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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 72

Post by ArchedThunder » Sat Dec 31, 2016 10:35 pm

Shreyas_Singh wrote:
Sodhi wrote:Yes it will, but to what extent is the question that will be answered during the next arc. Filler allows staff to have a breathing room so that they can focus more on major episodes. One off episodes help the most because they can be created without the reliance of previous episodes to finish and are easier to make in a production sense.
I see,thanks. But don't you think they should completely outsource the filler instead of using important animators like Naoki Tate,Karasawa and Higashide for such episodes? It would help these guys concentrate on more important stuff.
Outsourcing almost an entire cour would be a huge hassle, the time it would take just to make whatever deal or deals to make it happen could potentially make the whole point of the 10 weeks pointless.
They have however been outsourcing in these episodes, 68 was almost entirely outsourced, 69 had some work outsourced to TAP and 72 outsourced some animation to A-Line for the first time since episode 33 (they usually only use them for 2ndKA).

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 72

Post by Shreyas_Singh » Sun Jan 01, 2017 12:10 am

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Shreyas_Singh wrote:
Sodhi wrote:Yes it will, but to what extent is the question that will be answered during the next arc. Filler allows staff to have a breathing room so that they can focus more on major episodes. One off episodes help the most because they can be created without the reliance of previous episodes to finish and are easier to make in a production sense.
I see,thanks. But don't you think they should completely outsource the filler instead of using important animators like Naoki Tate,Karasawa and Higashide for such episodes? It would help these guys concentrate on more important stuff.
Outsourcing almost an entire cour would be a huge hassle, the time it would take just to make whatever deal or deals to make it happen could potentially make the whole point of the 10 weeks pointless.
They have however been outsourcing in these episodes, 68 was almost entirely outsourced, 69 had some work outsourced to TAP and 72 outsourced some animation to A-Line for the first time since episode 33 (they usually only use them for 2ndKA).
That's cool,they're already outsourcing. I guess we'll just have to wait till February.
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 72

Post by dhaval_dongre » Sun Jan 01, 2017 1:40 am

ArchedThunder wrote: They have however been outsourcing in these episodes, 68 was almost entirely outsourced, 69 had some work outsourced to TAP and 72 outsourced some animation to A-Line for the first time since episode 33 (they usually only use them for 2ndKA).
A-Line only did 2nd KA for 72 right, as usual ?

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 72

Post by Lookerman » Sun Jan 01, 2017 1:57 am

Shreyas_Singh wrote:
ArchedThunder wrote:
Shreyas_Singh wrote: I see,thanks. But don't you think they should completely outsource the filler instead of using important animators like Naoki Tate,Karasawa and Higashide for such episodes? It would help these guys concentrate on more important stuff.
Outsourcing almost an entire cour would be a huge hassle, the time it would take just to make whatever deal or deals to make it happen could potentially make the whole point of the 10 weeks pointless.
They have however been outsourcing in these episodes, 68 was almost entirely outsourced, 69 had some work outsourced to TAP and 72 outsourced some animation to A-Line for the first time since episode 33 (they usually only use them for 2ndKA).
That's cool,they're already outsourcing. I guess we'll just have to wait till February.
They've been outsursing since at least episode 6 or so. It's only recently they've buckled down on it.
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ArchedThunder wrote: They have however been outsourcing in these episodes, 68 was almost entirely outsourced, 69 had some work outsourced to TAP and 72 outsourced some animation to A-Line for the first time since episode 33 (they usually only use them for 2ndKA).
A-Line only did 2nd KA for 72 right, as usual ?
To my knowledge. It'd make everyone's lives much easier if Toei just credited them as such instead of just ever so slightly separating them from the regular KAs.

EDIT: Disregard that, A-Line is credited for Key Animation.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 72

Post by dhaval_dongre » Sun Jan 01, 2017 3:53 am

Isn't Otsuka a Toei employee like Shida and Tate ? If he is, then is it normal for an employee of one Studio to work on another project for some other Studio ?(since Otsuka was working on Flip Flappers) Well it is normal for an entire group of animators to work on a different project for another Studio if they get a contract, for eg. Sunrise staff was responsible for OPM, which was contracted to them by Madhouse. Or is he a freelancer with good relations at Toei ?

But nonetheless I still liked his work in 66 despite it not being as good as his usual work. His announcement for 66 was bit of a shocker for us, because we it was a bit unexpected considering the fact that he worked on the RoF FT edition and was doing some storyboarding for Super. His cut for 66 was also short as well. We only got a small cameo from him. But I am pretty sure his and Shida's upcoming work will be better than what we have seen so far.

