"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[Baggie_Saiyan]

So this death tournament is all Goku's fault? Wow. I don't like that. I don't like that at all.

No it's not. All he wants is that tournament Zen-Oh promised and Zen-Oh didn't initially say anything about Universe Destruction it's not like he knew of this prior.

[namekiansaiyan]

You mean when Toriyama reaches the next possible level of laziness.

Been that way since Z, so it isn't Toriyama becoming 'lazier'. BTW, that word is used way too often.

Throughout the franchise the amount of characters that are 'not relevant" seems to increase as the series goes on. In other words he can't be bothered to think of ways to make the characters useful so drops them.

[Yedis]

So this death tournament is all Goku's fault? Wow. I don't like that. I don't like that at all.

I thought it was Beerus and Champa's fault because Zeno didn't even think about holding such a tournament until he saw the tournament between U6 and U7?

Edit: I just read from the Herms translation that everyone forget about it, until Goku brought it back up

[Neon Z]

People talking about Tenshinhan vs Kuririn and don't even mention the fact that this article suggests Kuririn, Tenshinhan and Roshi are all stronger than Goten and Trunks? They're specifically said to be the 10 strongest ones from Earth.

[HeroR]

Throughout the franchise the amount of characters that are 'not relevant" seems to increase as the series goes on. In other words he can't be bothered to think of ways to make the characters useful so drops them.

That's becomes Toriyama moves on from characters once he's done with them. It has been that way since forever. The entire human cast got dumped in favor of the likes of Piccolo, Gohan, Vegeta, and later Goten and Trunks. Toriyama has actually been using the cast more often overall since Piccolo has yet to go the way of Tien.

So it isn't him being 'lazy'. It him deciding who he wants to used to advance his story. If that character isn't it, down the tubes you go. Which is fine since trying to make every character important gets you one of the problems with One Piece during the Dressrosa Saga. Everyone had to fight no matter how small, which stalled the main story.

[Kanassa]

Which is fine since trying to make every character important gets you one of the problems with One Piece during the Dressrosa Saga. Everyone had to fight no matter how small, which stalled the main story.

That probably wouldn't of been a problem if One Piece didn't have a nasty habbit of making fights 50% flashbacks after the time skip

[HeroR]

Which is fine since trying to make every character important gets you one of the problems with One Piece during the Dressrosa Saga. Everyone had to fight no matter how small, which stalled the main story.

That probably wouldn't of been a problem if One Piece didn't have a nasty habbit of making fights 50% flashbacks after the time skip

Can't say I hate that since the flashbacks are honestly the best part of One Piece. Also, flashbacks in the middle of a fight are common. It happened with Sanji, Robin, Franky to an extent, Brook to a degree, several characters at Marineford, ect. Dressrosa just took it to new level of absurdity, although I would be lying if I say I didn't love Law, Rebecca, Kyros, and Dobby's flashbacks. It was really the fights, to me, that dragged on too long. Which wouldn't be a problem in of itself if there weren't dozens of fights happening at once.

[Kanassa]

Which is fine since trying to make every character important gets you one of the problems with One Piece during the Dressrosa Saga. Everyone had to fight no matter how small, which stalled the main story.

That probably wouldn't of been a problem if One Piece didn't have a nasty habbit of making fights 50% flashbacks after the time skip

Can't say I hate that since the flashbacks are honestly the best part of One Piece. Also, flashbacks in the middle of a fight are common. It happened with Sanji, Robin, Franky to an extent, Brook to a degree, several characters at Marineford, ect. Dressrosa just took it to new level of absurdity, although I would be lying if I say I didn't love Law, Rebecca, Kyros, and Dobby's flashbacks. It were really the fights, to me, that dragged on too long. Which wouldn't be a problem in of itself if there weren't dozens of fights happening at once.

I don't have a problem with the flashbacks themselves, it's just their placements made the fights feel even more dragged out.

[HeroR]

I don't have a problem with the flashbacks themselves, it's just their placements made the fights feel even more dragged out.

Can't disagree with that. Law's flashback in particular stands out along with Kyros.

[TheMikado]

So this death tournament is all Goku's fault? Wow. I don't like that. I don't like that at all.

No it's not. All he wants is that tournament Zen-Oh promised and Zen-Oh didn't initially say anything about Universe Destruction it's not like he knew of this prior.

Whether it's Gokus fault or not, I'm not a particular fan of something he did ALWAYS being the cause of people dying/potentially dying. Since Super started: Fought Beerus at King kais causing him to come to earth, forfeited the tournament, fought Zamasu because Beerus said so. Why does something Goku does ALWAYS have to endanger everyone??

[Doctor.]

So this death tournament is all Goku's fault? Wow. I don't like that. I don't like that at all.

No it's not. All he wants is that tournament Zen-Oh promised and Zen-Oh didn't initially say anything about Universe Destruction it's not like he knew of this prior.

