"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[Kanassa]

I got a question regarding the universe survival arc.Are 17 and 18 allowed to enter since they're artificially enhanced?

Why would that bar them from entering?

I think that's the reason why frost was disqualified he was using enhancement and the Android are artificially enchanced

Frost used a 'weapon'. For Androids, I think their mechanical parts are treated like Giran's moves were treated.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Why would that bar them from entering?

I think that's the reason why frost was disqualified he was using enhancement and the Android are artificially enchanced

Frost used a 'weapon'. For Androids, I think their mechanical parts are treated like Giran's moves were treated.

The only mechanical parts that #17 & #18 have are their deactivation devices & bomb devices. The rest of their modifications are organic, even their infinite energy reactor. They can even get stronger through training according to Toriyama.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

I got a question regarding the universe survival arc.Are 17 and 18 allowed to enter since they're artificially enhanced?

Why would there be a rule against something like that? Obviously, they're going to be there, they don't bring back characters for the sole purpose of doing nothing with them.

[dragonballhero]

So Yamcha is not going to be in the next arch...

it doesnt matter when you read my nickname. it always applies.

I really, really feel bad for you man. I hate to see characters disrespected like this. You could try to pretend Gohan's Yamcha but dende decided to heal his scar haha. Although that might not help if Gohan jobs .

I don't care what anyone says, it honestly does tick me off a little bit that Goten, Trunks, Yamcha, and Chiaotzu are not involved in this arc.

[Ki Breaker]

So Yamcha is not going to be in the next arch...

it doesnt matter when you read my nickname. it always applies.

I really, really feel bad for you man. I hate to see characters disrespected like this. You could try to pretend Gohan's Yamcha but dende decided to heal his scar haha. Although that might not help if Gohan jobs .

I don't care what anyone says, it honestly does tick me off a little bit that Goten, Trunks, Yamcha, and Chiaotzu are not involved in this arc.

They can't have everyone, let's give the show a chance to explain the reason..

This matchup is already so much more than I hoped form toriyama

[Nejishiki]

Even if it wasn't intentional, it's STILL his fault.

Goku is not responsible for the Zeno actions. With what we know, he requested a competition that present Zeno already hinted he'd hold in the future. Either way, there's no context to anything previewed.

According to the blurb, everyone forgot about it entirely and then Goku reminded Zeno. It's his fault. It doesn't matter if Goku didn't intend for it to be like it is. It's still entirely Goku's fault and I don't see how you could deny that.

That's quite the claim in an effort to blame Goku for someone else's judgment. Intentions are the most vital element of someone's actions. We judge intentions fairly to avoid circumstance where we condemn others for harmless acts leading into tragedy. There's no denial on my end. Claiming Goku as entirely responsible for the Zeno threats (without viewing the proper episode, at that) is not reasonable, be it fiction, reality, or otherwise.

[alakazam^]

Even so, ultimately, none of that matters because Zen'ou, as far as we know, created the Universes, the Afterlife and the systems that rule them so he can act however he chooses with them. It's no different than you smashing your own computer just because you felt like it.

[Noah]

The only mechanical parts that #17 & #18 have are their deactivation devices & bomb devices. The rest of their modifications are organic, even their infinite energy reactor. They can even get stronger through training according to Toriyama.

Was this on Daizenshuu?

[dbs fanboy]

Actually it was Freeza's fault since he sent Bardock bacl in time to eventually create the Saiyan race.

Then it was all either Beerus's fault for not killing Freeza before he destroyed planet Vegeta, or King Cold's for being the one reponsible for Freeza's birth

I wonder did King Cold asexually produce Freeza?

I'm gonna take Doctor's fanfic as canon and say yes

[Baggie_Saiyan]

Then it was all either Beerus's fault for not killing Freeza before he destroyed planet Vegeta, or King Cold's for being the one reponsible for Freeza's birth

I wonder did King Cold asexually produce Freeza?

I'm gonna take Doctor's fanfic as canon and say yes

That definitely makes sense and why we haven't seen much of Freeza's race think his father was a one off species. I am now wondering how we got to this conversation....

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Even so, ultimately, none of that matters because Zen'ou, as far as we know, created the Universes, the Afterlife and the systems that rule them so he can act however he chooses with them. It's no different than you smashing your own computer just because you felt like it.

When was that ever said?

The only mechanical parts that #17 & #18 have are their deactivation devices & bomb devices. The rest of their modifications are organic, even their infinite energy reactor. They can even get stronger through training according to Toriyama.

Was this on Daizenshuu?

And the manga as well, it is explained that almost all their modifications are organic, which is why they can merge with Cell. The Daizenshuu just gets more specific.

[alakazam^]

When was that ever said?

