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Can Super Saiyan Hercule get through, the strongest of the strong???
(Rules, Hercule starts off as a super Saiyan, and every time he loses he goes up a level, stops as kaio ken times twenty super Saiyan blue)
Round one; Wherus (fusion of whis and beerus with Kaio ken times twenty)
Round two; Omni King
Round three; Puddin
Round four; Dumplin
Round five; Mr Popo
(SPECIAL ROUND)
special round; Chon Cerris (Fusion of John Cena and Chuck Norris)
Mr. Satan makes it through Beerusis and Omni King without too much trouble and fights Puddin to a draw in his normal form. The Dump Truck ends up being well outside of even Super Satan Blue X20's scope of power, let alone his final and most terrifying form, Mr. Popo. Regular Mr. Satan needs Super Saiyan 2 to beat Chon Cerris, but once he transforms, he wins easily.
Can Super Saiyan Hercule get through, the strongest of the strong???
(Rules, Hercule starts off as a super Saiyan, and every time he loses he goes up a level, stops as kaio ken times twenty super Saiyan blue)
Round one; Wherus (fusion of whis and beerus with Kaio ken times twenty)
Round two; Omni King
Round three; Puddin
Round four; Dumplin
Round five; Mr Popo
(SPECIAL ROUND)
special round; Chon Cerris (Fusion of John Cena and Chuck Norris)
Mr. Satan makes it through Beerusis and Omni King without too much trouble and fights Puddin to a draw in his normal form. The Dump Truck ends up being well outside of even Super Satan Blue X20's scope of power, let alone his final and most terrifying form, Mr. Popo. Regular Mr. Satan needs Super Saiyan 2 to beat Chon Cerris, but once he transforms, he wins easily.
At least someone here understands the champ's full power! Beginning to think I was the only one here
Kame-Tsuru (fusion between Kame Sennin and Tsuru Sennin) vs Daimao?
R1- Old
R2- Young
The two had a very strong rivalry so I'm wondering just how many tiers they could jump as a fusion?
Keep in mind the following:
1. Tenshinhan never went all out against Roshi. Roshi was actually in awe of Goku and Ten's full capabilities.
2. Old Daimao was strong enough to utterly brutalize Goku, without even using half of his power.
3. Full power old Daimao would therefore be twice as strong as that.
4. Young Daimao watched Goku kill Drum with one kick, Drum probably being a little weaker than his 50% old self. Yet even after that amazing feat, he was confident he could kill Goku in five seconds.
5. He was wrong and Goku tossed him around. Yet he was still cocky and simply assumed he only had to power up more.
That's a lot of tiers in between Roshi and Young Daimao, let alone the weaker Crane.
nickzambuto wrote:Kame-Tsuru (fusion between Kame Sennin and Tsuru Sennin) vs Daimao?
R1- Old
R2- Young
The two had a very strong rivalry so I'm wondering just how many tiers they could jump as a fusion?
Keep in mind the following:
1. Tenshinhan never went all out against Roshi. Roshi was actually in awe of Goku and Ten's full capabilities.
2. Old Daimao was strong enough to utterly brutalize Goku, without even using half of his power.
3. Full power old Daimao would therefore be twice as strong as that.
4. Young Daimao watched Goku kill Drum with one kick, Drum probably being a little weaker than his 50% old self. Yet even after that amazing feat, he was confident he could kill Goku in five seconds.
5. He was wrong and Goku tossed him around. Yet he was still cocky and simply assumed he only had to power up more.
That's a lot of tiers in between Roshi and Young Daimao, let alone the weaker Crane.
Roshi has a powerlevel of 100, and I would assume that Kame-Tsuru would be a I don't know? 120, okay is it either fusion dance, or the earrings? Meh I'll say that its the dance.
100 + 120 = 220 X by 10 = 2200
Piccolo daimo = 220. Spit mismatch, stomp Piccolo daimo would be lucky to spit out Piccolo Jr
nickzambuto wrote:Kame-Tsuru (fusion between Kame Sennin and Tsuru Sennin) vs Daimao?
