"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[TheMikado]

I loved their comment on Broly. You can tell they don't care for the character.

Reading it, that's not at all what it sounds like at all.

The article goes on and on about how their specific goal is commercializations and merchandising to the point where they have input into the products for commercial purposes. They cite Dragonball fusions as being as being a product that they felt would sell well even though many of the many of the fusions were not present in the original run. Then they go on to state Broly is incredibly popular overseas. If anything it sounds like they are setting up the justification for more Broly content.

Using him again to make money and liking the character aren't the same things. They pretty much said that the only reason he's popular is because he's powerful and musclebound, and that in Japan they care about more than that.

I don't see how you're getting that either. It sounds neutral. They even used the word "different" not "better" or "more" several times. It sounds like they are just stating that Broly is literally incredibly popular overseas which would go hand and hand with they being primarily focused on commercializations and merchandising.

[kinisking]

I loved their comment on Broly. You can tell they don't care for the character.

Reading it, that's not at all what it sounds like at all.

The article goes on and on about how their specific goal is commercializations and merchandising to the point where they have input into the products for commercial purposes. They cite Dragonball fusions as being as being a product that they felt would sell well even though many of the many of the fusions were not present in the original run. Then they go on to state Broly is incredibly popular overseas. If anything it sounds like they are setting up the justification for more Broly content.

They're definitely going to be making Broly content, but more so for people overseas than themselves. They're literally saying Broly is only popular because he's strong and has bulging muscles while Japan doesn't care about that as much.

And to your response to someone else. Of course they'll be neutral. They're not going to start outwardly trash talking the character but reading in between the lines makes it obvious they don't care about him.

[TheMikado]

^ I think that's people putting their own spin on it where it doesn't exist. Just my opinion though. He says overseas markets like strong muscular characters, Broly is that and does well in those markets. I'm not sure what I'm missing to imply they hate Broly other then assuming "strong and muscular" are now insults?

I decided to quote it since it would be easier

In addition to domestic merchandise development, another major job for this section is expanding overseas. It seems that the basis for what makes a character popular are slightly different overseas than in Japan: “Overseas, ‘strength’ determines popularity”, he says. One particularly large difference between Japan and overseas is the “incredible popularity” of the movie-original character Broli, who appeared as an enemy in three films (one of which featured a clone of him): “He’s got bulging muscles and gives Goku a tough fight, so the Super Saiyan version of Broli is popular.”

[dbzfan7]

Sounds like to me they slammed the western audience XD

[kinisking]

^ I think that's people putting their own spin on it where it doesn't exist. Just my opinion though. He says overseas markets like strong muscular characters, Broly is that and does well in those markets. I'm not sure what I'm missing to imply they hate Broly other then assuming "strong and muscular" are now insults?

I decided to quote it since it would be easier

In addition to domestic merchandise development, another major job for this section is expanding overseas. It seems that the basis for what makes a character popular are slightly different overseas than in Japan: “Overseas, ‘strength’ determines popularity”, he says. One particularly large difference between Japan and overseas is the “incredible popularity” of the movie-original character Broli, who appeared as an enemy in three films (one of which featured a clone of him): “He’s got bulging muscles and gives Goku a tough fight, so the Super Saiyan version of Broli is popular.”

Again, they specifically say he's popular overseas. Which heavily implies that he's not popular with them. I didn't say they hate the character, they just don't care for him.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

Again, they specifically say he's popular overseas. Which heavily implies that he's not popular with them. I didn't say they hate the character, they just don't care for him.

That's demonstrably false, though. Broly is marketed to hell, right into the ground in Japan. They wouldn't push him if he weren't extremely popular, especially since he's such a minor character. Also, I literally see him in Japanese conversations all the time. Well, as much as you see him in the less casual English community.

[kinisking]

Again, they specifically say he's popular overseas. Which heavily implies that he's not popular with them. I didn't say they hate the character, they just don't care for him.

That's demonstrably false, though. Broly is marketed to hell, right into the ground in Japan. They wouldn't push him if he weren't extremely popular, especially since he's such a minor character. Also, I literally see him in Japanese conversations all the time. Well, as much as you see him in the less casual English community.

Then it could be a case of them sneakily talking about their own opinions using Japan as a facade, either way I'm pretty sure the people talking about him don't like him very much.

[TheMikado]

Again, they specifically say he's popular overseas. Which heavily implies that he's not popular with them. I didn't say they hate the character, they just don't care for him.

That's demonstrably false, though. Broly is marketed to hell, right into the ground in Japan. They wouldn't push him if he weren't extremely popular, especially since he's such a minor character. Also, I literally see him in Japanese conversations all the time. Well, as much as you see him in the less casual English community.

Then it could be a case of them sneakily talking about their own opinions using Japan as a facade, either way I'm pretty sure the people talking about him don't like him very much.

What opinion though? I literally see no negative connotation at all. They didn't say Broly was unpopular in Japan just that he's incredibly popular overseas which is "different" than Japan. This is a stupid thing to argue over but trying to make an interview seem negative about something they are making an observation on and being neutral on is incredibly weird.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

In other words Super needs to do well overseas or we're in big trouble! Everybody legally support the show when/if it airs/releases in your country!