Whether it's Gokus fault or not, I'm not a particular fan of something he did ALWAYS being the cause of people dying/potentially dying. Since Super started: Fought Beerus at King kais causing him to come to earth, forfeited the tournament, fought Zamasu because Beerus said so. Why does something Goku does ALWAYS have to endanger everyone??

Beerus was going to come to Earth regardless of whether Goku fought him or not.

[Kanassa]

So this death tournament is all Goku's fault? Wow. I don't like that. I don't like that at all.

No it's not. All he wants is that tournament Zen-Oh promised and Zen-Oh didn't initially say anything about Universe Destruction it's not like he knew of this prior.

Whether it's Gokus fault or not, I'm not a particular fan of something he did ALWAYS being the cause of people dying/potentially dying. Since Super started: Fought Beerus at King kais causing him to come to earth, forfeited the tournament, fought Zamasu because Beerus said so. Why does something Goku does ALWAYS have to endanger everyone??

Beerus would have come to earth any way since he was looking for Goku and Vegeta. Him forfeiting the tournament didn't endanger anyone, Hit choosing to lose is what got Champa to try and kill them.

[HeroR]

Beerus was going to come to Earth regardless of whether Goku fought him or not.

Also, how did Goku forfeiting against Hit endanger the Earth? The worst thing that would have happened is that Earth would be moved to U6 and bullied by Champa instead of Beerus. And how would Goku supposed to know a simple sparring match would trigged an upcoming Supreme Kai to go off the deep end and steal his body?

[Ki Breaker]

Herms translation says, Goku's "further evolution"..
He trains in ki control and stamina increase with krillin too..
Guys, getting a very strong vibe of something big coming form Goku, perhaps a perfected god form?

[HeroR]

Herms translation says, Goku's "further evolution"..
He trains in ki control and stamina increase with krillin too..
Guys, getting a very strong vibe of something big coming form Goku, perhaps the rumored perfected god form?

What rumored perfect god form?

[Ki Breaker]

Herms translation says, Goku's "further evolution"..
He trains in ki control and stamina increase with krillin too..
Guys, getting a very strong vibe of something big coming form Goku, perhaps the rumored perfected god form?

What rumored perfect god form?

Ya, I should edit that part out, it would give people the wrong idea..
I was talking about the thread that popped out a few days ago stating blue was incomplete form

[namekiansaiyan]

People talking about Tenshinhan vs Kuririn and don't even mention the fact that this article suggests Kuririn, Tenshinhan and Roshi are all stronger than Goten and Trunks? They're specifically said to be the 10 strongest ones from Earth.

This proves why they were included, not enough people cares about them for them to be included.

Throughout the franchise the amount of characters that are 'not relevant" seems to increase as the series goes on. In other words he can't be bothered to think of ways to make the characters useful so drops them.

That's becomes Toriyama moves on from characters once he's done with them. It has been that way since forever. The entire human cast got dumped in favor of the likes of Piccolo, Gohan, Vegeta, and later Goten and Trunks. Toriyama has actually been using the cast more often overall since Piccolo has yet to go the way of Tien.

So it isn't him being 'lazy'. It him deciding who he wants to used to advance his story. If that character isn't it, down the tubes you go. Which is fine since trying to make every character important gets you one of the problems with One Piece during the Dressrosa Saga. Everyone had to fight no matter how small, which stalled the main story.

It depends on what you care about as a fan. I care more about the characters and fights in shonen then I do the story. As long as the story makes sense and is not stupid then I don't care gow good it is. This is why I am excited for the tournament.

[sintzu]

I hope Vegeta doesn't get replaced. I like seeing Vegeta do battle stuff.

Vegeta is too big of a character to take out of the story.

I can see them doing different things with him but he'll always be a main fighter alongside Goku, weather it's during the tournament or against whoever they'll fight in the next arc.

[TheMikado]

Beerus was going to come to Earth regardless of whether Goku fought him or not.

Also, how did Goku forfeiting against Hit endanger the Earth? The worst thing that would have happened is that Earth would be moved to U6 and bullied by Champa instead of Beerus. And how would Goku supposed to know a simple sparring match would trigged an upcoming Supreme Kai to go off the deep end and steal his body?

I'm not really sure what give Goku and co the right to gamble and decide to switch the planet and everyone on it to another universe they really know nothing about it I guess the plot armor will protect them so whatever. I think I clearly stated it doesn't matter if it's Gokus fault or not the point being is that he's always involved and by some action causes the situation they are in. You can talk about Beerus coming to Earth anyway but maybe grovelinf mau have put them on a position where they didn't need to fight him, idk. I'm just merely point out that whatever actions Goku does always ends up with people dying/potentially dying or at best making a big risk that wasn't previously present.

[Draconic]

I swear Dragon Ball is the only series where you see people complain that the main character is involved in the story.