I definitely think that Toei has done some planning for the upcoming arc. Considering that Shida and Otsuka confirmed that they will be working on Super right after 66 ended was an indicator of that IMO. Was it because of Hatano or even Kohei, or because they are Toei employees and its an obligation for them to work on a Toei project, I really don't know honestly.

One more thing, what is the name of the Pre Cure animator that showed up on 65 and drew the very last shot of Merged Zamasu (as many pointed out was very reminiscent of PreCure) ? He showed up on 69 again, right ? Hope he sticks around.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 72

Post by Saikyo no Senshi » Sun Jan 01, 2017 5:00 am

The Japanese industry is connection based. The director of FliFla must've had connections with Ootsuka so he showed up. It's pretty common. I'm not sure if he is a Toei employee or a freelance animator. Maybe he is a Toei guy.

OPM was the work of freelancers and the best webgen animators who had connections with webgen animator turned director Natsume Shingo. Animators from Trigger, Bones and pretty much top talents from all over the industry worked on it.

The PreCure animator was Miuma Kenji and he did key animation for #66 not #65 actually. With new PreCure starting Feb, I think he'll go there. But, I hope so too that he stays and becomes a regular.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 72

Post by Shreyas_Singh » Sun Jan 01, 2017 6:25 am

Does anyone know why Ajay has stopped making the "Super's supervisors" series ? I really loved it and was hoping to see a Karasawa episode :cry: Ajay knows so much about animation styles and I wanted to learn more .
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 72

Post by Gashif Aldi » Sun Jan 01, 2017 6:51 am

Shreyas_Singh wrote:Does anyone know why Ajay has stopped making the "Super's supervisors" series ? I really loved it and was hoping to see a Karasawa episode :cry: Ajay knows so much about animation styles and I wanted to learn more .
Copyrights. And I think he's making one about Yammamuro. I'm not sure though.
I'm just surprised how he knows so much about Tate.
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 72

Post by Jinzoningen MULE » Sun Jan 01, 2017 7:01 am

Gashif Aldi wrote:I'm just surprised how he knows so much about Tate.
Tate's history is easy to look up, and his animation style is actually incredibly easy to pick out. It's probably the most unique out of all animators working in modern Dragon Ball, with the obvious exception of Shida.
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 72

Post by dhaval_dongre » Sun Jan 01, 2017 7:39 am

Saikyo no Senshi wrote: The PreCure animator was Miuma Kenji and he did key animation for #66 not #65 actually. With new PreCure starting Feb, I think he'll go there. But, I hope so too that he stays and becomes a regular.
Interesting, people also mentioned that he showed up on 65. But thanks for the info anyway.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 72

Post by Ajay » Sun Jan 01, 2017 9:17 am

dhaval_dongre wrote:Isn't Otsuka a Toei employee like Shida and Tate ?
As far as I know, he's not, but he has strong ties to them.
Shreyas_Singh wrote:Does anyone know why Ajay has stopped making the "Super's supervisors" series?
Well, initially it was taking time away to work out how best to avoid copyright strikes. Now it's a mixture of laziness and the weekly roundup taking up my time. I do have a Yamamuro video in the works, but I'll be away for two weeks now, so that's not getting done any time soon.
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Gashif Aldi wrote:I'm just surprised how he knows so much about Tate.
Tate's history is easy to look up
Pretty much goes for everyone, honestly. While I've gathered a bit of info from talking to people, most of the stuff I know comes from spending a great deal of time researching bits and bobs. I'm definitely not magic, as much as I like to pretend I am! Anyone can learn this stuff. It's all out there!

I think the only 'skill' I'd even comfortably call my own is being able to pick out animators and their traits -- and really, even that spawned from Heath's own animation styles guide for Z. Practise, practise, practise. Power of deduction and all that fun stuff.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 72

Post by Shreyas_Singh » Sun Jan 01, 2017 9:39 am

Ajay wrote:
dhaval_dongre wrote:Isn't Otsuka a Toei employee like Shida and Tate ?
As far as I know, he's not, but he has strong ties to them.
Shreyas_Singh wrote:Does anyone know why Ajay has stopped making the "Super's supervisors" series?
Well, initially it was taking time away to work out how best to avoid copyright strikes. Now it's a mixture of laziness and the weekly roundup taking up my time. I do have a Yamamuro video in the works, but I'll be away for two weeks now, so that's not getting done any time soon.
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Gashif Aldi wrote:I'm just surprised how he knows so much about Tate.
Tate's history is easy to look up
Pretty much goes for everyone, honestly. While I've gathered a bit of info from talking to people, most of the stuff I know comes from spending a great deal of time researching bits and bobs. I'm definitely not magic, as much as I like to pretend I am! Anyone can learn this stuff. It's all out there!

