For a show that's about to build on the other universes, we really don't know much about U7

[TKA]

What else is there to explore in Universe 7? We already have the strongest characters. The exploration was the Saiyan-Namek Arcs.

[GodKaio-Ken]

Personally I'd find it kind of odd if all sorts of fighters stronger than Frieza rose up in the limited time since he was defeated. You don't just go from one guy being the strongest to everyone being better.

That's like, a regular occurrence in Dragon Ball.

Not really. I think you missed my point. We are talking about biological beings since Frieza.

Cell = Creation
Majin Buu = Magical Being
Beerus = God
Golden Frieza = Frieza Again
Tournament = Different Universe
Black = A god in the body of Goku (Different Universe)
Future Zamasu = Immortal God (Different Universe + Timeline)

There is 0 precident in DB as a franchise for biological beings stronger than Frieza in U7

[Lord Beerus]

Personally I'd find it kind of odd if all sorts of fighters stronger than Frieza rose up in the limited time since he was defeated. You don't just go from one guy being the strongest to everyone being better.

That's like, a regular occurrence in Dragon Ball.

Not really. I think you missed my point. We are talking about biological beings since Frieza.

Cell = Creation
Majin Buu = Magical Being
Beerus = God
Golden Frieza = Frieza Again
Tournament = Different Universe
Black = A god in the body of Goku (Different Universe)
Future Zamasu = Immortal God (Different Universe + Timeline)

There is 0 precident in DB as a franchise for biological beings stronger than Frieza in U7

How is Beerus not a biological being? You think he was born a God? Have you also forgotten about Android 17, Android 18 and Dabra?

[HeroR]

How is Beerus not a biological being? You think he was born a God? Have you also forgotten about Android 17, Android 18 and Dabra?

Androids 17 and 18 are modified. They weren't born that powerful. In that sense, they're no different than Cell. Also, it's an assumption that Beerus was or wasn't born a god. We know jack about Beerus other than he has a twin brother. Dabura came from parallel realm, which isn't counted as part of the regular universe.

[GodKaio-Ken]

That's like, a regular occurrence in Dragon Ball.

Not really. I think you missed my point. We are talking about biological beings since Frieza.

Cell = Creation
Majin Buu = Magical Being
Beerus = God
Golden Frieza = Frieza Again
Tournament = Different Universe
Black = A god in the body of Goku (Different Universe)
Future Zamasu = Immortal God (Different Universe + Timeline)

There is 0 precident in DB as a franchise for biological beings stronger than Frieza in U7

How is Beerus not a biological being? You think he was born a God? Have you also forgotten about Android 17, Android 18 and Dabra?

He was already a God when Frieza rose to power though. The idea is who SINCE Frieza has eclipsed his power.

17 and 18 are androids also and Dabra isnt a human either. I'm not sure you guys are getting the point here. The fact is there is no basis for exploring U7 as we know noone stronger than Frieza exists that is actually a mortal.

[Saturnine]

Visiting the planet with General Rilldo was pretty fun.

That's one of the parts I actually really enjoyed. The fight with Rilldo wasn't half bad and I thought Goku was pretty cool in it.

Except it completely breaks the lore, now that you think about it. Majin Buu was supposed to be the greatest threat in the universe, and some random fucker on a random planet being even stronger than him directly contradicts this. In a universe under Freeza's control, where guys with the powerlevels of 40,000 like the Ginyus were widely dreaded, how can Rilldo be justified? Fuck no, he can't.

[Boo Machine]

Except it completely breaks the lore, now that you think about it. Majin Buu was supposed to be the greatest threat in the universe, and some random fucker on a random planet being even stronger than him directly contradicts this. In a universe under Freeza's control, where guys with the powerlevels of 40,000 like the Ginyus were widely dreaded, how can Rilldo be justified? Fuck no, he can't.

