"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[kinisking]

Even if it wasn't intentional, it's STILL his fault.

Goku is not responsible for the Zeno actions. With what we know, he requested a competition that present Zeno already hinted he'd hold in the future. Either way, there's no context to anything previewed.

According to the blurb, everyone forgot about it entirely and then Goku reminded Zeno. It's his fault. It doesn't matter if Goku didn't intend for it to be like it is. It's still entirely Goku's fault and I don't see how you could deny that.

It's not entirely his fault. Zeno is a living person and should he held at fault also.

[emperior]

Goku is not responsible for the Zeno actions. With what we know, he requested a competition that present Zeno already hinted he'd hold in the future. Either way, there's no context to anything previewed.

According to the blurb, everyone forgot about it entirely and then Goku reminded Zeno. It's his fault. It doesn't matter if Goku didn't intend for it to be like it is. It's still entirely Goku's fault and I don't see how you could deny that.

It's not entirely his fault. Zeno is a living person and should he held at fault also.

Exactly this. It's like reminding my friend he wanted to hold a football tournament and he decides every team who loses will be massacred
Zeno is just a psychopath, we saw it with our eyes and Whis confirmed it when he told Zeno once destroyed 6 universes

[goku the krump dancer]

Why does it seem like people try so hard to demonize Goku? Despite some of his decisions being based solely off his natural love of fighting, his heart at the end of the day is always in the right place.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

...I'm pretty sure they searched for Trunks too.

Trunks never killed Freeza in the future timeline, so Future Freeza wouldn't seek out Trunks for revenge.

This is the worst case scenario regarding a Future RoF Arc at this point:

-Sorbet, Tagoma, and co. resurrect Freeza, then kill the Namekian race.
-Freeza learns that Goku is dead, but goes to destroy his home planet, Earth, since he's a dick.
-Freeza lands on Earth, only to be killed by Trunks in nostalgic fashion.
-Ice cream!

[Zamasu55]

Wait.. what?
You honesty believe gohan was as strong as buu arc against tagoma when he clearly states he can barely go SS anymore and has trained worth nothing..
There is nothing supporting the two base theory either, it's something fans came up with

1. Ssj Gohan one-shots Ginyu who made literally destroyed Piccolo. If Gohan was so weak, why did he easily get rid of Ginyu? The latter is at least Super Perfect Cell tier.
2. So, you're telling me the two-base theory is made up. Okay, but you've got to explain how can Piccolo do that well against Frost. Or Cabba, whose base was equal to Vegeta's.

Gohan got a lot weaker, he couldn't access his full power aka ultimate, he had to do SS to get somewhat of a boost..
He was anywhere around SS2 teen Gohan and Fat buu.. not even close to his ultimate self

I don't have to explain anything, give me official proof of two base theory and I will accept it, even a mention in the anime qualifies

Kinisking also explains it nicely, He can't access his full powers

I think Gohans as strong as his boo saga self before ultimate. He just has problems maintaining his strength. That'd still put him way above piccolo though.

Okay then, so Piccolo is stronger than a Super Saiyan God. Very good.
And Ssj Gohan, who one-shotted the likes of Ginyu that destroyed Piccolo (at least Perfect Cell tier by now) a couple minutes earlier, isn't near Good Buu's strength.
Oh and Ssj2 Future Trunks, stronger than Ssj2 Goku, is now officially God-tier before he reached Ssj Rage.

[dbs fanboy]

Nah, this is all Beerus's fault, if he had never dreamed about a ssgod, he would have never appeared on Earth or met Goku, so there would be no tournament.

Actually it's all Bardock's fault if he didn't conceive Goku this all never would have happened, he should have pulled out

Actually it was Freeza's fault since he sent Bardock bacl in time to eventually create the Saiyan race.

