Things that grind your gears

[Doctor.]

How is the split arbitrary?

Because, in the context of the full story of "Dragon Ball", the whole manga is just one story.

The line could have been drawn between any story arc other than Saiyan/Namek and Piccolo/23rd Budokai.

The Piccolo Jr arc is the only one that gives the original DB an ending feel to it cause the other 5 arcs all ended on a cliffhanger.

Z is without a doubt a continuation to the original but the Saiyan arc feels like a soft reboot, weather that was intended or not is anyone's guess but considaring Toriyama's editor changed after the Piccolo arc, I'll say it was intended.

You could have the split between the Cell and Boo arc, but yet you never see anyone say how the Boo arc should be a different series. If the anime progressed without a split, nobody would be saying "Saiyan arc onwards should be a different series!"

The Saiyan Arc I could see, but the Freeza Arc has horrible problems. The Freeza fight literally takes up almost half of the arc. Freeza's build-up shamelessly collapses under its own weight, the Super Saiyan contrivance has its origin during the Ginyu fight. The villain progression is far too video game-like. People give Vegeta credit for being such a genius here, but in reality, most of his success comes from the stupidity of Freeza and his men. Every single interesting technique or transformation was a total ass-pull. In fact, thinking about it now, the Freeza Arc has a similar problem to DBS's Future Trunks Arc; The character arcs are fantastic, but the interconnecting narrative material falls flat most of the time.

I'm aware of the flaws of the Freeza arc but I feel like most of them apply to most of the other arcs as well and are minor compared to the things the arc does right, such as the character development, character usage and interactions and the fact that there are multiple sub-plots at play, not just one single "defeat the villain" objective for most of the arc.

[sintzu]

You could have the split between the Cell and Boo arc, but yet you never see anyone say how the Boo arc should be a different series.

If the anime progressed without a split, nobody would be saying "Saiyan arc onwards should be a different series!"

I do, I think the only reason it didn't happen back then was because of how popular Z was but it did with Kai so I got my wish.

I look at the manga's story as a trilogy, Pilaf to Piccolo is part 1, Vegeta to Cell is part 2 & Buu is part 3 so even if the anime was all under one name, I'd still look at it that way.

[sintzu]

The Piccolo Jr. Arc ended on every bit the cliffhanger that the Pilaf, 21st Budokai, Baba Arc, and 22nd Budokai ended on. I think you're remembering things selectively.

Goku won the tournament he always wanted to, became the strongest person on earth & got married so where's the clif hanger ? do you mean Piccolo leaving ?

DB could've ended there and it would've been a perfect complete story.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

The Piccolo Jr. Arc ended on every bit the cliffhanger that the Pilaf, 21st Budokai, Baba Arc, and 22nd Budokai ended on. I think you're remembering things selectively.

Goku won the tournament he always wanted to, became the strongest person on earth & got married so where's the clif hanger ? do you mean Piccolo leaving ?

DB could've ended there and it would've been a perfect complete story.

It could've done the same after Pilaf, 21st Budokai, and the Baba Arc. We can go on all day, but the fact remains that the split is arbitrary. Not sure why this is even an issue.

[sintzu]

It could've done the same after Pilaf, 21st Budokai, and the Baba Arc. We can go on all day, but the fact remains that the split is arbitrary. Not sure why this is even an issue.

We wouldn't even be talking about DB if it ended after Pilaf.

The 21st Budokai ended with Goku wanting to train for the next Budokai and find the 4 star ball, those are 2 major plot points.

The Baba arc continued what was set up in the 21st Budokai of Goku getting ready for the 22nd one.

The Piccolo JR arc ended with Goku and Piccolo being set up as eternal rivals cause if he died then Kami would so he couldn't kill him but instead would always fight him if the need came.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

We wouldn't even be talking about DB if it ended after Pilaf.

The 21st Budokai ended with Goku wanting to train for the next Budokai and find the 4 star ball, those are 2 major plot points.

The Baba arc continued what was set up in the 21st Budokai of Goku getting ready for the 22nd one.

The Piccolo Jr arc ended with Goku and Piccolo being set up as eternal rivals cause if he died then Kami would so he couldn't kill him but instead would always fight him if the need came.

Umm... yeah. Neat, I agree, thanks for proving my point. They all have things that could be, and were, followed up on. Not sure what this has to do anything, I think the apologist in you may be causing you to see some sort of difference where none exists.

[sintzu]

I think the apologist in you may be causing you to see some sort of difference where none exists.

I think there's a difference between the 1st 3 Z arcs and Buu as well even tough they're all part of the Z brand so it's not just because they decided to split them up after Piccolo.

I do agree that it's all one story but I think there's enough differences between DB, Z's 1st 3 arcs and Buu to split them up into 3 parts.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

I think the apologist in you may be causing you to see some sort of difference where none exists.