You're not wrong. I always found the line that he was stronger than buu a little on the strange side. But I'm not one of the people who puts a lot of stock into power scaling. So I can easily ignore it. Especially since Rilldo himself isn't around for very long.

[Mazingerdestro]

GT tried it and we all know how "exciting" this was.
I don't care for any random planet in the universe. I prefer for Toei to develop planets that are crucial to the plot. Do not expect every planet to be as exciting as the one hit went and killed that mafia guy.

[Bullza]

Well I'm reading Jaco the Galactic Patrolman at the moment and Jaco actually says that there aren't many planets with intelligent life forms. That's why there's only 38 of them.

There might not be that much about Universe 7 that we don't know going by that.

[Xeztin]

Visiting the planet with General Rilldo was pretty fun.

That's one of the parts I actually really enjoyed. The fight with Rilldo wasn't half bad and I thought Goku was pretty cool in it.

Except it completely breaks the lore, now that you think about it. Majin Buu was supposed to be the greatest threat in the universe, and some random fucker on a random planet being even stronger than him directly contradicts this. In a universe under Freeza's control, where guys with the powerlevels of 40,000 like the Ginyus were widely dreaded, how can Rilldo be justified? Fuck no, he can't.

True but if we play by contradictions I think Super has a ton more, Toriyama being the concluding factor to that and Toei too I suppose. Thing is Super tries to cover it up as it was always that way, such as Beerus existing and the Potara's not being forever fused. GT just sorta through it out there on a take it or leave it basis I suppose.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

Not really. I think you missed my point. We are talking about biological beings since Frieza.

Cell = Creation
Majin Buu = Magical Being
Beerus = God
Golden Frieza = Frieza Again
Tournament = Different Universe
Black = A god in the body of Goku (Different Universe)
Future Zamasu = Immortal God (Different Universe + Timeline)

There is 0 precident in DB as a franchise for biological beings stronger than Frieza in U7

How is Beerus not a biological being? You think he was born a God? Have you also forgotten about Android 17, Android 18 and Dabra?

He was already a God when Frieza rose to power though. The idea is who SINCE Frieza has eclipsed his power.

17 and 18 are androids also and Dabra isnt a human either. I'm not sure you guys are getting the point here. The fact is there is no basis for exploring U7 as we know noone stronger than Frieza exists that is actually a mortal.

The mortal/god thing is totally artificial and irrelevant. Until 2013, the gods were all weak as all hell, even the one's that surpassed Freeza. Moreover, and complimentary to my point, the universe is big. Like, really fucking big! Writing a character stronger than Freeza in our universe would be about as easy as sharpening a pencil.

[Muffin Man]

GT already dealt with how powerful threats could exist out in the universe: technology. If a scientist on earth can build androids stronger than Freeza (or as strong as Super Saiyan Blue, if we count Arale), there's no reason alien scientists couldn't come up with even better technology, which is why the Machine Mutants and Dr. Myuu were cool ideas. And they could easily have justified the lack of powerful technology in DBZ (aside from the androids on earth) by stating that Freeza actively destroyed planets that became too advanced in terms of weaponry and robotics, leading planets to stifle their own technological progression until after Freeza's death (thus explaining why powerful technology populates the universe by the time of GT).

GT just needed to use its concepts better. It's such a shame that it didn't.

except goku was nerfed as all hell throughout all of GT from being tutned into a kid and ghan and vegeta weren't around.

What exactly does that have to do with what I said?

[lord turbo]

Visiting the planet with General Rilldo was pretty fun.

That's one of the parts I actually really enjoyed. The fight with Rilldo wasn't half bad and I thought Goku was pretty cool in it.

Except it completely breaks the lore, now that you think about it. Majin Buu was supposed to be the greatest threat in the universe, and some random fucker on a random planet being even stronger than him directly contradicts this. In a universe under Freeza's control, where guys with the powerlevels of 40,000 like the Ginyus were widely dreaded, how can Rilldo be justified? Fuck no, he can't.