Then it was all either Beerus's fault for not killing Freeza before he destroyed planet Vegeta, or King Cold's for being the one reponsible for Freeza's birth

[Ki Breaker]

1. Ssj Gohan one-shots Ginyu who made literally destroyed Piccolo. If Gohan was so weak, why did he easily get rid of Ginyu? The latter is at least Super Perfect Cell tier.
2. So, you're telling me the two-base theory is made up. Okay, but you've got to explain how can Piccolo do that well against Frost. Or Cabba, whose base was equal to Vegeta's.

Gohan got a lot weaker, he couldn't access his full power aka ultimate, he had to do SS to get somewhat of a boost..
He was anywhere around SS2 teen Gohan and Fat buu.. not even close to his ultimate self

I don't have to explain anything, give me official proof of two base theory and I will accept it, even a mention in the anime qualifies

Kinisking also explains it nicely, He can't access his full powers

I think Gohans as strong as his boo saga self before ultimate. He just has problems maintaining his strength. That'd still put him way above piccolo though.

Okay then, so Piccolo is stronger than a Super Saiyan God. Very good.
And Ssj Gohan, who one-shotted the likes of Ginyu that destroyed Piccolo (at least Perfect Cell tier by now) a couple minutes earlier, isn't near Good Buu's strength.
Oh and Ssj2 Future Trunks, stronger than Ssj2 Goku, is now officially God-tier before he reached Ssj Rage.

A very poor attempt at sarcasm.
It's plenty clear and explained in the show itself but it's obvious you don't wanna see it with anything other than your mangled perspective..
Believe what you want

Don't think too hard it's a kids show.

Yeah, seems to be better than trying to explain basic logic

[Zamasu55]

Gohan got a lot weaker, he couldn't access his full power aka ultimate, he had to do SS to get somewhat of a boost..
He was anywhere around SS2 teen Gohan and Fat buu.. not even close to his ultimate self

I don't have to explain anything, give me official proof of two base theory and I will accept it, even a mention in the anime qualifies

Kinisking also explains it nicely, He can't access his full powers

Okay then, so Piccolo is stronger than a Super Saiyan God. Very good.
And Ssj Gohan, who one-shotted the likes of Ginyu that destroyed Piccolo (at least Perfect Cell tier by now) a couple minutes earlier, isn't near Good Buu's strength.
Oh and Ssj2 Future Trunks, stronger than Ssj2 Goku, is now officially God-tier before he reached Ssj Rage.

A very poor attempt at sarcasm.
It's plenty clear and explained in the show itself but it's obvious you don't wanna see it with anything other than your mangled perspective..
Believe what you want

Why don't you explain it then? I gave my explanations, you didn't. Answer to my points mate, if you can.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

Actually it's all Bardock's fault if he didn't conceive Goku this all never would have happened, he should have pulled out

Actually it was Freeza's fault since he sent Bardock bacl in time to eventually create the Saiyan race.

Then it was all either Beerus's fault for not killing Freeza before he destroyed planet Vegeta, or King Cold's for being the one reponsible for Freeza's birth

I wonder did King Cold asexually produce Freeza?

[TekTheNinja]

According to the blurb, everyone forgot about it entirely and then Goku reminded Zeno. It's his fault. It doesn't matter if Goku didn't intend for it to be like it is. It's still entirely Goku's fault and I don't see how you could deny that.

It's not entirely his fault. Zeno is a living person and should he held at fault also.

Exactly this. It's like reminding my friend he wanted to hold a football tournament and he decides every team who loses will be massacred
Zeno is just a psychopath, we saw it with our eyes and Whis confirmed it when he told Zeno once destroyed 6 universes

I've acknowledged that obviously wasn't Goku's intention for it to be like this, but AGAIN, it's STILL HIS FAULT. He is still the cause of the problem here, and I'm honestly sick of Goku causing the conflicts all the time.

Also, here's the thing. Goku should KNOW that Zeno is completely mental by now. He saw him blow up Trunks' universe. He knows that Zeno's destroyed 6 universes in the past. It's his own stupidity and battle lust that's getting in the way of his common sense it seems. We'll see how it goes in thew actually episode, but I'm betting Goku's gonna cause it all and imma be pissed.

