.

[sintzu]

If Freeza is like Goku and Vegeta where there's no limits to how strong he can get then yes, he could probably surpass him.

But the way I see it is that he didn't stop cause he thought he was strong enough but because that was as strong he could get.

There's nothing that says this but to me it makes the most sense and it makes Freeza look less stupid for going to earth after 4 months.

[nickzambuto]

It's all about mindset.

If Freeza possessed Goku's passion, humility, and pure hearted desire to grow stronger, yes he would be capable of surpassing Beerus. But if Krillin possessed all those traits on par with Goku, he would also eventually find a way of surpassing Beerus.

Freeza himself though? No, even if he won on earth, he'd never surpass Beerus. His great potential is one thing, but it has a cap. Freeza couldn't even be bothered to actually master his golden form, so if he did that, you can bet he wouldn't be able to figure out how to surpass the next wall. Breaking down walls takes more than potential and talent. It takes passion.

Just because Freeza grew immensely powerful in a short period of time doesn't mean he would always get equivalent gains in the same timespan infinitely. Once he reaches his full natural potential, and reaches the limits of his talent, he would gain strength at the same rate as everyone else. Once you max out your natural strength, growing becomes about breaking down walls and surpassing limits, which is a more difficult process.

[Nejishiki]

Additionally, what determines rate of growth is how one trains and mixes up their practice once previous routines lose their effectiveness. Indeed, Goku and Vegeta wouldn't reach where they are today without Beerus and Whis. That shouldn't be a criticism against them, I don't think. Freeza's training method was left vague. Whatever he did overall wasn't a normal exercise and his talent alone. Like with everyone else, he'll eventually need to discover new regimen or employ new instructors to continue getting stronger.

[Merged Zamasu]

No, Frieza, Goku and Vegeta wil never be stronger than Beerus. Only another God can beat the God of Destruction. Only Zamasu, at the peak of his power, could surpass Beerus. In fact, only the Omni-king could beat Zamasu's Light.

[Lord Beerus]

Nope. Toriyama himself confirmed that Freeza is not match for Beerus no matter what he does.

[Ki Breaker]

Toriyama's comments on the FNF script include a statement where he says "Freeza is no match for the God of Destruction Beerus, no matter what he does!". So no.

Toriyama seems hell bent on berrus not getting surpassed , freeza is no match for berrus no Matter what he does is just extreme..
Makes it even harder to swallow the golden freeza potential thing

[Lord Beerus]

Toriyama's comments on the FNF script include a statement where he says "Freeza is no match for the God of Destruction Beerus, no matter what he does!". So no.

Toriyama seems hell bent on berrus not getting surpassed , freeza is no match for berrus no Matter what he does is just extreme..
Makes it even harder to swallow the golden freeza potential thing

But there are already many people stronger than Beerus. So I don't really understand that viewpoint.

[Lord Frieza]

I'd say yes and no.

I find it hard to believe that Frieza, who has never done any serous training in his life would suddenly reach his limit after just 4 months, thats not how it works. If his base power without proper training was 19 mil and you compare him to Goku and what he started out with then if he did train hard he could become stronger then Beerus.

However as others have said that wont happen for a very simple reason, Frieza himself. He's not a warrior, he's a businessman/mob boss. That's his mind set, he wants to sit at the top and rule the universe, having everyone do as he says, enjoy the finer things in life and be so powerful that he can murder anyone on a wim just like he did before namek. He dose not train to get stronger for his own betterment like our heroes and he misses things that would have been obvious to the like of Goku and Vegeta. At the end of the day Frieza's biggest enemy is not Goku, its himself.

[theherodjl]

Freeza could become stronger than Beerus but that doesn't necessarily mean he would or should do so, he's proven to be a hell of a prodigy in a fighting sense but he lacks the discipline and the patience to improve more than he desires to. He is unusually acute at estimating various tiers of power even without fighting an opponent, Freeza probably figures it's a sort of lost cause to become the strongest fighter there is when there's already a good deal of enemies that are as strong or stronger than him and the increasing threat that said foes can improve as well as he could.
I mean look how he responded to the legend of the Super Saiyan, rather than transform and make an example of renegade Saiyans he opted to just blow up their planet thus killing them and when he did finally confront a real Super Saiyan he chose to repeat the result even if it put himself in danger.
Quite frankly Freeza is a coward who has more power & ability than he knows how to effectively put into play.