"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

[Jinzoningen MULE]

The boo saga art style has a more angular touch which I prefer. I don't like how everything is so round in the saiyan saga.

By the Saiyan Arc, the series had already shifted to an angular look. The signature difference is that Toriyama overdid the line work, creating characters with worse proportions, while also compromising the visual sense of speed. Even if you really like an angular style, it still doesn't really make sense. Why specifically do you like that era? Is it the designs of te characters themselves? I'm genuinely curious.

[kinisking]

The boo saga art style has a more angular touch which I prefer. I don't like how everything is so round in the saiyan saga.

By the Saiyan Arc, the series had already shifted to an angular look. The signature difference is that Toriyama overdid the line work, creating characters with worse proportions, while also compromising the visual sense of speed. Even if you really like an angular style, it still doesn't really make sense. Why specifically do you like that era? Is it the designs of te characters themselves? I'm genuinely curious.

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Boo Saga's eyes and jawline are more angular, bigger iris's, the body looks better (Pecs and neck look much better imo),wrinkles around lips . Vegeta looks like a teen at top, and an adult at bottom.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

The boo saga art style has a more angular touch which I prefer. I don't like how everything is so round in the saiyan saga.

By the Saiyan Arc, the series had already shifted to an angular look. The signature difference is that Toriyama overdid the line work, creating characters with worse proportions, while also compromising the visual sense of speed. Even if you really like an angular style, it still doesn't really make sense. Why specifically do you like that era? Is it the designs of te characters themselves? I'm genuinely curious.

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Boo Saga's eyes and jawline are more angular, bigger iris's, the body looks better (Pecs and neck look much better imo),wrinkles around lips (could be an age thing though). Vegeta looks like a teen at top, and an adult at bottom.

Were you talking about the anime's art the whole time? Fair, we miscommunicated, but why are you comparing the drawings of the show to that of a comic? It's a totally different process. The only similarity is that they're both drawings, really.

[Noah]

I like the manga but I wish it had more detailed art. Toyo is doing his job well but I'd pay to see this style for a chapter or two by the below artist.

https://twitter.com/youngjijii/status/7 ... 9528462336

I love the way he draws ssb aura is so detailed

It's based off of the Super Saiyan aura of the early Android Arc, which was my favorite iteration, although it is a bit more curvy. Maybe once they toss Toyotaro aside, we'll get some interesting official material from Jijii. Not that I want Toyotaro gone yet, because I like the work he's doing for now.

I like the way he draw SSJB Vegeta specially the hair as this form is supposed to be calm transformation combining aspects of a SSJ and SSJG it should not have SSJ2's spiky hair like Toyotaro's.

[kinisking]

By the Saiyan Arc, the series had already shifted to an angular look. The signature difference is that Toriyama overdid the line work, creating characters with worse proportions, while also compromising the visual sense of speed. Even if you really like an angular style, it still doesn't really make sense. Why specifically do you like that era? Is it the designs of te characters themselves? I'm genuinely curious.

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Boo Saga's eyes and jawline are more angular, bigger iris's, the body looks better (Pecs and neck look much better imo),wrinkles around lips (could be an age thing though). Vegeta looks like a teen at top, and an adult at bottom.

Were you talking about the anime's art the whole time? Fair, we miscommunicated, but why are you comparing the drawings of the show to that of a comic? It's a totally different process. The only similarity is that they're both drawings, really.

I just chose those pictures because the anime popped up first in google images. Aren't all my points valid when comparing it to the manga though? Yeah, the anime is slightly different from the manga but I think those changes happened to the manga also.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

Aren't all my points valid when comparing it to the manga though? Yeah, the anime is slightly different from the manga but I think those changes happened to the manga also.

The art style of the two versions didn't evolve at the exact same rate. The Saiyan Arc of the manga is more angular than its anime counterpart, and the Boo Arc of the anime looks much better than the Boo Arc of the manga. If we're talking about one version of DB, it's not particularly helpful to compare aspects of the other version.

[kinisking]

Aren't all my points valid when comparing it to the manga though? Yeah, the anime is slightly different from the manga but I think those changes happened to the manga also.

The art style of the two versions didn't evolve at the exact same rate. The Saiyan Arc of the manga is more angular than its anime counterpart, and the Boo Arc of the anime looks much better than the Boo Arc of the manga. If we're talking about one version of DB, it's not particularly helpful to compare aspects of the other version.

