Unpopular DB opinions

[ABED]

Both situations have the objective of making the world better. You just happen to think that in one it's acceptable and in the other it's not, while Light disagrees. That doesn't make him devoid of reason. He might be evil, but not devoid of reason and logic.

But I'm not a subjectivist. That we have different codes doesn't make them both valid. Civilian casualties in a war of self defense is permitted if the goal is to bring as swift an end to the conflict as possible like in WWII. Murdering cops for doing their job is not moral. Only by evading the distinction is able to continue thinking himself as the hero, but the act of evasion is irrational.

he planned to make people behave themselves by extreme force and overall considered the vision he had to be better than the present world because crimes would be much rarer, in his opinion.

So in other words, his goal is to become a dictator and evading that his "cure" is worse than the disease, which is also irrational.

There's a clear logic and reasoning to what he thinks and even if we don't agree, as long as there exists something like that within his thoughts, it's not irrational. That's simply the wrong term.

It is the correct term because he's evading. There's no logic behind it, it's just him wishing his vision will come true even though all that is happening is the body count was growing.

Either we should take this to PM, bring this around to DB, or stop talking about Death Note.

[rereboy]

It's clear to me that preferring a "dictatorship" that is effective in squashing crime is a matter of preference/opinion, not irrationality. Even (ancient) philosophers debated that issue, comparing it to democracy, with various viewpoints emerging. And most dictators aren't irrational.

Also, things not working out how he expected or wanted doesn't mean that he was devoid of logic or reason in how he thought, just that he might have been wrong about it all or part of it. Him not wanting to accept it just shows his arrogance, denial and unwillingness to relinquish his vision and his thirst for power, which is also incredibly common and not really a sign of irrationality as in devoid of logic and reasoning.

In fact, we could say that irrational people are generally considered not accountable because they are considered to not fully grasp/know/understand the consequences of what they are doing, with their actions being random. While a rational person might have some irrational actions sometimes without being considered irrational as a person, Light always knew what he was doing and he never did random things, so not even his individual acts should be considered irrational, imo. He was just arrogant, naive, evil, stubborn, in denial, and so on.

In any case, I already said what I wanted to say and even this post was just to respond to what you had said. You either agree or you don't.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

I'm pretty sure he just explained the contradiction to you. In fact, if you read to the end, they make a point to establish that he was nothing more than a ruthless killer, a murderer.

[Polyphase Avatron]

Would it be an unpopular opinion to say that Zeno is probably the most evil character in the entire franchise?

[Doctor.]

Would it be an unpopular opinion to say that Zeno is probably the most evil character in the entire franchise?

I don't think anyone has tried to justify Zeno's actions.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

He's not evil, but he's definitely the least moral because Zeno is amoral.

[RandomGuy96]

I would've liked Zamasu more if they didn't go the generic route of turning him into a barely comprehensible rambling psycho at the end, unless you do this carefully, all it does make the audience eye roll and just dismiss any valid point he may have as the ramblings of a total lunatic that make absolute 0 sense. Age of Ultron executed this well by having Ultron die with a lot of his dignity in tact, yeah he got punked physically but even in the face of death he didn't start yelling like a psycho because generic story-telling demands him to do.

Zamasu is an infinitely superior villain to the QuipBot 9000.

[rereboy]

I'm pretty sure he just explained the contradiction to you. In fact, if you read to the end, they make a point to establish that he was nothing more than a ruthless killer, a murderer.

Because:

1) they think that the methods he employed are inexcusable, therefore corrupting irrevocably the end result, and that creates, in their view, the contradiction (Light disagrees with this and thinks that the end result is all that matters and that his vision will indeed be better than the old world, regardless of the methods he used to achieve it, and so they are acceptable... in other words he follows "the ends justify the means" rule);
2) because they disagree that his vision, itself, (if it came fully to fruition) is better than what they had before even if they don't consider the methods he employed to achieve it (they feel that a society put in check by fear is not worth it while Light thinks it's indeed worth it because serious crime will become tiny in his opinion);
3) and because they believe he is evil and is or has become addicted to power, regardless of his intentions.

All of that might be true according to their view and values and Light might be incorrect and wrong... but it doesn't make him irrational. It's not the same thing.

The existence of any apparent contradiction can be explained logically when taken into context not only the circumstances but the emotional and psychological factors, and any contradiction that Light might have made can easily be explained logically that way. In other words, it makes sense, and we can explain it logically without saying "well, he is just irrational/crazy and does random things that make no sense no matter how I look at it".