R1- Old
R2- Young
The two had a very strong rivalry so I'm wondering just how many tiers they could jump as a fusion?
Keep in mind the following:
1. Tenshinhan never went all out against Roshi. Roshi was actually in awe of Goku and Ten's full capabilities.
2. Old Daimao was strong enough to utterly brutalize Goku, without even using half of his power.
3. Full power old Daimao would therefore be twice as strong as that.
4. Young Daimao watched Goku kill Drum with one kick, Drum probably being a little weaker than his 50% old self. Yet even after that amazing feat, he was confident he could kill Goku in five seconds.
5. He was wrong and Goku tossed him around. Yet he was still cocky and simply assumed he only had to power up more.
That's a lot of tiers in between Roshi and Young Daimao, let alone the weaker Crane.
I guess the chain would be Tsuru < Roshi < Tien/Goku < Drum < Old Piccolo << Young Piccolo
I have Tsuru at 130, and Roshi at 139 (like stated in DBZ). Goku and Tien I would have them at 145, Drum at 160, Old Piccolo at 180 and Young Piccolo at 210-220.
Even with the fusion dance, I have them winning the match. The fusion dance I have (x+y)*5, so 130+139 = 269, and 269*5 = 1345. They would be able to defeat Raditz or a Saibaman.
nickzambuto wrote:Kame-Tsuru (fusion between Kame Sennin and Tsuru Sennin) vs Daimao?
R1- Old
R2- Young
The two had a very strong rivalry so I'm wondering just how many tiers they could jump as a fusion?
Keep in mind the following:
1. Tenshinhan never went all out against Roshi. Roshi was actually in awe of Goku and Ten's full capabilities.
2. Old Daimao was strong enough to utterly brutalize Goku, without even using half of his power.
3. Full power old Daimao would therefore be twice as strong as that.
4. Young Daimao watched Goku kill Drum with one kick, Drum probably being a little weaker than his 50% old self. Yet even after that amazing feat, he was confident he could kill Goku in five seconds.
5. He was wrong and Goku tossed him around. Yet he was still cocky and simply assumed he only had to power up more.
That's a lot of tiers in between Roshi and Young Daimao, let alone the weaker Crane.
Simply going by their power levels listed in Z, Piccolo can't be all that far above Roshi. Roshi is listed at 139 and Tenshinhan was at 250, sure he may have been suppressing himself but given that he's in the same league as weighted Goku, he's 340 at best. Tenshinhan was likely a good deal weaker back at the 23rd Budokai, so let's say he was at 300, by this point he's already stronger than Piccolo as he's able to keep up with weighted Goku who's just as fast and even stronger than he was against Daimao, so Piccolo was 280 at most back then.
In other words even if you fusion was simply addition of powers they could still win as Tsuru Sennin is likely at least somewhat close to Roshi, say 120, so together they would achieve a power level of 259 which is quite close to 280, the difference is less than 10% so they could win with their superior skill,
Also If killing is allowed in the tournament, what are the chances we get majin buu finally absorbing someone?
Hit will have serious trouble against an endlessly regenerating pink genii. One with no vital areas whatsoever.
Sure, Buuhan won't be able to hit him due to time stop shenanigans.. But eventually he'll tire out. So Buuhan.
Mate if this is a joke it's not a funny one.
The only thing that's not funny is that you can't grasp the point. Just because Hit can fight SSGSS Goku via hax Time Stop BS doesn't mean he can automatically win against Majin Buu. Hit is an assassin, one that goes for vital areas against 'normal' mortal beings. Majin Buu has none of those things. Majin Buu was physically beaten to a pulp by Gotenks, Goku, Vegeta, and Gohan over and over again... and it did nothing besides deform him like playdough. Majin Buu was blasted into pieces, vapor, and even molecules at least a dozen times and he simply regenerated. At no point does Buu show signs of lasting damage or fatique in ANY of his fights. With the sole exceptions of Fat Buu vs Evil Buu or Kid buu... Which in-universe makes no sense when Fat Buu sustained far more damage in his fights against Majin Vegeta and SS3 Goku and simply regenerated without any issue whatsoever. Yet suddenly in these instances he gets fatigued... Because plot?