I'll admit, when I think of the art style of the time I usually think of the anime. I went back though and looked at the Manga versions and I still prefer the boo saga. Although it seems that the Saiyan saga in the Manga also has defined jaw lines, the other aspects I mentioned still make the boo saga look better. The Saiyan saga is more consistent, but when the boo saga looks good it looks really good. I've never been that great at articulating the difference in art styles though. I wish I could answer your questions better.

[batistabus]

I like the manga but I wish it had more detailed art. Toyo is doing his job well but I'd pay to see this style for a chapter or two by the below artist.
https://twitter.com/youngjijii/status/7 ... 9528462336

Jiji does a good job with this, but you have to understand the difference here. Toyotaro had to fill in the blanks of Toriyama's outline, create dialogue, choreograph fights, compose each panel, draw and shade everything for this whole chapter from scratch...with a deadline. A lot of work goes into making manga that gets taken for granted. Jiji copied a few pages and put his own spin on it, which is fine for a fan project, but I don't like when things like this are used to show that one artist is better than another. Not that you're doing that, but I've seen people make that point using these images before.

All things considered, I still prefer Toyotaro's take.

[micah007]

I like the manga but I wish it had more detailed art. Toyo is doing his job well but I'd pay to see this style for a chapter or two by the below artist.
https://twitter.com/youngjijii/status/7 ... 9528462336

Jiji does a good job with this, but you have to understand the difference here. Toyotaro had to fill in the blanks of Toriyama's outline, create dialogue, choreograph fights, compose each panel, draw and shade everything for this whole chapter from scratch...with a deadline. A lot of work goes into making manga that gets taken for granted. Jiji copied a few pages and put his own spin on it, which is fine for a fan project, but I don't like when things like this are used to show that one artist is better than another. Not that you're doing that, but I've seen people make that point using these images before.

All things considered, I still prefer Toyotaro's take.

I understand that, Toyo doesn't have the luxury of leisure and I do respect what he puts into the manga as it is.

[Amplifymagic]

I love Young Jiji but I don't think he can compare to the Toyotaro's style.
Jiji is good if you want a nostalgic 90's look with don't mind his massive foreheads.
Toyo excels at the fact that his style can look almost identical to Toriyama himself and yet still have a distinct touch that you can identify as progressive and a unique design.
Not to mention his reaction faces are impeccable and captivate the best of each characters' personas and emotions perfectly.

[emperior]

I love Young Jiji but I don't think he can compare to the Toyotaro's style.
Jiji is good if you want a nostalgic 90's look with don't mind his massive foreheads.
Toyo excels at the fact that his style can look almost identical to Toriyama himself and yet still have a distinct touch that you can identify as progressive and a unique design.
Not to mention his reaction faces are impeccable and captivate the best of each characters' personas and emotions perfectly.

I also think Toyotaro is much more capable at gags than Young Jijii, or at least he is better at doing funny faces and gag panels.

Though I don't really like his Black sometimes, his face looks "off"
Definitely prefer how Jijii draws Black by a long shot.

[TKA]

It's an insane notion to compare a fan manga to a serialized work. The former has infinite time to be made, while serialization comes with deadlines. Completely unfair comparing Toyotarou with that guy, given the circumstances (deadline + the fact that it's 40 pages a month + the fact that Toyotarou is also working on other shit). Come on, people.

[Ajay]

It's an insane notion to compare a fan manga to a serialized work. The former has infinite time to be made, while serialization comes with deadlines. Completely unfair comparing Toyotarou with that guy, given the circumstances (deadline + the fact that it's 40 pages a month + the fact that Toyotarou is also working on other shit). Come on, people.

While true, even back when Toyotaro was making fan manga with infinite time as Toyble, Jijii was still a significantly better artist. Many of the issues that plagued his work back then are still present today -- one being head placement in certain poses, for example.

[TKA]

While true, even back when Toyotaro was making fan manga with infinite time as Toyble, Jijii was still a significantly better artist. Many of the issues that plagued his work back then are still present today -- one being head placement in certain poses, for example.

What makes him better, exactly? I'm curious. Which metrics do you use to determine this? Because they might be significantly different from mine.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

What makes him better, exactly? I'm curious. Which metrics do you use to determine this? Because they might be significantly different from mine.

He's been releasing his own fan manga in physical format for years. I recommend you keep an eye out, buy one if you find it for cheap. It's fun to compare his work to Toyotaro's old and new comics, as well as Toriyama's work. I feel you'd agree that Jijii's work is better than Toyble's. However, the translated volumes seem to have been discontinued, probably for legal reasons, so good luck finding a copy at a reasonable price.

[Kanassa]

What makes him better, exactly? I'm curious. Which metrics do you use to determine this? Because they might be significantly different from mine.