Irrationality is the absence of logic and reason and such never really happens regarding Light. Being inaccurate, wrong, evil and even having some contradictions doesn't mean being irrational if it's possible to make sense of them. Unless you want to interpret being irrational as something much more vague that could permit any contradiction to be called irrational, but I don't agree with that.

[ABED]

Irrational doesn't mean devoid of ALL logic and reason. The best bad guys have a logic to their actions because they have to justify it in some way, but it's not a mere difference of opinion, it's a rationalization. It's why bad guys have codes. Some of them will think nothing of murdering someone, but they take offense to child molesters. Fraudsters often believe they can fudge the numbers for a while to buy time until they turn things around. Vegeta rationalizes his actions because he thinks that the only thing that matters is power. You've assumed way too much with Light. Just because he believes it doesn't make his opinion just as valid. The good guys are correct. The bad guys are wrong not merely because of their means, but because of their ends. Their perfect world never comes to pass because it can't.

[nite_jay]

I liked the Cell arc's music and overall visuals the most out of the Dragonball Z anime, even if it's story was the worst.

[WobbuSleuth]

I liked the Cell arc's music and overall visuals the most out of the Dragonball Z anime, even if it's story was the worst.

I agree on the music part. Songs like Mind Power Ki and Battle Point Unlimited are one of the my most favorite pieces at entire franchise.
Visuals on another hand... I still think that art-style of Saiyan Saga is the best one. But I appreciate your opinion, battle animation by studio Cockpit is superb.

[Desassina]

The rounder outline for their angry eyes is better than the angular design.

[FreddleFrooby]

Here's one that I thought about - I like the LA Spanish dub more than the Japanese dub, due being more used to that dub's voices than the others, and some things that I thought the LA Spanish dub did better. But I still think the Japanese dub's amazing.

[Doctor.]

I don't find the recent poster for the Zamasu arc drawn by Toyotaro to be particularly impressive. Awkward poses, awkward anatomy and character expressions, terrible colors.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

I don't find the recent poster for the Zamasu arc drawn by Toyotaro to be particularly impressive. Awkward poses, awkward anatomy and character expressions, terrible colors.

I liked the poses, it adds a dynamic feel to the scene. Although I wasn't a fan of the colors, either. Also, it annoys me that he decided to trace even on something like this. Even if it doesn't harm the product, it's such a disingenuous way to get what you want, and Toyotaro employs it shamelessly at every turn.

[The gr]

I don't find the recent poster for the Zamasu arc drawn by Toyotaro to be particularly impressive. Awkward poses, awkward anatomy and character expressions, terrible colors.

Which poster are you talking about and I have some unpopular opinion I like Kenji Yamamoto and sumimotomo score for DBZ early Buu arc Gohan is the best version of his character and I wasn't a huge fan of the piccolo daimao arc because is a copy and paste for rra arc

[Jinzoningen MULE]

Which poster are you talking about

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I wasn't a huge fan of the piccolo daimao arc because is a copy and paste for rra arc

How? They don't share much in common at all.

[The gr]

Which poster are you talking about

[spoiler][/spoiler]

I wasn't a huge fan of the piccolo daimao arc because is a copy and paste for rra arc

How? They don't share much in common at all.

Wow that poster looks odd and some of plot elements in piccolo daimo arc are very similar to red ribbon army like in both the nimbus cloud get destroyed Goku loses to a villain in their first encounter by getting shot in the heart and win the second by a power up kinda like red ribbon arc but I guess in some parts they are different

[Jinzoningen MULE]

some of plot elements in piccolo daimo arc are very similar to red ribbon army like in both the nimbus cloud get destroyed Goku loses to a villain in their first encounter by getting shot in the heart and win the second by a power up kinda like red ribbon arc

Those are similarities, but none of them are plot points. Also, can you please type in proper sentence structure, you're very difficult to read.

[nite_jay]

I liked the Cell arc's music and overall visuals the most out of the Dragonball Z anime, even if it's story was the worst.

I agree on the music part. Songs like Mind Power Ki and Battle Point Unlimited are one of the my most favorite pieces at entire franchise.
Visuals on another hand... I still think that art-style of Saiyan Saga is the best one. But I appreciate your opinion, battle animation by studio Cockpit is superb.

When I said overall visual aspect I meant the colors and character designs mostly. My favorite artstyle is probably the 23rd Budokai.