[precita]

In other words Super needs to do well overseas or we're in big trouble! Everybody legally support the show when/if it airs/releases in your country!

???

Dude, Super is safe for now. Dragonball is an established series popular for nearly 30 years. It'll do well overseas because kids who grew up watching DBZ will watch it as well as new kids.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

In other words Super needs to do well overseas or we're in big trouble! Everybody legally support the show when/if it airs/releases in your country!

???

Dude, Super is safe for now. Dragonball is an established series popular for nearly 30 years. It'll do well overseas because kids who grew up watching DBZ will watch it as well as new kids.

He's saying it needs to do well in a financial sense, meaning the fans need to watch it legally. Although most of us know better, there are still many who pirate everything, some of them don't even know they're doing anything wrong (although most of them are just jerks). This, of course, is in reference to the recent Broly comments, which people are already blowing out of proportion.

However, supporting DBS will have little to do with the content we get. They aren't judging a love of Broly by the amount of movies sold, they're looking at our online communities. Actually, I hypothesize that a huge portion of the Western Broly Fans in question are from the Hispanic community, since they're far more numerous than we are, meaning that our buying choices would mean very little.

By the way, we're already talking about the DB Room stuff over here: viewtopic.php?t=35571&view=unread#unread

[kinisking]

That's demonstrably false, though. Broly is marketed to hell, right into the ground in Japan. They wouldn't push him if he weren't extremely popular, especially since he's such a minor character. Also, I literally see him in Japanese conversations all the time. Well, as much as you see him in the less casual English community.

Then it could be a case of them sneakily talking about their own opinions using Japan as a facade, either way I'm pretty sure the people talking about him don't like him very much.

What opinion though? I literally see no negative connotation at all. They didn't say Broly was unpopular in Japan just that he's incredibly popular overseas which is "different" than Japan. This is a stupid thing to argue over but trying to make an interview seem negative about something they are making an observation on and being neutral on is incredibly weird.

Dude if they liked Broly, they'd say it. It's in their best interest because it could generate hype for the character. If they don't like him, they're not going to say it because it's not in their best interest. It could upset the fans who do. I'm not saying they hate him but they're clearly apathetic.

[TheMikado]

^ What? Going by your logic they feel the same way about Toriyama, Toei Animation, V Jump, Dragonball Heroes, Xenoverse, and Fusions???

[Kagari]

I loved their comment on Broly. You can tell they don't care for the character.

As long as they keep him contained in the games we're good.

[kinisking]

^ What? Going by your logic they feel the same way about Toriyama, Toei Animation, V Jump, Dragonball Heroes, Xenoverse, and Fusions???

What I said just now wasn't the only reason, it was just supplement to what I said previously. I don't really care enough about this to argue anymore though.

[sintzu]

I loved their comment on Broly. You can tell they don't care for the character.

As long as they keep him contained in the games we're good.

If they think bringing him back will make them a lot of $$$ internationally they might do it.

They could get Toriyama to write an arc about him or just give him his 4th movie.

[kinisking]

I loved their comment on Broly. You can tell they don't care for the character.

As long as they keep him contained in the games we're good.

If they think bringing him back will make them a lot of $$$ internationally they might do it.

They could get Toriyama to write an arc about him or just give him his 4th movie.

Broly could work if you reworked him. Keep his design (although I don't like the buff form as much but whatever), but change his backstory and personality. Add some depth. Make him a U6 saiyan instead of yet another u7 one that came out of nowhere. He has the potential to be a good character that way.

[dblack]

In other words Super needs to do well overseas or we're in big trouble! Everybody legally support the show when/if it airs/releases in your country!

???

Dude, Super is safe for now. Dragonball is an established series popular for nearly 30 years. It'll do well overseas because kids who grew up watching DBZ will watch it as well as new kids.

He's saying it needs to do well in a financial sense, meaning the fans need to watch it legally. Although most of us know better, there are still many who pirate everything, some of them don't even know they're doing anything wrong (although most of them are just jerks). This, of course, is in reference to the recent Broly comments, which people are already blowing out of proportion.

Some people don't have cable, DVR, etc. DB sees the $ from people who pirate when they release merch, games, movies. I could be completely off base but I'd be willing to bet viewer numbers barely translates to any $ for them especially in the west.

[Psykomatik]

https://twitter.com/DB_super2015/status ... 8371075072
Bluray box number 5 is now available in Japan. It contains episode 49 to 60.
Can't wait to put my hand on it, so i can compare each episodes with his TV versions to see if they did some corrections!

[LittleGreen]

I would love to support DBS, when it comes to germany (and it will at some point), but it looks like, we´re getting the really NOT good Kazé Dub.
Out main cast, well at least the VA for Vegeta and Bulma said they have no time for a new series and especially Vegetas VA said Dragonball is over for him.

When DBS comes to germany, AND Kazé is going to use the voices they´re using currently for Dragonball Kai, well that´s going to be a disaster.

I´m more up to support Funimation and import the BluRays from them, once they´re avaiable.