He's been releasing his own fan manga in physical format for years. I recommend you keep an eye out, buy one if you find it for cheap. It's fun to compare his work to Toyotaro's old and new comics, as well as Toriyama's work. I feel you'd agree that Jijii's work is better than Toyble's. However, the translated volumes seem to have been discontinued, probably for legal reasons, so good luck finding a copy at a reasonable price.

Is that not illegal? Or do Japanese laws on copyright work differently?

[Theophrastus]

-Viz Volume 1 cover-

- I don't like the new logo. What's the problem of using a japanese word on the cover of a japanese product?!
- The back cover look cool, but if that means we don't get the rest of Toyotaro's cover art it's a no from me. Unless they put it inside.
- While this one is not Viz fault, I'm still disappointed they didn't bother to ask Toyotaro to draw one final chapter to wrap up his ROF version and include it here. One monthly size chapter was enough to do the job and with that the transition between arcs would be much better.

-Japanese sales-

I was curious about Volume 2 sales, so I just made a quick research and looks like Volume 2 sold more than Volume 1.

Volume 1
Estimate total copies: 30,361

Volume 2
Estimate total copies: 96,274

The numbers are low, but since this is just a promotional manga it would be more fair comparing to other promotional mangas.
Skip arcs, rush stuff, and sometimes have the anime ahead won't do anything good for the sales.

Let's see if Volume 3 breaks the 100k barrier. FT Trunks and Black are the hype!

Oh hey, a related post I can piggyback off of. Volume 2 is actually up to 151,433 copies sold now, as of the latest Oricon sales chart release.

[TKA]

He's been releasing his own fan manga in physical format for years. I recommend you keep an eye out, buy one if you find it for cheap. It's fun to compare his work to Toyotaro's old and new comics, as well as Toriyama's work. I feel you'd agree that Jijii's work is better than Toyble's. However, the translated volumes seem to have been discontinued, probably for legal reasons, so good luck finding a copy at a reasonable price.

No thank you.

[Lord Beerus]

-Viz Volume 1 cover-

- I don't like the new logo. What's the problem of using a japanese word on the cover of a japanese product?!
- The back cover look cool, but if that means we don't get the rest of Toyotaro's cover art it's a no from me. Unless they put it inside.
- While this one is not Viz fault, I'm still disappointed they didn't bother to ask Toyotaro to draw one final chapter to wrap up his ROF version and include it here. One monthly size chapter was enough to do the job and with that the transition between arcs would be much better.

-Japanese sales-

I was curious about Volume 2 sales, so I just made a quick research and looks like Volume 2 sold more than Volume 1.

Volume 1
Estimate total copies: 30,361

Volume 2
Estimate total copies: 96,274

The numbers are low, but since this is just a promotional manga it would be more fair comparing to other promotional mangas.
Skip arcs, rush stuff, and sometimes have the anime ahead won't do anything good for the sales.

Let's see if Volume 3 breaks the 100k barrier. FT Trunks and Black are the hype!

Oh hey, a related post I can piggyback off of. Volume 2 is actually up to 151,433 copies sold now, as of the latest Oricon sales chart release.

Wow. Those sale are incredible. Toyotaro deserves all the credit for this. The manga is really good.

[The gr]

-Viz Volume 1 cover-

- I don't like the new logo. What's the problem of using a japanese word on the cover of a japanese product?!
- The back cover look cool, but if that means we don't get the rest of Toyotaro's cover art it's a no from me. Unless they put it inside.
- While this one is not Viz fault, I'm still disappointed they didn't bother to ask Toyotaro to draw one final chapter to wrap up his ROF version and include it here. One monthly size chapter was enough to do the job and with that the transition between arcs would be much better.

-Japanese sales-

I was curious about Volume 2 sales, so I just made a quick research and looks like Volume 2 sold more than Volume 1.

Volume 1
Estimate total copies: 30,361

Volume 2
Estimate total copies: 96,274

The numbers are low, but since this is just a promotional manga it would be more fair comparing to other promotional mangas.
Skip arcs, rush stuff, and sometimes have the anime ahead won't do anything good for the sales.

Let's see if Volume 3 breaks the 100k barrier. FT Trunks and Black are the hype!

Oh hey, a related post I can piggyback off of. Volume 2 is actually up to 151,433 copies sold now, as of the latest Oricon sales chart release.

Wow. Those sale are incredible. Toyotaro deserves all the credit for this. The manga is really good.

damn I'm really impressed by this I never expected that volume to sell so well.toyotaro despite having Flaws with the ft arc deserve all of this