Unpopular DB opinions

[Gog]

This is a really unpopular opinion .

Super saiyan is a lazy form, there isn't a whole lot going on with the form, the hair flips up, and goes go gold.
Its just, incredibly boring looking.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

This is a really unpopular opinion .

Super saiyan is a lazy form, there isn't a whole lot going on with the form, the hair flips up, and goes go gold.
Its just, incredibly boring looking.

I'd go even further, the concept itself is lazy. It's a cheat code Saiyans can use to win against people who should be too strong for them, rather than having the characters come up with creative ways to win.

[TheQuazz]

The Kaio-Ken was a good way of boosting power, because it had a risk. Once you'd mastered SSJ, that's it. Massive power boost every time. What's even the point if all they're going to do is use it at the start of a fight? This extends to the later transformations too, just seems like a lazy way to power up the characters.

[TheUltimateNinja]

SSGod and SSBlue are both great forms.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

SSGod and SSBlue are both great forms.

I agree, although the lore behind SSG is pretty weak.

[Doctor.]

SSGod and SSBlue are both great forms.

I agree, although the lore behind SSG is pretty weak.

I prefer that it was let intentionally vague in Super, because the BoG lore was terrible.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

SSGod and SSBlue are both great forms.

I agree, although the lore behind SSG is pretty weak.

I prefer that it was let intentionally vague in Super, because the BoG lore was terrible.

What really irked me is that it was mentioned in DBM in such a way that it seems like the legend of Super Saiyan God was just some commonly known thing. So Toriyama expects me to believe that the Super Saiyan legend, the rumor that everyone was terrified of, was equally as regarded as the legend of Super Saiyan God. That's not how legends work, and I can only suspend disbelief for so long.

But enough of that tangent. Basically, any attempts as giving SSG lore have failed, probably because they spent so long expanding on Super Saiyan's lore.

[TheUltimateNinja]

I agree, although the lore behind SSG is pretty weak.

I prefer that it was let intentionally vague in Super, because the BoG lore was terrible.

What really irked me is that it was mentioned in DBM in such a way that it seems like the legend of Super Saiyan God was just some commonly known thing. So Toriyama expects me to believe that the Super Saiyan legend, the rumor that everyone was terrified of, was equally as regarded as the legend of Super Saiyan God. That's not how legends work, and I can only suspend disbelief for so long.

But enough of that tangent. Basically, any attempts as giving SSG lore have failed, probably because they spent so long expanding on Super Saiyan's lore.

DBM doesn't really matter, though. Though Frieza knowing of SSGod is indeed nonsense.

Anyway, while it probably would have been best to introduce the form with minimal background info, they also could have made it so that SSGod is the true "Super Saiyan" referred to in the legend and the SSJs we've seen so far are just freak mutations. Sure, it would completely devalue the original SSJ but that already happened as soon as every Saiyan obtained the form, Goten and Trunks effortlessly gaining it completely destroyed the legend.

[Hellspawn28]

People really want DB back on a kids network when I really don't know why? I don't want Dragon Ball to be on a kids network since the old days of Toonami are long over. I know people want to re-live through their childhood again, but you are grown up now and should move on. People hated when Kai was censorship on Nick Toons, if Super air on a kids network, people will bitch about the same thing too. Why would you want something if you are just going to bitch about it anyways?

Sure having a new generation of kids watching Dragon Ball is cool, but I feel like that they will discover Dragon Ball one way or another. In the age of the Internet, things are way more easier to find now with a three second Google search.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

I prefer that it was let intentionally vague in Super, because the BoG lore was terrible.

What really irked me is that it was mentioned in DBM in such a way that it seems like the legend of Super Saiyan God was just some commonly known thing. So Toriyama expects me to believe that the Super Saiyan legend, the rumor that everyone was terrified of, was equally as regarded as the legend of Super Saiyan God. That's not how legends work, and I can only suspend disbelief for so long.

But enough of that tangent. Basically, any attempts as giving SSG lore have failed, probably because they spent so long expanding on Super Saiyan's lore.

DBM doesn't really matter, though. Though Frieza knowing of SSGod is indeed nonsense.

Anyway, while it probably would have been best to introduce the form with minimal background info, they also could have made it so that SSGod is the true "Super Saiyan" referred to in the legend and the SSJs we've seen so far are just freak mutations. Sure, it would completely devalue the original SSJ but that already happened as soon as every Saiyan obtained the form, Goten and Trunks effortlessly gaining it completely destroyed the legend.

Tbh as soon as all this grade nonsense happened that I feel the legend of SS was beginning to get "destroyed". But I feel like that was a sacrifice that had to be made to fuel the story on.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

I feel like that was a sacrifice that had to be made to fuel the story on.

Was it really though? Only one of the SS forms other than 1 ever proved useful, and even that wouldn't have been necessary if the villain wasn't so ridiculously overpowered.

[TheUltimateNinja]

Goku should have been the only SSJ. I was able to somewhat tolerate Trunks but Vegeta gaining the form as well completely ruined the mystique of it.