This already happened in Dragon Ball, replaced Majin Buu with Freeza and some random mofo with random scientist/androids and random planet with backwater planet (Earth), and replace RIldo with Androids/Cell and the point of your post remains the same.

[Totamo]

GT already dealt with how powerful threats could exist out in the universe: technology. If a scientist on earth can build androids stronger than Freeza (or as strong as Super Saiyan Blue, if we count Arale), there's no reason alien scientists couldn't come up with even better technology, which is why the Machine Mutants and Dr. Myuu were cool ideas. And they could easily have justified the lack of powerful technology in DBZ (aside from the androids on earth) by stating that Freeza actively destroyed planets that became too advanced in terms of weaponry and robotics, leading planets to stifle their own technological progression until after Freeza's death (thus explaining why powerful technology populates the universe by the time of GT).

GT just needed to use its concepts better. It's such a shame that it didn't.

except goku was nerfed as all hell throughout all of GT from being tutned into a kid and ghan and vegeta weren't around.

What exactly does that have to do with what I said?

the threat level of the villains were artificial in GT, Gero was also a superior scientist to Myuu.
had goku been at his peak and Gohan and vegeta were around and as strong as they were in z, none of those threats would have been a problem.

[Muffin Man]

except goku was nerfed as all hell throughout all of GT from being tutned into a kid and ghan and vegeta weren't around.

What exactly does that have to do with what I said?

the threat level of the villains were artificial in GT, Gero was also a superior scientist to Myuu.
had goku been at his peak and Gohan and vegeta were around and as strong as they were in z, none of those threats would have been a problem.

I wasn't talking about GT itself though, I was talking about the concepts behind GT. GT itself sucked ass. I sure as hell wouldn't have made the enemies in the first arc a bunch of goofy weaklings.

[Neon Z]

The mortal/god thing is totally artificial and irrelevant. Until 2013, the gods were all weak as all hell, even the one's that surpassed Freeza. Moreover, and complimentary to my point, the universe is big. Like, really fucking big! Writing a character stronger than Freeza in our universe would be about as easy as sharpening a pencil.

The God issue would have to do with them often not being around in the "Universe", but the Other World or their own sacred planets separate from anything else. Beerus kind of breaks that though, but he wasn't the first god stronger than Freeza anyway.

Regarding Freeza, the main issue is that he was established as the emperor of the universe, not just emperor of a galaxy or something like that. Toriyama jumped straight to the highest tier when introducing Freeza. He could just have ignored it and introduced stronger aliens anyway but it's clear he wanted to keep Freeza as the strongest "alien threat" and so stronger enemies came from other sources.

[HeroR]

The mortal/god thing is totally artificial and irrelevant. Until 2013, the gods were all weak as all hell, even the one's that surpassed Freeza. Moreover, and complimentary to my point, the universe is big. Like, really fucking big! Writing a character stronger than Freeza in our universe would be about as easy as sharpening a pencil.

The God issue would have to do with them often not being around in the "Universe", but the Other World or their own sacred planets separate from anything else. Beerus kind of breaks that though, but he wasn't the first god stronger than Freeza anyway.

Regarding Freeza, the main issue is that he was established as the emperor of the universe, not just emperor of a galaxy or something like that. Toriyama jumped straight to the highest tier when introducing Freeza. He could just have ignored it and introduced stronger aliens anyway but it's clear he wanted to keep Freeza as the strongest "alien threat" and so stronger enemies came from other sources.

Given the climb of the generations, it isn't impossible that someone surpassed Freeza in the twenty something years he was dead. However, making them stronger than Goku, especially right now, it highly unlikely. Also, Sorbet fully believed that Freeza could regained control of his empire and then the universe once he came back to life. He never considered Freeza getting stronger. Meaning, Namek Saga Freeza is still considered upper tier in U7, which was why Beerus was shocked that anyone beat Freeza and the Supreme Kai used Freeza as a bar to tell Goku how powerful Buu was, compared to the Kais who power out-stripped Freeza.