I think there's a difference between the 1st 3 Z arcs and Buu as well even tough they're all part of the Z brand so it's not just because they decided to split them up after Piccolo.

I do agree that it's all one story but I think there's enough differences between DB, Z's 1st 3 arcs and Buu to split them up into 3 parts.

Yeah, you could. You could probably split it into even more parts, it's still a dumb thing to do. I refer back to my previous post:

Nothing's wrong with it per se, it's just dumb. You don't start Naruto with Shippuden, you don't start The Walking Dead on Season 4, you don't watch Dexter from Season 5. Viewing the Z era material and onward exclusively is just a ridiculous notion.

[The gr]

Things that grind your gears about Dragon Ball.
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-The Sub vs dub debate

-super not passing the eoz

- the stupid click bait videos like OMFG a new god of destruction

-the fact that super Saiyan is a cheap way to power up a characters

-and the whole chi chi ruin Gohan thing is ridiculous

-and people still make lame and outdated memes like krillin and yamcha is weak goku bad parenting over 9000 etc

-fans demanding more Saiyans in DB super

[keyz05]

I have a lot to say. The DragonBall fanbase has been getting on my nerves lately, so I need to jot all this down.

-The Youtubers. They annoy me a lot in my opinion. Geekdom101, Rhymestyle, Expergamez, Laughingstockmedia, and so much more to think of. My god, I wish these people could just, you know, SHUT UP! DragonBall is Toriyama's franchise and he could do whatever he want with it. These people are annoying and I unsubbed to their channel. I just can't take it anymore.

-Fans debate on Goku Vs. Fictional character. Especially, the infamous Goku Vs. Superman. Oh my god, I have to AVOID that one as well. It's too hard for me to get into it.

-Super's animation. I like Super and newer DragonBall content, no matter what. I just hate it when fans just randomly backlash it.

-Xenoverse 2 complaining. I love Xenoverse 2 and think it's a masterpiece. Hating all the guys that bash the game, for no reason and accept it as opinion.

-People complaining that Bruce Falcouner was better than the original soundtrack in Japan. Wow... This one is even more stupid, in my opinion. Understand that the Japanese dub DOES NOT have the same exact music as everyone else wants. It's foreign and I don't care about which is better. Music is Music.

Can't wait for DragonBall to officially return in 2017. But still, the fanbase just keeps annoying at every inch of my skin. They just can't learn, be ignorant over a lot of things, and just accept that their opinion is a fact. Then, there are predictions and I hate that. Won't ever explain that again just because I've explained it before in my list.

Anyone can reply.

[Gog]

I have a lot to say. The DragonBall fanbase has been getting on my nerves lately, so I need to jot all this down.

-The Youtubers. They annoy me a lot in my opinion. Geekdom101, Rhymestyle, Expergamez, Laughingstockmedia, and so much more to think of. My god, I wish these people could just, you know, SHUT UP! DragonBall is Toriyama's franchise and he could do whatever he want with it. These people are annoying and I unsubbed to their channel. I just can't take it anymore.

-Fans debate on Goku Vs. Fictional character. Especially, the infamous Goku Vs. Superman. Oh my god, I have to AVOID that one as well. It's too hard for me to get into it.

-Super's animation. I like Super and newer DragonBall content, no matter what. I just hate it when fans just randomly backlash it.

-Xenoverse 2 complaining. I love Xenoverse 2 and think it's a masterpiece. Hating all the guys that bash the game, for no reason and accept it as opinion.

-People complaining that Bruce Falcouner was better than the original soundtrack in Japan. Wow... This one is even more stupid, in my opinion. Understand that the Japanese dub DOES NOT have the same exact music as everyone else wants. It's foreign and I don't care about which is better. Music is Music.

Can't wait for DragonBall to officially return in 2017. But still, the fanbase just keeps annoying at every inch of my skin. They just can't learn, be ignorant over a lot of things, and just accept that their opinion is a fact. Then, there are predictions and I hate that. Won't ever explain that again just because I've explained it before in my list.

Anyone can reply.

I'm only gravitating towards the YouTube part of your post, as its the only thing that has managed to piss me off besides the tirade of men, and women taking their time to shit on Golden Freeza's design.

Why do they annoy you? why the hell can't they criticize shitty decisions in the franchise, or is Toriyama-sempai an untouchable god, and his all perfect franchise Dragon ball(TM) untouchable to criticism?

[DanielSSJ]

- Kuririn vs. Tenshinhan debates.

- Fans of the dub who vehemently disparage the Japanese voices, dialogue, and especially the music.

- The lack of availability of Dragon Box Vol. 2 and Vol. 7 for a decent price.

- The ending of the Future Trunks Arc.

[MajinMan]

The fact that we have certain youtubers praise and hype up literally most episodes of Super (especially the Future Trunks arc) in their episode reviews and in the end call the arc mediocre or bad.

