"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

[prince212]

thanks . i still can´t see how beerus and whis created a new parallel ring ( is that in the anime ?) the link i tried to post (manga17 page9) showed the moment in the manga where gowasu discover a new ring world recently created right after trunks coming back to the past to tell about black goku and that is before beerus hakaing zamasu .....
also the fact that trunks travell back to the same timeline doesn´t implies no new parallel world is created , every trip to the past create a new parallel world
but you are right , manga didn´t name the rings , just the first one , so who knows

With the anime, Beerus created another parallel world when he destroyed Zamasu. Whis created another parallel world for Future Trunks & Future Mai later. In the manga, Gowasu was surprised four Time Rings existed since last he checked. There's no reference for how long "last time" was. By virtue of Future Trunks keeping his time machine settings static & informing Future Mai that he wouldn't be able to return to Goku's era if he altered said settings indicates that he travels the same pathway to the alternate past each time as he did in his last trip.

In the Artificial Humans arc, new parallel worlds were created when Future Trunks traveled into the past, Future Cell traveled into another past, & another Future Trunks was mirrored to reflect "future" time travel trips established in history. However, in the same arc, whenever Future Trunks travels the same pathway back & forth between the alternate future & past, he's failed to create another parallel world. That's evidence that not all alternate trips to the past create new parallel worlds. Now that he's properly informed, he avoids the process of creating additional parallel worlds.

i understand , so ... there are 5 parallel worlds :
-that created in universe 12
- present time where goku is alive but was suposse to be dead by some heart disease
-present time where cell never appear in the past
- future time where trunks is alive instead of being killed by cell
-present time where goku is killed by black zamasu

so , at the end all trunks trips to the past lead to a new parallel word , in the first one he gave the medicines to goku , in the second he discovered about cell intentions in his future line so he didn´t get killed , and in this last one he let beerus and whis know about zamasu , so they killed him to change the present ...

[Nejishiki]

i understand , so ... there are 5 parallel worlds :
-that created in universe 12
- present time where goku is alive but was suposse to be dead by some heart disease
-present time where cell never appear in the past
- future time where trunks is alive instead of being killed by cell
-present time where goku is killed by black zamasu

so , at the end all trunks trips to the past lead to a new parallel word , in the first one he gave the medicines to goku , in the second he discovered about cell intentions in his future line so he didn´t get killed , and in this last one he let beerus and whis know about zamasu , so they killed him to change the present ...

Concerning the original story, I created a simple guide including the least amount of assumptions about time travel details. You're earning a ticket to the correct plane though. To be specific, new splits are typically created by traveling to a non-established alternate past. Two Goku potentially recovered from their heart disease. One Future Trunks was killed by Cell & the other killed Cell. That Future Trunks informed Goku about about Goku Black. However, nobody killed him. I'm not sure what you meant by that.

[Freeza9000]

This may be quite a stupid question on my part, but when is the next chapter of the Super manga coming out?

[Khin]

This may be quite a stupid question on my part, but when is the next chapter of the Super manga coming out?

It officially comes out every monthly issue of the V-Jump, which would be the 21st of every month. However, it could leak days prior.

[alakazam^]

I'd find it hilarious if Toyotarou has them fuse into Gogeeta, turn Blue, diffuse in the next panel and then go with the Veget route, which I think is part of Toriyama's plot.

[Noah]

I think SSJB Gogeta would instantly defuse. If SSJB Gogeta happens in the manga and it lasts for more than a minute in-universe, I'm calling major bullshit. Especially since SSJB is far more taxing in the manga than in the anime.

Not really as bullshit as the Potara nerf. Anyway I don't have a problem with SSJB during for quite a while, it's not like they going SSJ3, it's a calmer transformation even with its stamina issues

[SSJ Human]

This may be quite a stupid question on my part, but when is the next chapter of the Super manga coming out?

I always just go on Reddit and look up how many days it's been since the translated chapter was released. I've been doing that since Chapter 14 and every time there passes 30 days we usually have another chapter out or being leaked.

It's one of the things I look forward to monthly. Even when the series lets me down, it's still this constant reminder that something decent might come out of the anime too.

[emperior]

Blue Gogeta would literally last 10 seconds if SSJ3 Gotenks only lasted 5 minutes

I think SSJB Gogeta would instantly defuse. If SSJB Gogeta happens in the manga and it lasts for more than a minute in-universe, I'm calling major bullshit. Especially since SSJB is far more taxing in the manga than in the anime.

Wow I almost forgot the bullshit limitations Toyotaro gave to SSB.

The guy claims his work is as close as Toriyama's draft as possible yet Toriyama was the one to write RoF where SSB clearly has no drawbacks and Goku is the one to call out Freezer's stupidity of not improving his too taxing Golden Form. Not to mention it was clear SSG shouldn't be a form Goku can transform into unless he does the ritual and guess who said Goku would never need to go SSG once again because he absorbed its power? Toriyama.

