Unpopular DB opinions

[Gog]

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Oh God the designs, I have so many questions, and none of them are good. First off why is his finial form and ugly abomination, that makes King Cold's sixth form look good in comparison? Why does his forms have to be reversed design wise? Why are they all so ugly?!?! Oh god, on better thought, its better that he's brushed off quickly aside. The less screen time this character has the better.

The reason for this ugliness is that it's fanmade content. Tons of Dragon Ball fans out there have made their own characters, transformations etc., and a fair amount of those fans aren't able to tap into Toriyama's "creative mind". Therefore, they end up with characters and forms that are distinctly un-Toriyama, and when that happens, the designs tend to end up ugly.
The image you posted and I quoted is a prime example of distinctly un-Toriyama character design. It's not un-that guy character design, though, and it allows us as viewers to look into what he thinks is good design. Here, I think he attempted to combine things he finds "badass" to make a character, as suggested by the plentiful red lines and the black eyes with glowing red pupils. Those are typical for "edgy OCs" and lets us make some assumptions about the artist. So while it's difficult to enjoy the character design for its looks, it is possible to look at it for the psychology behind it. It's something, at least.

I've been considering making a "designers' corner" thread in the fan works section to discuss designing original characters and transformations, but I feel like it could be covered in the general fanfic thread, so I'm holding off on it.

I would rather accept these designs than the "Golden Frieza" design any day, anytime, regardless of who drew it.

Actually a designer's thread, is something that'd you'd need to make asap! It'll help us all with creating good looking OC's and non terrible transformations, so great idea Alruneia . Also to Esir Dedragon, sorry to say it but probably have terrible tastes in design. Or you just don't like it.

[mabalia]

Why does it matter if it's cruel? They're bad guys, they're supposed to do bad things.

I just think the cruelty towards a 5 year old boy could be avoided by Gohan's aging if the timeskip was over 10 years. It's my preference and that's the reason why the saiyan and freeza arcs are not my favorites.

[rereboy]

I think the moral and psychological implications of a 5 year old being trained and having to save the world and getting himself involved in all of that are worse from a story-telling point of view than simply getting injured. A bad guy needs evil deeds, but this sort of "weight" on Gohan is something different. If he was older, it would be somewhat better in that regard.

[Esfír Dedragón]

The reason for this ugliness is that it's fanmade content. Tons of Dragon Ball fans out there have made their own characters, transformations etc., and a fair amount of those fans aren't able to tap into Toriyama's "creative mind". Therefore, they end up with characters and forms that are distinctly un-Toriyama, and when that happens, the designs tend to end up ugly.
The image you posted and I quoted is a prime example of distinctly un-Toriyama character design. It's not un-that guy character design, though, and it allows us as viewers to look into what he thinks is good design. Here, I think he attempted to combine things he finds "badass" to make a character, as suggested by the plentiful red lines and the black eyes with glowing red pupils. Those are typical for "edgy OCs" and lets us make some assumptions about the artist. So while it's difficult to enjoy the character design for its looks, it is possible to look at it for the psychology behind it. It's something, at least.

I've been considering making a "designers' corner" thread in the fan works section to discuss designing original characters and transformations, but I feel like it could be covered in the general fanfic thread, so I'm holding off on it.

I would rather accept these designs than the "Golden Frieza" design any day, anytime, regardless of who drew it.

Also to Esir Dedragon, sorry to say it but probably have terrible tastes in design. Or you just don't like it.

"Also to Esfír Dedragón, sorry to say it but (you?) probably have terrible tastes in design. Or you just don't like it. "

There, I fixed it for you.

Anyway, it's no secret that I despise how Golden Frieza looks like. Given what I saw on page 307, from Ruga-Rell's DeviantArt, my opinion on it is that it's more aesthetically pleasing than what Frieza achieved. Others might see it as "terrible" or "great" artwork. Regardless from an "objective" point of view, I don't necessarily think it's great; just slightly more visually intimidating than what we got officially.

[Gog]

I would rather accept these designs than the "Golden Frieza" design any day, anytime, regardless of who drew it.

Also to Esir Dedragon, sorry to say it but probably have terrible tastes in design. Or you just don't like it.

"Also to Esfír Dedragón, sorry to say it but (you?) probably have terrible tastes in design. Or you just don't like it. "

There, I fixed it for you.

Anyway, it's no secret that I despise how Golden Frieza looks like. Given what I saw on page 307, from Ruga-Rell's DeviantArt, my opinion on it is that it's more aesthetically pleasing than what Frieza achieved. Others might see it as "terrible" or "great" artwork. Regardless from an "objective" point of view, I don't necessarily think it's great; just slightly more visually intimidating than what we got officially.