[kinisking]

It's not entirely his fault. Zeno is a living person and should he held at fault also.

Exactly this. It's like reminding my friend he wanted to hold a football tournament and he decides every team who loses will be massacred
Zeno is just a psychopath, we saw it with our eyes and Whis confirmed it when he told Zeno once destroyed 6 universes

I've acknowledged that obviously wasn't Goku's intention for it to be like this, but AGAIN, it's STILL HIS FAULT. He is still the cause of the problem here, and I'm honestly sick of Goku causing the conflicts all the time.

Also, here's the thing. Goku should KNOW that Zeno is completely mental by now. He saw him blow up Trunks' universe. He knows that Zeno's destroyed 6 universes in the past. It's his own stupidity and battle lust that's getting in the way of his common sense it seems. We'll see how it goes in thew actually episode, but I'm betting Goku's gonna cause it all and imma be pissed.

Again it's not his fault because Zeno is accountable for his own damn actions.

[Kanassa]

and I'm honestly sick of Goku causing the conflicts all the time.

Saiyan Saga: Not Goku's fault, he had no choice in the cirumstances that brought the Saiyans to Earth
Frieza Saga: Not Goku's fault, the conflict there occurred independent of his involvement.
Cell Saga: Goku's fault, both because of his destruction of the RRA and refusing to go kill Gero... As well as giving Cell the bloody sensu bean.
Buu Saga: Kind of Goku's fault for humoring Vegeta, but that's VERY debatable.
BoG Saga: Not Goku's fault, Beerus came stiring up trouble regardless of Goku's involvement.
RoF Saga: Kind of Goku's fault
Uni6 Saga: Not Goku's fault, Beerus and Champa's fault.
F!Trunks: Goku's fault.

[Gog]

and I'm honestly sick of Goku causing the conflicts all the time.

Saiyan Saga: Not Goku's fault, he had no choice in the cirumstances that brought the Saiyans to Earth
Frieza Saga: Not Goku's fault, the conflict there occurred independent of his involvement.
Cell Saga: Goku's fault, both because of his destruction of the RRA and refusing to go kill Gero... As well as giving Cell the bloody sensu bean.
Buu Saga: Kind of Goku's fault for humoring Vegeta, but that's VERY debatable.
BoG Saga: Not Goku's fault, Beerus came stiring up trouble regardless of Goku's involvement.
RoF Saga: Kind of Goku's fault
Uni6 Saga: Not Goku's fault, Beerus and Champa's fault.
F!Trunks: Goku's fault.

Obviously its al~lll Goku's fault the chart doesn't lie

[Yamcha upset fan]

So Yamcha is not going to be in the next arch...

it doesnt matter when you read my nickname. it always applies.

[kinisking]

and I'm honestly sick of Goku causing the conflicts all the time.

Saiyan Saga: Not Goku's fault, he had no choice in the cirumstances that brought the Saiyans to Earth
Frieza Saga: Not Goku's fault, the conflict there occurred independent of his involvement.
Cell Saga: Goku's fault, both because of his destruction of the RRA and refusing to go kill Gero... As well as giving Cell the bloody sensu bean.
Buu Saga: Kind of Goku's fault for humoring Vegeta, but that's VERY debatable.
BoG Saga: Not Goku's fault, Beerus came stiring up trouble regardless of Goku's involvement.
RoF Saga: Kind of Goku's fault
Uni6 Saga: Not Goku's fault, Beerus and Champa's fault.
F!Trunks: Goku's fault.

