"Dragon Ball Super" FUNimation Dub Official Discussion Thread

[rs_chaosmaster]

Jesus, what is the point of arguing over the dub? If you don't want to watch it then don't, what is the big deal?

That is, literally, what I'm saying.

That's actually not what you're saying. You're actually going out of your way to start trouble by trying (and failing, I might add) to discredit negative opinions of the dub by calling them arrogant. I'm perfectly content if anyone likes the dub, that's not even in contention. What's happening here is you starting trouble by overreacting to your paranoid, projection-driven caricature of a harmless opinion.

Actually the person did try to start something by coming into a forum that is meant for Dubbed dragon ball super. If he doesn't like it that is fine but saying it is awful in a forum specifically meant for dubbed fans who more than likely all like the show dubbed is arrogant. No other way to put it, now if this was a sub vs dub discussion thread then you would have a point. :/

[Scsigs]

That is, literally, what I'm saying.

That's actually not what you're saying. You're actually going out of your way to start trouble by trying (and failing, I might add) to discredit negative opinions of the dub by calling them arrogant. I'm perfectly content if anyone likes the dub, that's not even in contention. What's happening here is you starting trouble by overreacting to your paranoid, projection-driven caricature of a harmless opinion.

Actually the person did try to start something by coming into a forum that is meant for Dubbed dragon ball super. If he doesn't like it that is fine but saying it is awful in a forum specifically meant for dubbed fans who more than likely all like the show dubbed is arrogant. No other way to put it, now if this was a sub vs dub discussion thread then you would have a point. :/

Just going to say thank you. I was going to bring that up, but I forgot.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

If he doesn't like it that is fine but saying it is awful in a forum specifically meant for dubbed fans who more than likely all like the show dubbed is arrogant.

It's not arrogant at all, this isn't a safe space for people who have nothing but praise for the dub, that would be idiotic. Like with the other guy, it's pretty arrogant of you to think that detraction is a form of arrogance. Not only arrogant, but a grossly misinformed arrogance, the most infuriating kind. If you want a thread that's an uber-duber happy positive club, make that the premise of the conversation. This isn't the place for that, this is a place for discussion of the dub in general, but specifically new aspects of it. Honestly, the total rejection of detraction as a premise that some of you have may just be the most regressive attitude I've run into in a long time, and I've been to college.

[rs_chaosmaster]

Ok you have an opinion that I sure in heck don't agree with and won't even bother trying to understand. I respect your opinion but it is so wrong, the intent was definitely their if it wasn't he would of gone into the sub vs dub discussion forum which again coming here to cause conflict is arrogance. Because I can't stand Nozawa as Goku you think it is ok for me to say how awful the sub is even though it is a false statement? Nozawa is awful for Goku but surprised for Black, so I enjoyed the Black arc a lot that being said someones opinion does not make anything fact. I can tell from your own statements you too have arrogance that has warped your mind. To the point that you are missing the fact that he clearly intended to cause conflict which is arrogance!!

[rs_chaosmaster]

Also I can be way more subjective and it not sound arrogant here you go. In my opinion Sean Schemmel's Goku is all wrong because he doesn't sound like a hick or man child like Toriyama originaly intended from his manga. Also Chris Sabat is not a good Vegeta because he does not have the pride inflection in his voice like Ryō Horikawa. Now if he had said that instead of oh Sabat and Schemmel are awful as Goku, Vegeta, and Trunks, I would of said oh ok he doesn't like the interpretation of the US Actors for these characters. Just saying they are terrible without justification in a forum for Dubbed Super is arrogant!!

[Scsigs]

Just gonna put the definition of "arrogance" here, as defined by Merriam Webster.

"An attitude of superiority manifested in an overbearing manner or in presumptuous claims or assumptions."

I was, personally, not trying to be arrogant & saying I was being regressive in saying dubs have the right to exist, & be the best they can btw, is just arrogance.

The assumption/claim: the original version is how something is to be seen. While a case CAN be made for every piece of media, if someone has a preference, there's no stopping them. Ask any original Z dub fans what's better, Z, or Kai's dub & you'll see what I mean. Also in a sub vs dub debate, again, claims can be made for both why the other's better, but everyone's going to have their preference. That's what I was arguing. If anything, that person has the regressive attitude, not me, or the other dude that's responded. You're being obstinate, Jinzoningen MULE. I kind of am too, but I'm defending myself here.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

Because I can't stand Nozawa as Goku you think it is ok for me to say how awful the sub is even though it is a false statement?

See, actually, that's the difference between me and your camp. If you say the subbed version is bad, I won't agree, but I'm not going to try to discredit you by using buzz-words, which seems to be a popular way to unjustifiably write people off nowadays. I won't try to police you, I evolved passed that way of thinking ages ago. It's actually so far below me, if I tried to spit at such an invalid, underhanded tactic, it would freeze. You guys are the ones who can't handle detraction, and it shows, and it's hilarious that I even have to respond to you.

