Dragon Ball Super strength levels

[alxvrgs10]

My question is, do you guys think that Goku and Vegeta will ever become as strong or stronger than Beerus/Whis?

[ChronoTwigger]

My doubt is they are already stronger than him. If coupled, the more.

[Yomi]

My question is, do you guys think that Goku and Vegeta will ever become as strong or stronger than Beerus/Whis?

I remember in episode 17 or something. Goku and Vegeta were compared to a small tree and Beerus and the gods were his castle itself.
But since Kaioken times 10 did make Beerus sweat, they're probably about half as strong as him. Since Goku + Hit scared champa, and
Whis said that Vegeta + Goku could stand a chance against Beerus.

[Merged Zamasu]

I hope so, that would only confirm that Zamasu was right in wanting to exterminate all mortals. They are a grave threat to the Universe, and i can't even imagine the crimes they would commit if they could surpass even the Gods. Hopefully, people will slowly realize Zamasu was but a humble servant of the Universe. Anyway, Goku and Vegeta were vastly inferior to Merged Zamasu, so unless Merged Zamasu became stronger than Beerus (which is a possibility), how can Goku and Vegeta hope to surpass Beerus when they couldn't even reach Merged Zamasu's level?

[Legion]

My doubt is they are already stronger than him. If coupled, the more.

It's pretty clear that they are not stronger than him.

But since Kaioken times 10 did make Beerus sweat, they're probably about half as strong as him. Since Goku + Hit scared champa, and
Whis said that Vegeta + Goku could stand a chance against Beerus.

I don't understand how people can say that Champa was scared of Goku/Hit.
Champa was impressed when Goku and Hit "challenged him", because no one has ever dared to do it, is a bit' like the spoiled child being scolded, simply, as Hakaishin, he's not accustomed to such treatment. He wasn't scared of their power. Vados himself said that he can punish them.

Whis never said something like this in super.

Goku and Vegeta will become stronger than Beerus/Whis at the end of super or when Toriyama wants to do it.
Anyway, we already have a thread about power levels.

[ChronoTwigger]

I hope so, that would only confirm that Zamasu was right in wanting to exterminate all mortals. They are a grave threat to the Universe, and i can't even imagine the crimes they would commit if they could surpass even the Gods. Hopefully, people will slowly realize Zamasu was but a humble servant of the Universe. Anyway, Goku and Vegeta were vastly inferior to Merged Zamasu, so unless Merged Zamasu became stronger than Beerus (which is a possibility), how can Goku and Vegeta hope to surpass Beerus when they couldn't even reach Merged Zamasu's level?

There isn't any possible question into which you cannot glorify Zamasu .

[SaiyanGod117]

I can see them being stronger than Beerus in the future, but Whis...ehh I don't know.

[ChiefWamsutta]

I have debated whether or not I want Goku and Vegeta to pass Beerus. ... My feeling is that Beerus may lose his relevancy as a main character if he gets passed. We'll have to see, however.

[TheUltimateNinja]

I have debated whether or not I want Goku and Vegeta to pass Beerus. ... My feeling is that Beerus may lose his relevancy as a main character if he gets passed. We'll have to see, however.

At the same time, he can't just eternally stay above Goku and Vegeta, especially since he doesn't even train so his power remains static.

[Lord Beerus]

If Toriyama allows for it happen, sure. Because at this stage, given what they've went through, and the fact that Beerus/Whis are still so far ahead of the both of them, I don't think they'll ever catch up unless they pull out a new transformation or two from their arses.

[GodVegetto91]

Ever? Definitely! They got 10 other even more powerful GoD's and Angels, not to mention there's the Grand Priest, Omni-King and his attendants.

It would litterally be PATHETIC for Goku and Vegeta to never surpass Beerus and Whis. (The 2 weakest of them all) Minus Champa ofcourse.

[Nejishiki]

and Whis said that Vegeta + Goku could stand a chance against Beerus.

Whis' suggestion is exclusive to the Resurrection F film. Dragon Ball Super's anime continuity alters the exchange, specifically with Whis' feelings and Beerus' response.

Spoiler:

Spoiler:

It would litterally be PATHETIC for Goku and Vegeta to never surpass Beerus and Whis. (The 2 weakest of them all) Minus Champa ofcourse.

I don't understand how Goku & Vegeta would be considered pathetic for failing to surpass the strongest beings in the universe. Which episode claimed Beerus & Whis were the weakest Hakaishin & Angel duo, if you don't mind me asking?