This wouldn't even create any powerscaling issues if SSJ was made a one-time thing that Goku wouldn't be able to use again, in fact it would actually greatly improve the Androids Arc if they're only contending with Base Saiyans rather than supposed legends, the strongest in the universe.

It would also necessitate the removal of Mecha Frieza from the plot which would be great as well, it made a mockery of Frieza's character.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

Goku should have been the only SSJ. I was able to somewhat tolerate Trunks but Vegeta gaining the form as well completely ruined the mystique of it.

That would have created such an imbalance in the power dynamic, though. Everything would have become like GT, but with an adult Goku.

[TheUltimateNinja]

Goku should have been the only SSJ. I was able to somewhat tolerate Trunks but Vegeta gaining the form as well completely ruined the mystique of it.

That would have created such an imbalance in the power dynamic, though. Everything would have become like GT, but with an adult Goku.

Thus my latter suggestion of having it be a one-time thing.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

Goku should have been the only SSJ. I was able to somewhat tolerate Trunks but Vegeta gaining the form as well completely ruined the mystique of it.

That would have created such an imbalance in the power dynamic, though. Everything would have become like GT, but with an adult Goku.

Thus my latter suggestion of having it be a one-time thing.

But it never could have been a one time thing, that would have thrown off the tension with future villains. You either have Super Saiyan in a permanent form or you don't, it can't be any other way unless you intend to end the narrative there..

[Doctor.]

Goku should have been the only SSJ. I was able to somewhat tolerate Trunks but Vegeta gaining the form as well completely ruined the mystique of it.

This wouldn't even create any powerscaling issues if SSJ was made a one-time thing that Goku wouldn't be able to use again, in fact it would actually greatly improve the Androids Arc if they're only contending with Base Saiyans rather than supposed legends, the strongest in the universe.

It would also necessitate the removal of Mecha Frieza from the plot which would be great as well, it made a mockery of Frieza's character.

What would Gohan's unleashed potential be, then?

I wouldn't mind Goku being the only one who achieved SS, but make it a permanent form, just make it so that he's incapable of fighting through the majority of the android arc and SS has some severe drawbacks that make it functionally incapable of long battles.

[Nejishiki]

What really irked me is that it was mentioned in DBM in such a way that it seems like the legend of Super Saiyan God was just some commonly known thing. So Toriyama expects me to believe that the Super Saiyan legend, the rumor that everyone was terrified of, was equally as regarded as the legend of Super Saiyan God. That's not how legends work, and I can only suspend disbelief for so long.

But enough of that tangent. Basically, any attempts as giving SSG lore have failed, probably because they spent so long expanding on Super Saiyan's lore.

How did you receive the impression that Super Saiyan God's conception was a well known tale when it's regarded as mythology in Dragon Ball Super's anime continuity and was lost to history in the Battle of Gods film? If anything, it wasn't regarded by anyone living due to Shen Long being the lone entity knowledgeable of its existence and Beerus' knowledge coming from Oracle Fish's predictions. With the latter, premonition doesn't particularly grant knowledge of the subject being observed.

DBM doesn't really matter, though. Though Frieza knowing of SSGod is indeed nonsense.

Freeza was aware of Super Saiyan God? I don't recall any moments where he suggested that idea. Do you mind guiding me towards the right direction?

It would also necessitate the removal of Mecha Frieza from the plot which would be great as well, it made a mockery of Frieza's character.

How was Freeza's character improperly portrayed? His motivation of direct, cruel revenge in favor of immediate, planetary destruction seems accurate to me.

[ABED]

What would Gohan's unleashed potential be, then?

Like it wasn't already unleashed several times before. Gohan's bottomless well of "potential" is far worse than turning Super Saiyan.

[ekrolo2]

Freeza was aware of Super Saiyan God? I don't recall any moments where he suggested that idea. Do you mind guiding me towards the right direction?

He knows about according to Minus which means he knows Saiyan lore better than the crown Prince
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[TheUltimateNinja]

How was Freeza's character improperly portrayed? His motivation of direct, cruel revenge in favor of immediate, planetary destruction seems accurate to me.

His death against Goku was poetic and perfect, especially after such an epic hard fought battle. The only reason he was brought back was to job for Trunks which not only makes Frieza look like a joke but also devalues Goku's achievement on Namek. King Cold should have come to Earth alone.

That would have created such an imbalance in the power dynamic, though. Everything would have become like GT, but with an adult Goku.

Thus my latter suggestion of having it be a one-time thing.

But it never could have been a one time thing, that would have thrown off the tension with future villains. You either have Super Saiyan in a permanent form or you don't, it can't be any other way unless you intend to end the narrative there..

I don't think so, even if the opponents in the Cell Arc turn out much weaker than Frieza and SSJ Goku, they'd still be well above Base Saiyans which would definitely create tension as the Saiyans don't have a way to easily boost their power, Goku has the Kaioken but it has side effects, and he's out of commission for the first half of the arc anyway so it's not like it matters if 17 and 18 end up weaker than Kaioken Goku.