=While a case CAN be made for every piece of media, if someone has a preference, there's no stopping them.

I wasn't talking to you anymore, I thought we had dropped it but that's fine. Although I think this phrase perfectly exemplifies that you weren't following the previous conversation at all.

[Noah]

I think people are so used to Super!Goku in the sub being a brainless moron who doesnt care about anything, that any indictation of him wanting to help and protect his family in the dub makes them triggered.

I don't think is that bad Goku expressing in this dub that he trains to protect his loved ones instead of just saying that is because of his fighting boner (may well include both). As a matter of fact I disliked Toriyama reveal that Goku see his family as just friends, so in my headcanon Goku has a bit of heroism and cares much for his family.

[Simere]

Because I can't stand Nozawa as Goku you think it is ok for me to say how awful the sub is even though it is a false statement?

See, actually, that's the difference between me and your camp. If you say the subbed version is bad, I won't agree, but I'm not going to try to discredit you by using buzz-words, which seems to be a popular way to unjustifiably write people off nowadays. I won't try to police you, I evolved passed that way of thinking ages ago. It's actually so far below me, if I tried to spit at such an invalid, underhanded tactic, it would freeze. You guys are the ones who can't handle detraction, and it shows, and it's hilarious that I even have to respond to you.

Jinzoningen MULE going out of their way to provide us a clear example of arrogance.

[rs_chaosmaster]

Because I can't stand Nozawa as Goku you think it is ok for me to say how awful the sub is even though it is a false statement?

See, actually, that's the difference between me and your camp. If you say the subbed version is bad, I won't agree, but I'm not going to try to discredit you by using buzz-words, which seems to be a popular way to unjustifiably write people off nowadays. I won't try to police you, I evolved passed that way of thinking ages ago. It's actually so far below me, if I tried to spit at such an invalid, underhanded tactic, it would freeze. You guys are the ones who can't handle detraction, and it shows, and it's hilarious that I even have to respond to you.

=While a case CAN be made for every piece of media, if someone has a preference, there's no stopping them.

I wasn't talking to you anymore, I thought we had dropped it but that's fine. Although I think this phrase perfectly exemplifies that you weren't following the previous conversation at all.

I highly doubt that i will have many people including you asking me for a reason why I think the subbed version of Goku is awful. Of course if i write an opinion based statement i am going to tell you why i don't like something or someone not just say they are terrible just because. That is what someone who has a college education does justify his/her opinion with reasons. The intent was their to cause controversy by the way this person made his statement how you can even attempt to defend him is beyond me :/

[Jinzoningen MULE]

Because I can't stand Nozawa as Goku you think it is ok for me to say how awful the sub is even though it is a false statement?

See, actually, that's the difference between me and your camp. If you say the subbed version is bad, I won't agree, but I'm not going to try to discredit you by using buzz-words, which seems to be a popular way to unjustifiably write people off nowadays. I won't try to police you, I evolved passed that way of thinking ages ago. It's actually so far below me, if I tried to spit at such an invalid, underhanded tactic, it would freeze. You guys are the ones who can't handle detraction, and it shows, and it's hilarious that I even have to respond to you.

Jinzoningen MULE going out of their way to provide us a clear example of arrogance.

It's not arrogance when I specifically and successfully point out why their comments are wrong and detestable.

I'm done either way, because I'm typing at a brick wall.

[rs_chaosmaster]

Ok you have an opinion that I sure in heck don't agree with and won't even bother trying to understand. I respect your opinion but it is so wrong, the intent was definitely their if it wasn't he would of gone into the sub vs dub discussion forum which again coming here to cause conflict is arrogance. Because I can't stand Nozawa as Goku you think it is ok for me to say how awful the sub is even though it is a false statement? Nozawa is awful for Goku but she surprised me with how well she did Black, so I enjoyed the Black arc a lot that being said someones opinion does not make anything fact. I can tell from your own statements you too have arrogance that has warped your mind. To the point that you are missing the fact that he clearly intended to cause conflict which is arrogance!!

[Scsigs]

I think people are so used to Super!Goku in the sub being a brainless moron who doesnt care about anything, that any indictation of him wanting to help and protect his family in the dub makes them triggered.

I don't think is that bad Goku expressing in this dub that he trains to protect his loved ones instead of just saying that is because of his fighting boner (may well include both). As a matter of fact I disliked Toriyama reveal that Goku see his family as just friends, so in my headcanon Goku has a bit of heroism and cares much for his family.