[ChiefWamsutta]

I have debated whether or not I want Goku and Vegeta to pass Beerus. ... My feeling is that Beerus may lose his relevancy as a main character if he gets passed. We'll have to see, however.

At the same time, he can't just eternally stay above Goku and Vegeta, especially since he doesn't even train so his power remains static.

Yeah, that's true. ... I guess to better articulate what I want to say is -- I hope when they pass Beerus that they do it in a way where he stays relevant and they do not pass him for some bullshit reason.

Like, I would not mind passing Beerus by the end of the next arc.

[GodVegetto91]

and Whis said that Vegeta + Goku could stand a chance against Beerus.

Whis' suggestion is exclusive to the Resurrection F film. Dragon Ball Super's anime continuity alters the exchange, specifically with Whis' feelings and Beerus' response.

Spoiler:

Spoiler:

It would litterally be PATHETIC for Goku and Vegeta to never surpass Beerus and Whis. (The 2 weakest of them all) Minus Champa ofcourse.

I don't understand how Goku & Vegeta would be considered pathetic for failing to surpass the strongest beings in the universe. Which episode claimed Beerus & Whis were the weakest Hakaishin & Angel duo, if you don't mind me asking?

Because they're the first pair to be introduced. So it's only logical for them to be the weakest of the GoD's and Angels. And Champa was only weaker than Beerus because he's a lazy fat ass. The next opponent is usually always stronger than the previous ones.

[Gog]

Goku *could* become stronger then Beers if he can bump up Kaio ken to times twenty or beyond Vegeta will stay where he is.

Because he's vegeta

[GodKaio-Ken]

and Whis said that Vegeta + Goku could stand a chance against Beerus.

Whis' suggestion is exclusive to the Resurrection F film. Dragon Ball Super's anime continuity alters the exchange, specifically with Whis' feelings and Beerus' response.

Spoiler:

Spoiler:

It would litterally be PATHETIC for Goku and Vegeta to never surpass Beerus and Whis. (The 2 weakest of them all) Minus Champa ofcourse.

I don't understand how Goku & Vegeta would be considered pathetic for failing to surpass the strongest beings in the universe. Which episode claimed Beerus & Whis were the weakest Hakaishin & Angel duo, if you don't mind me asking?

Because they're the first pair to be introduced. So it's only logical for them to be the weakest of the GoD's and Angels. And Champa was only weaker than Beerus because he's a lazy fat ass. The next opponent is usually always stronger than the previous ones.

Based on this logic Cabba should be stronger than Vegeta as a Saiyan who was inteoduced later.

There is no indication they are the weakest. In fact if they were I bet Beerus would train much harder. He takes pride in being stronger than others. I can see him being okay with middle tier but not being the butt of the joke.

[Brettjr25]

No.

Heres the thing. Beerus and Whis arent power level junkies. They arent defined by it and arent a mountain to be climbed. They exist as an entity above all mortals in the Universe and have always been portrayed as it, even in that joke eps with Arale. The GoD power is something that surpasses all.

This is how i think of it. DB has a new level now, Supernatural. Zeno is the peak of it. He can dismantle anything, power level not needed. Tier below that are angels that were created to nuture and train GoD and the GoD gained this. Its Beerus destruction power, the thing that allows him tap a planet with a finger and disintegrate half of it, it allows him to touch Zamasu and turn him to dust. Those feats dont fit with anything from dbz.

For a short time I thought it was possible with SSG form because it was shown to be divinty as if Goku tapped into the Zeno power which is why he became pure, thin and could heal etc but that was all thrown away with SSB.

The only way I would thinl they could pass them is if they regain the title of Gods, showing them being supernatural. So if we get a God of Destruction Vegeta vs the return of Super Saiyan God Goku, then we may get the nod of Beerus stating they have surpassed me. But probably not until the last arc or the characters get a major restart.

[Nejishiki]

Because they're the first pair to be introduced. So it's only logical for them to be the weakest of the GoD's and Angels. And Champa was only weaker than Beerus because he's a lazy fat ass. The next opponent is usually always stronger than the previous ones.

It may be logical, it may not be. Until further elaboration, I think it's safer to assume all Hakaishin & Angels are comparable with each other. Don't misunderstand. I can buy that some gods may be weaker or stronger than Beerus & Whis. I hope we see a few of them in action sometime in the future. I was only curious if I missed something in the series itself. For that matter, we aren't certain of the next antagonist's affiliation yet so let's refrain from jumping the gun right now.

[VegettoEX]

There is already an active thread for discussions of this type. Please use that one - thank you!