The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[nickzambuto]

Let's say, hypothetically, King Cold really WAS in his first form when he arrived on Earth, and his first form is a lot larger than Freeza's because he's older and more matured.

So his first form is somewhere on the same tier as his son's final form. Assuming all of his other forms have power increases equivalent to the boosts Freeza got, how much stronger would a final form, 100% King Cold be?

In my interpretation, Freeza's transformations never jumped him more than a single tier. He went from fighting on par with Vegeta to curbstomping Vegeta, then from fighting on par with Piccolo to curbstomping Piccolo. He didn't go from being stomped to stomping. Therefore, his hypothetical second form would only be on par with Trunks, if not still weaker. However, his third form will be enough to curbstomp Trunks. Then the leap into his true form should be enough to boost him to 17 and 18's levels, maybe even 16.

From there, he still has to powerup to 100%, just as Freeza did.

I'd go so far as to say this guy can be SSJ2 tier.

[Ki Breaker]

Kid goku vs Mr popo
Death match, Goku version prior to training with kami

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qVZerUy8rwQ

I know that, That's the reason I mentioned blood lusted amd goku is fresh in my matchup too, he was pretty banged up a little bit before in the video if I remember correctly

[The gr]

So why do people say yakon is stronger frieza in the namek saga because i really want to know how strong is yakon

[DSB]

okay then

Post Majin SSj2 Vegeta vs Super Perfect Cell and SSj2 Adult Gohan [World Tournament]

Vegeta's stronger than either of them, but he's not so strong that he can take them both on at the same time.

I wouldn't be so sure about that. Vegeta was already stronger than Gohan even before he got the Majin boost, Majin Vegeta could easily wreck Gohan in 2 or 3 blows. Cell would be a bit harder but he would go down quickly as well.

Keep in mind this Gohan will go down far easily than the Cell Games one . No training .

Still , Gohan still can be the lackey for SPC , cant he ?

[dragonball0900]

okay then

Post Majin SSj2 Vegeta vs Super Perfect Cell and SSj2 Adult Gohan [World Tournament]

Majin Vegeta wins this. Since it was stated that he was a bit stronger than SSJ2 Kid Gohan. SSJ2 Adult Gohan is weaker than SSJ2 Kid Gohan, so Vegeta takes this with difficulty.

Kid goku vs Mr popo
Death match, Goku version prior to training with kami

Mr Popo, obviously, is seen in the series.

[ryan1227]

Post Majin SSj2 Vegeta vs Super Perfect Cell and SSj2 Adult Gohan [World Tournament]

With Gohan's assistance Cell should be able to take down Vegeta with difficulty.

Kid goku vs Mr popo
Death match, Goku version prior to training with kami

Mr. Popo had already been shown to be superior to Goku in every way at that point, he stomps him easily.

So why do people say yakon is stronger frieza in the namek saga because i really want to know how strong is yakon

He's around the same tier as Goku's regular form in the Boo Saga. Yakon's strength therefore depends on where you put Goku's strength.

[In Brightest Day]

Some fights here:

- Bio Warriors (Ebifurya, Misokatsun, Kishime) vs. Muten Roshi (Resurrection F).
- Chaozu (Boo arc) vs. Tarble.
- Freeza (true form, Resurrection F) vs. Hirudegarn.
- SSJ3 Son Goku (Battle of Gods) vs. Kid Boo.
- Fat Boo (vs. Majin Vegeta) vs. SSJ2 Vegeta (Battle of Gods).
- Tenshinhan (Saiyan arc) vs. 6 Saibamen.

Let's say, hypothetically, King Cold really WAS in his first form when he arrived on Earth, and his first form is a lot larger than Freeza's because he's older and more matured.

So his first form is somewhere on the same tier as his son's final form. Assuming all of his other forms have power increases equivalent to the boosts Freeza got, how much stronger would a final form, 100% King Cold be?

In my interpretation, Freeza's transformations never jumped him more than a single tier. He went from fighting on par with Vegeta to curbstomping Vegeta, then from fighting on par with Piccolo to curbstomping Piccolo. He didn't go from being stomped to stomping. Therefore, his hypothetical second form would only be on par with Trunks, if not still weaker. However, his third form will be enough to curbstomp Trunks. Then the leap into his true form should be enough to boost him to 17 and 18's levels, maybe even 16.

From there, he still has to powerup to 100%, just as Freeza did.

I'd go so far as to say this guy can be SSJ2 tier.

My hypothetical 100% power King Cold would breeze through the Cell Games and earlier half of the Boo arc but would hit a brick wall as soon as Boo was reawakened.

[Gog]

Let's say, hypothetically, King Cold really WAS in his first form when he arrived on Earth, and his first form is a lot larger than Freeza's because he's older and more matured.

So his first form is somewhere on the same tier as his son's final form. Assuming all of his other forms have power increases equivalent to the boosts Freeza got, how much stronger would a final form, 100% King Cold be?