So Freeza was indeed the strongest mortal in U7 until Goku became a Super Saiyan. Gero creating those ultra-powerful androids are the outlier. Even then, the strongest android Cell had Freeza's cells.

[Grimlock]

Majin Buu = Magical Being

Huh? Mind to elaborate more on that? Where is it said/implied Buu is a magical being?

[Saturnine]

Everything is about the perspective.

You can say the Kaioshins were weak, because you think Freeza was weak. But the truth is, Freeza was at one point the strongest being in the known universe, by far, bar none. And each of the Kaioshins could end him in one blow, even the weak East Kaioshin.

The South Kaioshin was so powerful that he brought Kid Buu from his comparatively small powerlevel to greater than Super Buu's.

In Toriyama's work, this perspective is usually kept and powerlevels do usually make sense. If a being is powerful, they also hold suitable influence and are suitably feared. Freeza was a name known throughout the universe and Majin Buu was feared even by the gods.

One exception to this are the Androids - they had no business being as strong as they were and you really have to suspend your disbelief to accept how strong they actually were - even 19 and 20. Cell was quite believable, on the other hand, which served to rectify this a little bit.

But then came GT which introduced characters supposedly stronger than all those before them, but painfully, painfully lacking in influence and plain sense. Baby could be believed to be stronger than Buu because he possessed strong people, but that's basically it. Rilldo was said to be stronger than Buu, and he was just a random dolt on a random planet. Makes no sense whatsoever if you consider the weight both of these characters carry. Rilldo would already be borderline believable as a character with Zarbon-level power, let alone above Buu. Then came Super 17 - what the actual fuck? How can you reasonably hope to explain him being as powerful as he was? Two 17s fused together shouldn't be stronger than base Gotenks, if we assume a similar multiplier from the fusion. Hell, they probably shouldn't even be stronger than Cell absorbing 17. It's just extremely stupid, far-fetched and only gets worse the longer you think about it. And then we get to the Shadow Dragons - beings so powerful they're probably actually the biggest offenders here. Earth's Dragonballs are the smallest ones known and Shenron is the smallest, weakest dragon. He was literally killed by King Piccolo, who had a powerlevel of 250. How are we supposed to believe that simply through the energy of several wishes made with the balls, they were able to give birth to beings so powerful they could give pause to SSj4 Goku (who was already stronger than his SSj3 self from the end of Z in base?). The Shadow Dragons would have MAYBE worked if they happened right after Vegeta's defeat on Earth, before the depatrue to Namek, with the strongest dragon having a power of 20,000 or so. Making a Universe-threatening menace out of things spawned by Earth's little Dragonballs was a colossal storytelling failure in my opinion.

DB Super has its share of problems, but it actually nails the power to prominence ratio of its new villains and characters. Toriyama rightly realized that introducing people stronger than Buu requires them to carry weight larger than Buu, not be some metal jackass on a random planet nobody's conveniently ever heard about before. You go above Buu, you get the most powerful beings in existence, some that actually govern existence itself. And that was the logical way to go here. In the DB universe, guys like 18,000 Vegeta could conquer solo planets deemed difficult. What do you think would have happened if Freeza's planet trade gig had stumbled upon Rilldo's planet?

[Nejishiki]

Majin Buu = Magical Being

Huh? Mind to elaborate more on that? Where is it said/implied Buu is a magical being?

Boo's concept is based around genies, in general. It's not explicitly stated but with his magical powers and Toriyama featuring a similar character in Dr. Slump, it's fairly obvious that's the intention. It's as natural as thinking a character is a wizard if they don classic, stereotypical tells in the Western side of the world. It's so ingrained in culture that it doesn't need to be explained if you catch my drift. (In other words, it's quickly apparent to another land but there's nothing wrong with being unfamiliar with it yourself.)