I think the only 'skill' I'd even comfortably call my own is being able to pick out animators and their traits -- and really, even that spawned from Heath's own animation styles guide for Z. Practise, practise, practise. Power of deduction and all that fun stuff.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 72

Post by Gashif Aldi » Sun Jan 01, 2017 11:33 am

No, I mean like. How Tate was inspired and developed his style because of Mamoru Hosoda. But, no one seem to know about Shida. Both are making hugeeee changes.

Or maybe Tate left a lot of tracks behind him.
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 72

Post by Ajay » Sun Jan 01, 2017 11:44 am

Gashif Aldi wrote:No, I mean like. How Tate was inspired and developed his style because of Mamoru Hosoda. But, no one seem to know about Shida. Both are making hugeeee changes.

Or maybe Tate left a lot of tracks behind him.
That's just something a lot of people picked up on based on the correlation between the film's release and the time in which Tate's style dramatically changed. It also helps that Tate produced at least two homages to cuts found in the Hosoda One Piece film. It was hugely influential to a few people, actually. I'm blanking on the name of the other guy right now -- people mistake him for Tate a lot.

Shida was beginning to develop his unique timing by the time GT rolled around. He honed his skills through PreCure, and just got better and better. I don't know precisely what his influences were, if any at all, but he's in a league of his own.
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 72

Post by ArchedThunder » Sun Jan 01, 2017 1:01 pm

dhaval_dongre wrote:
ArchedThunder wrote: They have however been outsourcing in these episodes, 68 was almost entirely outsourced, 69 had some work outsourced to TAP and 72 outsourced some animation to A-Line for the first time since episode 33 (they usually only use them for 2ndKA).
A-Line only did 2nd KA for 72 right, as usual ?
No, they did animation.
Saikyo no Senshi wrote: The PreCure animator was Miuma Kenji and he did key animation for #66 not #65 actually. With new PreCure starting Feb, I think he'll go there. But, I hope so too that he stays and becomes a regular.
The last time he worked on PreCure was in 2015, so who knows. He worked on Super 71, so there's definitely hope that he's going to be a regular.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 72

Post by iAnimationLover_ » Sun Jan 01, 2017 1:17 pm

dhaval_dongre wrote:
ArchedThunder wrote: They have however been outsourcing in these episodes, 68 was almost entirely outsourced, 69 had some work outsourced to TAP and 72 outsourced some animation to A-Line for the first time since episode 33 (they usually only use them for 2ndKA).
A-Line only did 2nd KA for 72 right, as usual ?

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 72

Post by Yomi » Sun Jan 01, 2017 3:34 pm

I wonder why Iseki hasn't returned. Would have thought they would have wanted to bottle whatever he has.
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 72

Post by SonsOfUlron21 » Sun Jan 01, 2017 3:57 pm

What ever happened to Seizo Toma is he gone too?

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Post by ArchedThunder » Sun Jan 01, 2017 4:02 pm

Yomi wrote:I wonder why Iseki hasn't returned. Would have thought they would have wanted to bottle whatever he has.
In general he doesn't do a whole lot in the industry, so it might be something he does for fun and not as a career. Interestingly the only time he's ever been a supervisor for a TV anime was on his Super episode. I wouldn't be surprised if he was offered a role as a permanent supervisor, but turned it down.
SonsOfUlron21 wrote:What ever happened to Seizo Toma is he gone too?
Toma has a habit of disappearing from the industry for periods of time. He might randomly show back up at some point.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 72

Post by Shreyas_Singh » Sun Jan 01, 2017 9:53 pm

ArchedThunder wrote:
Yomi wrote:I wonder why Iseki hasn't returned. Would have thought they would have wanted to bottle whatever he has.
In general he doesn't do a whole lot in the industry, so it might be something he does for fun and not as a career. Interestingly the only time he's ever been a supervisor for a TV anime was on his Super episode. I wouldn't be surprised if he was offered a role as a permanent supervisor, but turned it down.
SonsOfUlron21 wrote:What ever happened to Seizo Toma is he gone too?
Toma has a habit of disappearing from the industry for periods of time. He might randomly show back up at some point.
Shuichi does this as a hobby ?? What is his "real job" then ? Seriously though, hobby :shock: I wish I was half as talented as this guy.
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