In my interpretation, Freeza's transformations never jumped him more than a single tier. He went from fighting on par with Vegeta to curbstomping Vegeta, then from fighting on par with Piccolo to curbstomping Piccolo. He didn't go from being stomped to stomping. Therefore, his hypothetical second form would only be on par with Trunks, if not still weaker. However, his third form will be enough to curbstomp Trunks. Then the leap into his true form should be enough to boost him to 17 and 18's levels, maybe even 16.

From there, he still has to powerup to 100%, just as Freeza did.

I'd go so far as to say this guy can be SSJ2 tier.

Holy fuck, if he is in his first form (which he's not), then that means he'd be the strongest, I'll crunch the multipliers.

150 million x 2 x 3 x 50 = 4500!!! What the fuck? He crushes super Saiyan veggeto 3 in a single hit.

This man is not super saian 2 tier? He's leaps and bounds ahead of that

[dragon boss z]

So why do people say yakon is stronger frieza in the namek saga because i really want to know how strong is yakon

He isn't stronger than Frieza imo.

Let's say, hypothetically, King Cold really WAS in his first form when he arrived on Earth, and his first form is a lot larger than Freeza's because he's older and more matured.

So his first form is somewhere on the same tier as his son's final form. Assuming all of his other forms have power increases equivalent to the boosts Freeza got, how much stronger would a final form, 100% King Cold be?

In my interpretation, Freeza's transformations never jumped him more than a single tier. He went from fighting on par with Vegeta to curbstomping Vegeta, then from fighting on par with Piccolo to curbstomping Piccolo. He didn't go from being stomped to stomping. Therefore, his hypothetical second form would only be on par with Trunks, if not still weaker. However, his third form will be enough to curbstomp Trunks. Then the leap into his true form should be enough to boost him to 17 and 18's levels, maybe even 16.

From there, he still has to powerup to 100%, just as Freeza did.

I'd go so far as to say this guy can be SSJ2 tier.

King Cold was only as strong as suppressed Frieza when he arrived on Earth. So even if he could transform he wouldn't be ss2 tier. And the daizenshuu says he is slightly inferior to Frieza.

[DanielSSJ]

Some fights here:

- Bio Warriors (Ebifurya, Misokatsun, Kishime) vs. Muten Roshi (Resurrection F).
- Chaozu (Boo arc) vs. Tarble.
- Freeza (true form, Resurrection F) vs. Hirudegarn.
- SSJ3 Son Goku (Battle of Gods) vs. Kid Boo.
- Fat Boo (vs. Majin Vegeta) vs. SSJ2 Vegeta (Battle of Gods).
- Tenshinhan (Saiyan arc) vs. 6 Saibamen.

- I have Muten Roshi's buff form at around the same level as Nappa, who has a battle power of 4,000. According to the movie pamphlets, two of the Bio-Warriors have battle powers in the 7K range, and the third one is already at around 4,000. Muten Roshi would be hard-pressed to beat one of them, let alone all three at once.
- Chiaotzu is probably at least as strong as Vegeta was during his first appearance (and that's being extremely conservative). Tarble, on the other hand, was kicked off Planet Vegeta for his pacifistic ways, and is probably not very strong by Saiyan Royal Family standards. Chiaotzu should have no troubles beating Vegeta's little brother.
- Depends on whether or not Freeza can get around Hirudegarn's smoke immunity thing. If so, then he wins. If not, he loses.
- Goku is somewhat stronger from last time and remembers his previous almost-defeat at the hands of Pure Boo. This Goku shouldn't have too much trouble if he works to end it quickly.
- Vegeta hasn't gotten that much powerful since the Boo arc. He would've needed to have doubled his power to keep up, and I don't think he did.
- Tenshinhan is about as strong and skilled as Kuririn who killed four in one shot. Odds are Tenshinhan could defeat six if required to. If he can't on his own, a well-aimed Kikoho should do the trick.

[Lunatic Fringe]

• Piccolo(Android Arc/pre-Kami fusion) vs. King Cold & Mecha Freeza

• Bear Thief vs. Mr. Satan

• Cymbal & Tambourine vs. Yajirobe(Piccolo Daimao Arc) & Muten Roshi(Piccolo Daimao Arc)

• Tullece vs. Monster Zarbon & Dodoria

[DanielSSJ]

• Piccolo(Android Arc/pre-Kami fusion) vs. King Cold & Mecha Freeza

• Bear Thief vs. Mr. Satan

• Cymbal & Tambourine vs. Yajirobe(Piccolo Daimao Arc) & Muten Roshi(Piccolo Daimao Arc)

• Tullece vs. Monster Zarbon & Dodoria

- I personally have this Piccolo at around the same level as Goku and Trunks three years prior, so Piccolo should be more than strong enough to take down Freeza and King Cold at the same time.
- Despite his skills, I don't think Mr. Satan is going to win against a 10-foot tall sentient bear with a sword.
- Well, Yajirobe has already killed Cymbal in the actual series, so I suppose it comes down to whether or not Muten Roshi is stronger than Tambourine. Tambourine beat up a fatigued Goku and killed a likely fatigued Kuririn, but was brutalized by to Goku at full power. Odds are Muten Roshi is stronger. The humans beat the demons.
- Depends on whether or not Tullece has eaten a fruit or not. If it's before, he was being pushed back by a 30,000 something Goku. Even if he was a little stronger, Monster Zarbon also has Dodoria backup, so Freeza's goons probably win. If it's after eating a fruit, he's probably on par with first form Freeza and crushes the duo effortlessly.