It's a logical conclusion.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

When was that ever said?

It's a logical conclusion.

He is only said to be the ruler of all universes, and we are only told that he has the power to destroy them all. We aren't told anything, nor was it ever hinted, that he is the creator of the universes (unless if I missed something?). That's a very big assumption to make.

[Kanassa]

When was that ever said?

It's a logical conclusion.

He is only said to be the ruler of all universes, and we are only told that he has the power to destroy them all. We aren't told anything, nor was it ever hinted, that he is the creator of the universes (unless if I missed something?). That's a very big assumption to make.

Basically, he's the CEO of the universe.

[Grimlock]

The fact that even Zeno is affected by alternate timelines makes me think that there's one above him... The truly One Above All and the one that creates Universes. At this moment, I consider Akira Toriyama, basing on Daizenshuu 7, but if there's indeed someone above Zeno, most likely it'll be someone else.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

When was that ever said?

It's a logical conclusion.

He is only said to be the ruler of all universes, and we are only told that he has the power to destroy them all. We aren't told anything, nor was it ever hinted, that he is the creator of the universes (unless if I missed something?). That's a very big assumption to make.

Holding the title "King of Everything" at the top of the god hierarchy pretty much implies he can do whatever he wants. However, I'm totally open to the idea that Zeno is only capable of destroying, and that he has a counterpart out there who creates things.

[Psykomatik]

It's a logical conclusion.

He is only said to be the ruler of all universes, and we are only told that he has the power to destroy them all. We aren't told anything, nor was it ever hinted, that he is the creator of the universes (unless if I missed something?). That's a very big assumption to make.

Holding the title "King of Everything" at the top of the god hierarchy pretty much implies he can do whatever he wants. However, I'm totally open to the idea that Zeno is only capable of destroying, and that he has a counterpart out there who creates things.

It could be Zalama, the creator of the Super Dragon Balls. What do you think?

[Jinzoningen MULE]

It could be Zalama, the creator of the Super Dragon Balls. What do you think?

I don't think anything, we know nothing about him other than he created the Super DB's.

[TekTheNinja]

Again it's not his fault because Zeno is accountable for his own damn actions.

You're obviously not listening. I've said this SEVERAL times, but even though Goku didn't intend for it to be like it is IT'S STILL HIS FAULT. This is undeniable fact. If goku didn't remind Zeno, Zeno wouldn't have done anything, MAKING IT FACTUALLY GOKU'S FAULT. It doesn't matter whether or not Goku should be blamed for it. FACTUALLY it's his fault.

That's quite the claim in an effort to blame Goku for someone else's judgment. Intentions are the most vital element of someone's actions. We judge intentions fairly to avoid circumstance where we condemn others for harmless acts leading into tragedy. There's no denial on my end. Claiming Goku as entirely responsible for the Zeno threats (without viewing the proper episode, at that) is not reasonable, be it fiction, reality, or otherwise.

Really dude? What i'm saying isn't complicated. Goku caused it. If the blurb is correct, that's absolute fact. I don't give a shit about his intentions, even though I HAVE mentioned it's ridiculously stupid for Goku to not expect something like this from a genocidal maniac like Zeno.

and I'm honestly sick of Goku causing the conflicts all the time.

Saiyan Saga: Not Goku's fault, he had no choice in the cirumstances that brought the Saiyans to Earth
Frieza Saga: Not Goku's fault, the conflict there occurred independent of his involvement.
Cell Saga: Goku's fault, both because of his destruction of the RRA and refusing to go kill Gero... As well as giving Cell the bloody sensu bean.
Buu Saga: Kind of Goku's fault for humoring Vegeta, but that's VERY debatable.
BoG Saga: Not Goku's fault, Beerus came stiring up trouble regardless of Goku's involvement.
RoF Saga: Kind of Goku's fault
Uni6 Saga: Not Goku's fault, Beerus and Champa's fault.
F!Trunks: Goku's fault.

Are you kidding me? In the Cell arc, Goku even says himself the the Saiyans, Frieza, and Cell were ALL caused by him. And now in Super he was the reason Beerus woke up, he was still the reason for Frieza, and he was absolutely responsible for Black Goku. That A LOT of Goku causing the threats.

[Kanassa]

Are you kidding me? In the Cell arc, Goku even says himself the the Saiyans, Frieza, and Cell were ALL caused by him. And now in Super he was the reason Beerus woke up, he was still the reason for Frieza, and he was absolutely responsible for Black Goku. That A LOT of Goku causing the threats.

Goku blaming himself for the Saiyans and Frieza don't means they are actually hit fault. In Super, he was not the reason for Beerus woke up and no, that is not 'a lot', that is.... Noticable at best. You act like it's a 90% of the time.