The only way to defeat Majin Buu is to either imprison him indefinitely or hit him with an energy attack so powerful that it reduces him to an atomic scale or lower. Hit has shown neither of those abilities thus far in the series, punching Majin Buu in his nonexistent vital areas repeatedly does nothing. So until you have something to add that amounts to more than "Powerscaling hurr durr"... Try again.
RedShift wrote: Hit will have serious trouble against an endlessly regenerating pink genii. One with no vital areas whatsoever.
Sure, Buuhan won't be able to hit him due to time stop shenanigans.. But eventually he'll tire out. So Buuhan.
Mate if this is a joke it's not a funny one.
The only thing that's not funny is that you can't grasp the point. Just because Hit can fight SSGSS Goku via hax Time Stop BS doesn't mean he can automatically win against Majin Buu. Hit is an assassin, one that goes for vital areas against 'normal' mortal beings. Majin Buu has none of those things. Majin Buu was physically beaten to a pulp by Gotenks, Goku, Vegeta, and Gohan over and over again... and it did nothing besides deform him like playdough. Majin Buu was blasted into pieces, vapor, and even molecules at least a dozen times and he simply regenerated. At no point does Buu show signs of lasting damage or fatique in ANY of his fights. With the sole exceptions of Fat Buu vs Evil Buu or Kid buu... Which in-universe makes no sense when Fat Buu sustained far more damage in his fights against Majin Vegeta and SS3 Goku and simply regenerated without any issue whatsoever. Yet suddenly in these instances he gets fatigued... Because plot?
The only way to defeat Majin Buu is to either imprison him indefinitely or hit him with an energy attack so powerful that it reduces him to an atomic scale or lower. Hit has shown neither of those abilities thus far in the series, punching Majin Buu in his nonexistent vital areas repeatedly does nothing. So until you have something to add that amounts to more than "Powerscaling hurr durr"... Try again.
First of all, Hit was able to keep up with SsjB Goku even without Time-skip. He was slower and slightly weaker, but surely above Ssj God Goku.
Second, Ssj Vegito was taking the piss out of Buuhan while TOYING with him... he was using, I don't know, half his strenght? Maybe less. Thus, are you seriously saying that Hit, who'd one-shot Ssj Vegito even without Time-skip, would have any trouble beating Buuhan?
Well that's odd. I heard many things, such as Piccolo being God-tier, or Present Zamasu being stronger than Ssj God Goku but I had never heard something like this.
1. No Pokemon
2. Pokemon
3. Mechs
4. All out everything of their repertoire. (Except probably the Pilaf Doom Ship which may be too OP for this...but include it if ya want)
Why Dragon Ball Consistency in something such as power levels matter!
Spoiler:
Doctor. wrote:I've explained before, I'll just paraphrase myself.
Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
Zamasu55 wrote:
Mate if this is a joke it's not a funny one.
The only thing that's not funny is that you can't grasp the point. Just because Hit can fight SSGSS Goku via hax Time Stop BS doesn't mean he can automatically win against Majin Buu. Hit is an assassin, one that goes for vital areas against 'normal' mortal beings. Majin Buu has none of those things. Majin Buu was physically beaten to a pulp by Gotenks, Goku, Vegeta, and Gohan over and over again... and it did nothing besides deform him like playdough. Majin Buu was blasted into pieces, vapor, and even molecules at least a dozen times and he simply regenerated. At no point does Buu show signs of lasting damage or fatique in ANY of his fights. With the sole exceptions of Fat Buu vs Evil Buu or Kid buu... Which in-universe makes no sense when Fat Buu sustained far more damage in his fights against Majin Vegeta and SS3 Goku and simply regenerated without any issue whatsoever. Yet suddenly in these instances he gets fatigued... Because plot?