[Gog]

• Piccolo(Android Arc/pre-Kami fusion) vs. King Cold & Mecha Freeza

• Bear Thief vs. Mr. Satan

• Cymbal & Tambourine vs. Yajirobe(Piccolo Daimao Arc) & Muten Roshi(Piccolo Daimao Arc)

• Tullece vs. Monster Zarbon & Dodoria

1. Piccolo gets shreaded

2. Mr satan one shots, and now has a new rug.

3. Tullece easily kills both of them

4. They both get eaten by Yajirobe

[Ki Breaker]

Barry possessed vs Tien
Barry possessed vs Yamcha

Basically the strongest opponent Barry could beat, keeping in mind he punched base gohan to stratosphere

[Gog]

Barry possessed vs Tien
Barry possessed vs Yamcha

Basically the strongest opponent Barry could beat, keeping in mind he punched base gohan to stratosphere

Barry gets shredded. Why would you do this to barry?

[TheUltimateNinja]

Let's say, hypothetically, King Cold really WAS in his first form when he arrived on Earth, and his first form is a lot larger than Freeza's because he's older and more matured.

So his first form is somewhere on the same tier as his son's final form. Assuming all of his other forms have power increases equivalent to the boosts Freeza got, how much stronger would a final form, 100% King Cold be?

In my interpretation, Freeza's transformations never jumped him more than a single tier. He went from fighting on par with Vegeta to curbstomping Vegeta, then from fighting on par with Piccolo to curbstomping Piccolo. He didn't go from being stomped to stomping. Therefore, his hypothetical second form would only be on par with Trunks, if not still weaker. However, his third form will be enough to curbstomp Trunks. Then the leap into his true form should be enough to boost him to 17 and 18's levels, maybe even 16.

From there, he still has to powerup to 100%, just as Freeza did.

I'd go so far as to say this guy can be SSJ2 tier.

2nd form Cold would end up stronger than Trunks since Frieza doubled his power when he transformed and I don't think Trunks had a 2x advantage over Cold, I personally have him 80% higher.

Anyway, here's some numbers:
First Form Cold: 100,000,000
Fairly close to Final Form Frieza but still a sizeable gap.

Second Form Cold: 200,000,000.
Higher than Trunks who I have at 180,000,000 by a decent margin.

Third Form Cold: 300,000,000-400,000,000.
We don't know how much Frieza's power increased from his 2nd to his 3rd form, so Cold could either end up about as strong as Androids Arc Trunks or nearly as powerful as Imperfect Cell (Gingertown).

Final Form Cold (Initial): 600,000,000
Frieza was around the same level as Base Goku when he first transformed, and Base Goku was at 3 million so that's 3x his second form. I used the same boost for Cold.

He ends up stronger than 17 & Kamiccolo by a lot but still pales in comparison to 16 & Imperfect Cell (Post)

Final Form Cold: 20,000,000,000
Frieza had a ~100x boost from his 2nd form to his final form (1 million+ to 100 million+), so I gave Cold a similar boost.

By my numbers this would place him well above SSJ2 tier, he'd be even stronger than Fat Buu.

[kinisking]

Barry possessed vs Tien
Barry possessed vs Yamcha

Basically the strongest opponent Barry could beat, keeping in mind he punched base gohan to stratosphere

The humans couldn't touch him if base Gohan was having trouble. Base Gohan fights pretty evenly with Piccolo, although piccolo has the advantage I think. I think Barry might be able to beat Piccolo considering base Gohan was struggling.

[Polyphase Avatron]

Golden Freeza possessed by Watagash (remember, the more evil a person is the greater the power boost they get) vs. Beerus, Merged Zamasu, and SSJB Vegito (no time limit)

[TheUltimateNinja]

Golden Freeza possessed by Watagash (remember, the more evil a person is the greater the power boost they get) vs. Beerus, Merged Zamasu, and SSJB Vegito (no time limit)

He still gets wrecked, the gap is too large.

However, assuming the curse is a multiplier, he becomes billions of times stronger and can wreck every Angel and Hakaishin at the same time.

[Ki Breaker]

Golden Freeza possessed by Watagash (remember, the more evil a person is the greater the power boost they get) vs. Beerus, Merged Zamasu, and SSJB Vegito (no time limit)

Seeing as how watagash gave such a Titanic boost to Barry who I assume isn't as evil as freeza, combined with freeza's golden form being greater than ssb, the watagash powerup puts him at SSB vegetto level..
Taking all of them at the same time he gets wreaked hard