I don't bash Toyotaro though, the guy is at least trying to make some sense out of Toriyama's draft. They should just tell us the truth that's been in front of us for many months: Toriyama just doesn't care to write something detailed. I mean, was it that difficult to ask him exactly how Goku vs Hit was supposed to play out? I think we figured out Toriyama just wrote down "Goku is 10 times stronger than Vegeta" or something similar. Although it makes no sense. I personally would have just stated Vegeta's battles made him so tired he was only able to use 20% of his power then make Goku use Kaioken x2 and state he can't take it any further. This way you still keep it fundamentally the same as in the anime while keeping in check Hit, Goku and Beerus' power.

[Nejishiki]

Super Saiyan Blue's mechanics in Resurrection F & Dragon Ball Super's manga continuity don't need to follow each other's rules. As I just wrote ( ), they're separate continuities. Toyotaro's story is consistent within itself & the drawback of Super Saiyan Blue only activates if one switches the transformation on-and-off in a short period of time. It's as powerful as it's intended to be when used normally.

Super Saiyan God doesn't fade away in Toyotaro's story. Again, this is consistent within itself. Yes, Battle of Gods had Super Saiyan God wear out with Goku absorbing the power. Yes, in support to his Battle of Gods film, Toriyama claimed it wasn't necessary anymore to start the ritual (I've italicized where the film segment is quoted below). That's not how it's portrayed in the manga continuity & one shouldn't expect a 1:1 adaption either. It needs to stand out in its promotional magazine. Super Saiyan God is treated as a standard transformation for the entirety of Goku's battle with Beerus in the manga continuity. Toyotaro is encouraged to determine his own spin like the anime staff is.

Will Goku be able to transform into [Super Saiyan] God in the future?
I think you'll understand if you watch [the movie], but Goku has already absorbed [Super Saiyan] God's power and made it his own, so there is no need for him to transform into [Super Saiyan] God. Goku basically only thinks of fighting as a sporting match, so borrowing the power of five people isn't fair, and he resisted doing that; however, it seems his curiosity towards the realm that lay even further beyond him won out.

Speaking of the manga, I want to ask you two about how you put the manga together. I hear Toriyama-sensei checks the storyboards for each chapter.
Toriyama:
That's right.

Toyotarō:
Since Chapter 1 I've used Toriyama-sensei's plot as a basis, but have been allowed to expand on it.

Toriyama:
It's better that way.

Super Saiyan God being exclusive to a ritual remains true in Battle of Gods & Dragon Ball Super's anime continuity. Guidelines weren't broken when Toyotaro's story handled the process differently. His usage of the transformation is cited as strange in-universe, too. Attention is called towards it when it's used against Hit & Future Trunks. It's deliberately called out in its script. You're misquoting him, too. He claims to never deviate from the main plotlines but that doesn't stop him from expanding the ideas presented on the outline he uses. The "truth" you're referring to has been shared with the public: Toriyama is only particular about certain details. He deliberately allows the anime & manga continuities to be creative with his story. Nobody is asking specific questions because the purpose of his vagueness is intended to allow others to craft their own interpretations freely. There's artistic pride encouraged through those implications.

It sounds like you have a pretty close working relationship with Akira Toriyama. He gives you the outline and you make changes. What is the most interesting thing about working with him?

Every month, I'll create a storyboard for him to review, and then he'll give me input and suggest changes. When I'm working with Toriyama, there are many portions he gives me props for coming up with, but he is very particular about other things and always points them out for me to correct. And when he corrects me, I think “Wow, I guess I don't completely understand the way he looks at things,” so his corrections and feedback are incredibly accurate and helpful. It's a lot of fun to be able to get closer to his way of thinking.

What surprised you the most about working with him?

First of all, to be honest, I'm surprised that he's okay with someone like me carrying on his work! The other thing…I thought Toriyama would be more particular about the story, but he's actually more particular about the gags and the comedic moments! I can tell that he really loves those parts.

There's nothing wrong with that. We're free to question the execution of each continuity presented to us. But there's nothing inherently wrong with how the storytelling production is being handled. That's the purpose of this experiment: creating their own tale. I find it odd that we discuss an outline we're not allowed to see so much. No one here knows what it says! A fair comparison to characters that aren't public cannot be executed & I think it shouldn't be worried about at all. The audience is meant to consume what's put out there. I feel as if your criticisms are misplaced. They can be valid, don't misunderstand, but I think you're misapplying your energy towards the wrong elements. You're expecting something that wasn't advertised to begin with. Judge the manga continuity by what it's establishing within itself instead of what's established in Toriyama's films & Dragon Ball Super's anime continuity. You'll free yourself of thinking somebody did "something wrong" that way.