"Oh, there was this one part I did not like at the end. I guess that means the arc is complete shit now and all my excitement and thrill that I got from watching the arc is now all void."

[Cure Dragon 255]

Most youtubers are arent worth the hype themselves. Sure there are nice youtubers like Gaffer Tape and Masako X.

[Dbzfan94]

Delete this please.

[Dbzfan94]

Things that grind your gears about Dragon Ball.

-The Sub vs dub debate

-super not passing the eoz

- the stupid click bait videos like OMFG a new god of destruction

-the fact that super Saiyan is a cheap way to power up a characters

-and the whole chi chi ruin Gohan thing is ridiculous

-and people still make lame and outdated memes like krillin and yamcha is weak goku bad parenting over 9000 etc

-fans demanding more Saiyans in DB super

ALL OF THESE. THANK YOU.

The fact that we have certain youtubers praise and hype up literally most episodes of Super (especially the Future Trunks arc) in their episode reviews and in the end call the arc mediocre or bad.
"Oh, there was this one part I did not like at the end. I guess that means the arc is complete shit now and all my excitement and thrill that I got from watching the arc is now all void."

Well, for me, the ending of the Black/Zamasu Saga killed the arc. I can still enjoy the good parts, but the terrible ending will always be in the back of my mind.[/quote]

I have a lot to say. The DragonBall fanbase has been getting on my nerves lately, so I need to jot all this down.

-Super's animation. I like Super and newer DragonBall content, no matter what. I just hate it when fans just randomly backlash it.

-Xenoverse 2 complaining. I love Xenoverse 2 and think it's a masterpiece. Hating all the guys that bash the game, for no reason and accept it as opinion.

What's the problem with criticizing animation when it's bad? Liking Super just because it's Dragon Ball no matter what isn't very logical. Sure, it's great to be excited about new content, we all are, but that doesn't mean we should accept bad animation like in the RF arc. Sure, most of the time it's not nearly as bad as people say, and there are some who hate it just to be "funny" or "cool," but yeah. There are some complaints about Super that are completely valid, so it's no use getting annoyed over.

Xenoverse 2 is a good game but it's not that great. Could've very easily been DLC or a patch for XV1. Nowhere near a masterpiece. Could have been, but Dimps was incredibly lazy. People have opinions, as you said, so why get mad if their opinions differ from yours?

[The gr]

Things that grind your gears about Dragon Ball.

-The Sub vs dub debate

-super not passing the eoz

- the stupid click bait videos like OMFG a new god of destruction

-the fact that super Saiyan is a cheap way to power up a characters

-and the whole chi chi ruin Gohan thing is ridiculous

-and people still make lame and outdated memes like krillin and yamcha is weak goku bad parenting over 9000 etc

-fans demanding more Saiyans in DB super

ALL OF THESE. THANK YOU.

Your welcome I appreciate the feedback

[Esfír Dedragón]

Time travel shenanigans
I admit that it was already problematic during the Cell arc, but at least it was easier to follow (by comparison) until Goku Black and Zamasu showed up. Don't even get me started on Toyotaro's line about time travel being done before Trunks did!

Lack of reference to years being mentioned in the anime.
Self-explanatory

Fans using the term "ningen" as some pretentious, exotic phrase for the beings that Zamasu hates (e.g. "mortals").
*SPEAK BLOODY ENGLISH!!!*

[Adrian Malacoda]

Fans using the term "ningen" as some pretentious, exotic phrase for the beings that Zamasu hates (e.g. "mortals").

I've noticed people doing this too, but it seems to be mostly confined to meme-y contexts.

On a related note, people referring to humans (in the DB sense) as "mortals" bothers me a little since it makes no sense to distinguish between gods and "mortals" in a universe where gods are mortal. I can understand why, though, since we're so used to the idea that Earthlings = humans. But, what really bothers me is when people say translating the word properly is "poor localization" or that it "really means mortal" because then people get the idea that the word actually does mean "mortal" (even outside the context of the Zamasu arc) and I have to correct them. I feel like this whole "mortal" concept was drawn up specifically to avoid the confusion (in the English speaking fandom) of aliens being human, but it's caused problems of its own.

It also feels uncomfortably like the statement that "kami literally translates to god, but it really refers to a Guardian" that I've actually seen pop up from time to time: the notion that some fan or adaptation terminology is somehow more correct than the actual. It seems like [guardian/mortal] was just something that [localizers/fans] came up as an adaptation for [kami/ningen] because they couldn't understand the concept of [god/human].

[Dbzfan94]

Fans using the term "ningen" as some pretentious, exotic phrase for the beings that Zamasu hates (e.g. "mortals").
*SPEAK BLOODY ENGLISH!!!*

To be fair, I only see it used as a joke.