The only way to defeat Majin Buu is to either imprison him indefinitely or hit him with an energy attack so powerful that it reduces him to an atomic scale or lower. Hit has shown neither of those abilities thus far in the series, punching Majin Buu in his nonexistent vital areas repeatedly does nothing. So until you have something to add that amounts to more than "Powerscaling hurr durr"... Try again.
First of all, Hit was able to keep up with SsjB Goku even without Time-skip. He was slower and slightly weaker, but surely above Ssj God Goku.
Second, Ssj Vegito was taking the piss out of Buuhan while TOYING with him... he was using, I don't know, half his strenght? Maybe less. Thus, are you seriously saying that Hit, who'd one-shot Ssj Vegito even without Time-skip, would have any trouble beating Buuhan?
Well that's odd. I heard many things, such as Piccolo being God-tier, or Present Zamasu being stronger than Ssj God Goku but I had never heard something like this.
So once again your argument is power scaling, instead of refuting any of the points I made. OK then. Mr. Buu being beaten by physical blows is obviously for the convenience of the plot. Otherwise being vaporized by Vegeta hours earlier would have killed him outright.
Last edited by RedShift on Fri Jan 13, 2017 8:11 pm, edited 2 times in total.
nickzambuto wrote:Kame-Tsuru (fusion between Kame Sennin and Tsuru Sennin) vs Daimao?
R1- Old
R2- Young
The two had a very strong rivalry so I'm wondering just how many tiers they could jump as a fusion?
Keep in mind the following:
1. Tenshinhan never went all out against Roshi. Roshi was actually in awe of Goku and Ten's full capabilities.
2. Old Daimao was strong enough to utterly brutalize Goku, without even using half of his power.
3. Full power old Daimao would therefore be twice as strong as that.
4. Young Daimao watched Goku kill Drum with one kick, Drum probably being a little weaker than his 50% old self. Yet even after that amazing feat, he was confident he could kill Goku in five seconds.
5. He was wrong and Goku tossed him around. Yet he was still cocky and simply assumed he only had to power up more.
That's a lot of tiers in between Roshi and Young Daimao, let alone the weaker Crane.
I have Tsuru Sennin at 105 and Muten Roshi at 170 at his full power that Tien mentioned after fighting him at the 22nd tenkaichi budokai, I have Old Piccolo Daimao at 205 and Young Piccolo Daimao at 240, given how powerful both potara and metamoran fusion is I believe that a hypothetical fusion between Tsuru Sennin and Kame Sennin could beat both forms of Piccolo Daimao
Gog wrote:You know I've always wanted to see this battle answered.
Cooler finial augmentation(not fifth form) form V Finial form Freeza
I don't believe that Cooler in his fourth form was as strong as Frieza as base Goku was doing quite well against Cooler and seemingly forced Cooler into his fifth form. In addition Goku only stated that Cooler's ki was even greater than Frieza's when Cooler was in his fifth form. If somehow Cooler in his fourth form was as strong as Frieza than Base Goku would also have to be or at least close to him which I don't believe is possible at that point in time. Without Cooler's fifth form Cooler could not beat Final Form Frieza.
dbzfan7 wrote:Pilaf Gang vs Rocket Gang (Jessie, James, Meowth)
1. No Pokemon
2. Pokemon
3. Mechs
4. All out everything of their repertoire. (Except probably the Pilaf Doom Ship which may be too OP for this...but include it if ya want)
Team Rocket take this, Team Rocket have an extremely large pull of equipment such as mechs, robots, balloons, drills, even a flying stadium etc. The Pilaf Gang could not counter all of Team Rocket's equipment even with their doom ship.
At least someone here understands the champ's full power! Beginning to think I was the only one here