Oh thanks for that!

Oh, okay then, I can't actually find what your referring to though . But I guess I won't actually convince on its look. I have to admit that I don't care about the more intimidating designs

[ABED]

Why does it matter if it's cruel? They're bad guys, they're supposed to do bad things.

I just think the cruelty towards a 5 year old boy could be avoided by Gohan's aging if the timeskip was over 10 years. It's my preference and that's the reason why the saiyan and freeza arcs are not my favorites.

My question is "why?"

[Doctor.]

Why are we trying to limit art?

[ABED]

Why are we trying to limit art?

Apropos of what?

[Doctor.]

Why are we trying to limit art?

Apropos of what?

This:

I just think the cruelty towards a 5 year old boy could be avoided by Gohan's aging if the timeskip was over 10 years.

Art has never played it safe.

[ABED]

While I agree that artists shouldn't feel the need to play it safe, I find the whole "art needs to be unsafe" thing pretentious.

[Doctor.]

While I agree that artists shouldn't feel the need to play it safe, I find the whole "art needs to be unsafe" thing pretentious.

I didn't say it needs to be. I'm saying that trying to limit art is ridiculous, art has always pushed boundaries in order to send its messages.

[ekrolo2]

Why are we trying to limit art?

Apropos of what?

This:

I just think the cruelty towards a 5 year old boy could be avoided by Gohan's aging if the timeskip was over 10 years.

Art has never played it safe.

This is 2017, people putting their heads in the sand and pretending bad things don't happen period is becoming the norm. Doesn't matter if it makes sense, if its uncomfortable it must go, even in a dumb fighting series like Dragon Ball.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

Ahh thanks for correcting me, now I can see why Young JiJi doesn't do the dragon ball super manga

He was pretty shoddy at coming up with transformation designs of his own, although I maintain that he's a better artist than Toyotaro.

[ABED]

"It must go" as in it must be lifted out?

[ekrolo2]

"It must go" as in it must be lifted out?

It must not exist or be censored to hell. Like how people condemn Game of Thrones because it's a medieval society that treats women like shit, because medieval soceites actually conformed to modern day standards about a 1000 years before said standards existed.
Don't even get me started on how actual fucking history is being censored so these same people don't have to admit the fact they're part of a species where things like the Holocaust happened.

[mabalia]

Why does it matter if it's cruel? They're bad guys, they're supposed to do bad things.

I just think the cruelty towards a 5 year old boy could be avoided by Gohan's aging if the timeskip was over 10 years. It's my preference and that's the reason why the saiyan and freeza arcs are not my favorites.

My question is "why?"

Because I don't like it. What's more to say, I'd like for Gohan to be older, but I'm just repeating myself.

[ABED]

"It must go" as in it must be lifted out?

It must not exist or be censored to hell. Like how people condemn Game of Thrones because it's a medieval society that treats women like shit, because medieval soceites actually conformed to modern day standards about a 1000 years before said standards existed.
Don't even get me started on how actual fucking history is being censored so these same people don't have to admit the fact they're part of a species where things like the Holocaust happened.

Censorship is evil, plain and simple. And it's not as though Toriyama was saying that cruelty towards children is a good thing. Never mind, I finally realized you were being ironic.

Because I don't like it. What's more to say, I'd like for Gohan to be older, but I'm just repeating myself.

You keep repeating yourself because you insist on repeating only that you don't like it. There is more to say such as WHY don't you like it in a work of fiction or why you not liking it means it shouldn't exist. It's fiction, bad things should happen to the heroes. Villains should commit evil acts.

[Doctor.]

What's the difference between a 5-year old getting beaten up and a 10-year old? I don't get it, a child is a child.

[ekrolo2]

What's the difference between a 5-year old getting beaten up and a 10-year old? I don't get it, a child is a child.

I'd argue it's probably worse when he's older because he can actually comprehend the fucked up stuff the idiot adults are involving him in whereas before, he's kind of oblivious to how screwed up a lot of this is.

[Gog]

Ahh thanks for correcting me, now I can see why Young JiJi doesn't do the dragon ball super manga

He was pretty shoddy at coming up with transformation designs of his own, although I maintain that he's a better artist than Toyotaro.

yeah but I can already see what SSB would have looked if he made it
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Oh-OH GOD ZAMASU WHAT DID HE DO TO YOU, OH GOD WHY
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