Yeah, the dub trying to find the middle ground between Goku's personality shift between the family man & the fighter is one that I think is admirable. They did the same thing in some ways in the Buu Saga Kai dub from what I've heard. Plus, I don't know if Schemmel will let them script it any other way. A lot of fans have problems with his personality shifts & this might be an author's saving throw of sorts.

[Scsigs]

=While a case CAN be made for every piece of media, if someone has a preference, there's no stopping them.

I wasn't talking to you anymore, I thought we had dropped it but that's fine. Although I think this phrase perfectly exemplifies that you weren't following the previous conversation at all.

The thing though is that, while he was expressing his opinion, he worded his post as if no one else's mattered. That, my dear other commenter, is arrogance.
Oh, &, I followed the last conversation pretty well. I just don't like people misunderstanding my words. Ok?

[Jinzoningen MULE]

The thing though is that, while he was expressing his opinion, he worded his post as if no one else's mattered. That, my dear other commenter, is arrogance.

Do you expect him to follow it up with "... but that's totally just my opinion and it's definitely not the only one that matters so don't police me pls!"? That's a really dumb thing to expect. You want someone to be hyper-literal with their language to cater to your feelings, that's just not how English works. If someone is participating in a conversation, you don't have to explicitly weigh how much another person's opinion matters, especially not overtly. That's called insecurity.

[rs_chaosmaster]

[quote=""Scsigs"]The thing though is that, while he was expressing his opinion, he worded his post as if no one else's mattered. That, my dear other commenter, is arrogance.

Do you expect him to follow it up with "... but that's totally just my opinion and it's definitely not the only one that matters so don't police me pls!"? That's a really dumb thing to expect. You want someone to be hyper-literal with their language to cater to your feelings, that's just not how English works. If someone is participating in a conversation, you don't have to explicitly weigh how much another person's opinion matters, especially not overtly. That's called insecurity.[/quote]

Hmm well I guess i just respect the entire fanbase too much, you justify the statement however you want Jin I would never say one is worse than the other as it is all Dragonball although i still don't like Nozawa as Goku in my opinion but she is far from terrible. I still don't agree with your opinion but i made that clear a while back.

[Dbzfan94]

I think people are so used to Super!Goku in the sub being a brainless moron who doesnt care about anything, that any indictation of him wanting to help and protect his family in the dub makes them triggered.

I don't think is that bad Goku expressing in this dub that he trains to protect his loved ones instead of just saying that is because of his fighting boner (may well include both). As a matter of fact I disliked Toriyama reveal that Goku see his family as just friends, so in my headcanon Goku has a bit of heroism and cares much for his family.

Yeah I don't like that reveal either. I'm with you there

[Scsigs]

The thing though is that, while he was expressing his opinion, he worded his post as if no one else's mattered. That, my dear other commenter, is arrogance.

Do you expect him to follow it up with "... but that's totally just my opinion and it's definitely not the only one that matters so don't police me pls!"? That's a really dumb thing to expect. You want someone to be hyper-literal with their language to cater to your feelings, that's just not how English works. If someone is participating in a conversation, you don't have to explicitly weigh how much another person's opinion matters, especially not overtly. That's called insecurity.

No, I don't expect that at all. However, people should keep an open mind when talking about this kind of stuff. Fandoms are vast. Saying that the Japanese language audio is the only way/the preferred way to watch something for everyone, or at least hinting at that, is just ludicrous. We're devolving into an argument over semantics now. I'm done. If you're not going to see why I'm doing anything I'm doing here, there's no point. I was just pointing out the arrogance I saw in a random post in a random forum & now it's spread to an over 2-page argument over goddamn semantics. YOU are the brick wall here.

He said the dub actors sucked as the characters even though they've definitely improved over the last over a decade of voicing them, getting great direction, & finally great scripts to show their range, he said the only way to watch something is in its original language, he DID say "in [his] opinion," but there's a subtext of how he just hates dubs in there. Again, I may be reading a little too much into things, but anyone could see that. You're the one who's blown this out of proportion & dragged it out. I didn't help matters, admittedly, but I at least tried to end this earlier.

I'm done. See my point, continue to not, or whatever you're going to do, I'm done with this. Bye.

[Dbzfan94]

I dread this dub! Schemells's Goku is all wrong and Sabat's Vegeta and Piccolo are just terrible!

There being no dub so far, has resulted in a lot of people watching the original Japanese version and that's the way things are meant to be watched, in my opinion. In their original language and form.

I dread reading comments like these

[Scsigs]

I dread this dub! Schemells's Goku is all wrong and Sabat's Vegeta and Piccolo are just terrible!

There being no dub so far, has resulted in a lot of people watching the original Japanese version and that's the way things are meant to be watched, in my opinion. In their original language and form.

I dread reading comments like these

Right?