[MyNiggaGoku]

Judge the manga continuity by what it's establishing within itself instead of what's established in Toriyama's films & Dragon Ball Super's anime continuity. You'll free yourself of thinking somebody did "something wrong" that way.

Couldn't agree more.Whatever happens in the Super manga is to be taken seriously only in the manga.The only outside source I would actually try to fit in the manga's continuity is the RoF movie because we don't have Toyotaro's adaptation of the events.However I am not sure the movie or even the anime version can fit in the manga's continuity because in these versions Goku has God absorbed in his base while in Toyotaro's manga he has SSG as a tranformation.

[emperior]

First of all, thanks Nejishiki for the long informative post. You are totally right about the manga continuity being self contained (and it's actually very coherent between itself, I give props to Toyotaro for that)

Even though I would have made some things different and it's also true that Toyotaro's manga isn't bullshit free, like SSJ Vegeta not able to lift Magetta's weight of 1000+ tons which sparked some controversy (it was quite an amateurish error, he could have avoided it just by stating Metal Men are extremely heavy without stating how much) also the drawback of SS Blue to make Vegeta 1/10 of Goku could have probably been done differently. Also looks like Toyotaro also made mistakes regarding power levels judging by last chapter, which he could have avoided. Though the anime is probably even worse about power levels.

I don't like the fact Toriyama writes a rough plot just because he wants to see Toei and Toyotaro take on it. Imagine how different Namek arc (specifically Freezer's fights) would have been if Toei made it basing only on these points:
- Freezer is evil and can transform 4 times
- Gohan and Krillin fight him with no success even though Gohan rages and hurts Freezer. Krillin slices Freezer's tail
- Piccolo fuses with Nail but still loses to Freezer
- Vegeta abuses Saiyan power increase after near death experiences by getting himself hit by Vegeta and then healed by Dende
- Freezer kills Dende
- Vegeta is worthless in front of Freezer's last form
- Goku arrives and finds Vegeta almost dead. Freezer kills Vegeta
- Goku with Kaio Ken x20 isn't enough for Freezer, tries Genkidama but still doesn't kill Freezer who attacks Goku who gets shielded by Piccolo then kills Krillin and Goku rages and goes Super Saiyan
- Goku beats Freezer who slices himself with his own Kienzan. Goku gives Freezer a little of his energy but Freezer uses it to try and kill Goku who responds with a Ki blast finishing him


Now I purposefully omitted some events to make it as rough as possible. It would be different but I imagine Zamasu arc script by Toriyama looked more or less like this.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

The cover of Volume 1 of Viz's DBS is out.
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[The gr]

The cover of Volume 1 of Viz's DBS is out.
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I'm looking forward to buying dragon Ball super manga volume 1 but can anyone tell me the released date of it

[Jinzoningen MULE]

The cover of Volume 1 of Viz's DBS is out.
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I'm looking forward to buying dragon Ball super manga volume 1 but can anyone tell me the released date of it

May 2nd, if I remember correctly.

[micah007]

I like the manga but I wish it had more detailed art. Toyo is doing his job well but I'd pay to see this style for a chapter or two by the below artist.

https://twitter.com/youngjijii/status/7 ... 9528462336

[Jinzoningen MULE]

I like the manga but I wish it had more detailed art. Toyo is doing his job well but I'd pay to see this style for a chapter or two by the below artist.

https://twitter.com/youngjijii/status/7 ... 9528462336

Jijii is definitely more talented than Toyble was. Jijii's translated fan manga was being sold on Amazon for a while, if you can find one on ebay, I encourage everyone to buy a volume. While he has his weaknesses, he's superior to Toyotaro in almost every way, including his storytelling. The only arguable advantage of Toyotaro is in his fighting panels, but even that is more of a stylistic preference.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

Ehh not a fan of Jiji's art tbh much prefer Toyo's work in that above example.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

Ehh not a fan of Jiji's art tbh much prefer Toyo's work in that above example.

That wasn't the best example, since Jijii was using Toyotaro's work as a base. Jijii is a much better Toriyama imitation than Toyotaro.

[Bansho64]

Jijii is definitely more talented than Toyble was. Jijii's translated fan manga was being sold on Amazon for a while, if you can find one on ebay, I encourage everyone to buy a volume. While he has his weaknesses, he's superior to Toyotaro in almost every way, including his storytelling. The only arguable advantage of Toyotaro is in his fighting panels, but even that is more of a stylistic preference.

Yeah, if Jijii did Super.....man. That would be amazing.

[Ki Breaker]

Never heard of Jijii, but from what I saw from my research, he seems pretty capable..
Well Toyotaro is doing a good job in super anyway, no use thinking it could be much better if another artist did it, it's plenty good even with the rushed schedule..