Besides, this is why he's the main character. It's easy to create stories around him. Although this is definitely not his fault

[JoeCapricorn]

Pilaf saga: Bulma's fault. Pilaf would never have had all 7 dragon balls if Bulma didn't invent the Dragon Radar.
Tournament saga: Bulma's fault. Goku would never have been trained by Master Roshi and found out about the World's Martial Arts tournament if Bulma had never ran into him with a car. Oh, and if Bulma didn't invent the Dragon Radar she would never have hit Goku with her car.
Red Ribbon Army saga: Bulma's fault. The Red Ribbon Army would never have found all 7 dragon balls if Bulma didn't invent the Dragon Radar.
Fortuneteller Baba saga: Bulma's fault. Dragon radar. Bora would still be alive if Goku never hunted for Dragon Balls.
Tien Shinhan saga: Bulma's fault. If Bulma never had the dragon radar, she would never have run into Yamcha, and Yamcha would never have trained with Master Roshi and subsequently get his ass kicked by Tien.
King Piccolo saga: Bulma's fault. The Pilaf gang would continue to search in vain for the Dragon Balls, never thinking to search a small hut formerly owned by an old man named Gohan.
Piccolo Junior saga: Bulma's fault. King Piccolo would never have been resurrected, therefore making the existence of Piccolo Junior impossible.
Raditz saga: Bulma's fault, because Goku would not have a high enough power level for Raditz to go hunting for him. Raditz attemps to destroy the Earth but Arale sends him to the moon.
Saiyan saga: Bulma's fault. Vegeta has a dream about Bulma and goes to Earth searching for her because of destiny. Or because Raditz would never have heard about the Dragon Balls shortly before being mooned by Arale.
Frieza saga: Bulma's fault. Frieza would never have known about the Dragon Balls if Vegeta never went hunting for them on Earth and thus would never have known about Namek.
Android saga: Bulma's fault. Dr. Gero would have no need for revenge if Goku never destroyed the entire Red Ribbon Army.
Cell saga: Bulma's fault. Ditto.
Buu saga: Bulma's fault. No one on Earth would have a high enough power level for Buu to be resurrected, thus it is likely that Babidi completely ignores the planet and goes elsewhere.
Beerus saga: Bulma's fault. Although Beerus would probably still go to Earth, find Goku still living at Gohan's hut at Mount Paozu, and ask about "Super Saiyan God". Goku would have no idea what a Saiyan is. Beerus then destroys Earth.
Universe 6 saga: Bulma's fault. Goku would never be trained by Whis if it wasn't for Bulma hitting him with her car on that fateful day. Therefore, when Champa visits Beerus, there wouldn't be Goku there to enthusiastically respond to the prospect of a tournament. Also, because Beerus likely destroyed Earth in the above scenario, there wouldn't be any Earth in either Universe.
Future Trunks saga: Bulma's fault. None of the time loops involving Trunks would have ever happened. Zamasu would never have found out about Goku or even Earth in any scenario.
Universe Survival saga: Bulma's fault. Zeno would never be involved if there was never a Universe 6 vs Universe 7 tournament.
Hypothetical saga involving Zarama, the penultimate creator of the Dragon Balls: Bulma's fault. Her wish for the perfect boyfriend transcended time and space and inspired the Dragon God to create Super Dragon Balls for the lulz.

So if you think about it, this entire series would not have happened if Bulma never invented the Dragon Radar because she wanted the perfect boyfriend.

I hope this was amusing. I sure had fun writing it, because I am bored and sick (ugh, winter and colds, why must both happen at once?).

To contribute something of meaningful discussion to this thread, I've been wondering about Zarama. Could he be at a higher level than Zeno? I doubt this series is going to leave him as just a mention and nothing more... I feel like they are going to explore this.

[The gr]

I got a question regarding the universe survival arc.Are 17 and 18 allowed to enter since they're artificially enhanced?

[Kanassa]

I got a question regarding the universe survival arc.Are 17 and 18 allowed to enter since they're artificially enhanced?

Why would that bar them from entering?

[The gr]

I got a question regarding the universe survival arc.Are 17 and 18 allowed to enter since they're artificially enhanced?

Why would that bar them from entering?

I think that's the reason why frost was disqualified he was using enhancement and the Android are artificially enchanced

[kinisking]

So Yamcha is not going to be in the next arch...

it doesnt matter when you read my nickname. it always applies.

I really, really feel bad for you man. I hate to see characters disrespected like this. You could try to pretend Gohan's Yamcha but dende decided to heal his scar haha. Although that might not help if Gohan jobs .