The All-Purpose "What-If " Thread

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Re: The All-Purpose "What-If " Thread

Post by Merged Zamasu » Wed Jan 18, 2017 1:58 pm

1) It wouldn't look any different, Goku Black is basically just a skinnier Goku with a different outfit.
However, Goku doesn't care about looking elegant, whereas Zamasu does. Goku would probably use that horrible Gi of his, and it would look ridiculous and silly on Zamasu.
2) Black appears to possess the power of both Goku and Zamasu so Goku would likely retain his own power.
You need Sayan cells to grow stronger after each fight. Zamasu's body doesn't have Sayan cells, thus Zamasu Black wouldn't grow stronger after each fight.
3) The Saiyan desire for battle is biological whereas Zamasu reasoned out his hatred for mortals on his own.
Black was still corrupted by some of Goku's most iconic traits, such as his great desire to be the strongest (which not all Sayans have). Goku would probably start to believe that he is superior to mortals, being a Supreme Kai and one of the greatest that has ever lived.
4) Goku could kill Zamasu before he has the chance to realize what's going on and adjust to his new body.
Goku would lose. As i did say before, Goku's body is far stronger than Zamasu's body.

Besides, we did see what would happen if Goku were to possess Zamasu's body. He wouldn't stand a chance against Black Goku. The answer to your "What If" scenario can be found in Episode 61.

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Re: The All-Purpose "What-If " Thread

Post by TheUltimateNinja » Wed Jan 18, 2017 3:23 pm

Merged Zamasu wrote: Besides, we did see what would happen if Goku were to possess Zamasu's body. He wouldn't stand a chance against Black Goku. The answer to your "What If" scenario can be found in Episode 61.
Goku was caught off guard. If he were the one to initiate the switch he could immediately go and stab Zamasu.

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Re: The All-Purpose "What-If " Thread

Post by Merged Zamasu » Wed Jan 18, 2017 3:48 pm

TheUltimateNinja wrote:
Merged Zamasu wrote: Besides, we did see what would happen if Goku were to possess Zamasu's body. He wouldn't stand a chance against Black Goku. The answer to your "What If" scenario can be found in Episode 61.
Goku was caught off guard. If he were the one to initiate the switch he could immediately go and stab Zamasu.
Again, as we have seen in Episode 53 as well, Zamasu is weaker than Goku, there's no way around that. The very reason Zamasu wished for Goku's body is because he did know that he stood no chance against Goku, and thus he required a greater power to execute his Zero-mortals Plan. Goku would only become weaker in Zamasu's body.

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Re: The All-Purpose "What-If " Thread

Post by Doctor. » Wed Jan 18, 2017 3:50 pm

Merged Zamasu wrote:
TheUltimateNinja wrote:
Merged Zamasu wrote: Besides, we did see what would happen if Goku were to possess Zamasu's body. He wouldn't stand a chance against Black Goku. The answer to your "What If" scenario can be found in Episode 61.
Goku was caught off guard. If he were the one to initiate the switch he could immediately go and stab Zamasu.
Again, as we have seen in Episode 53 as well, Zamasu is weaker than Goku, there's no way around that. The very reason Zamasu wished for Goku's body is because he did know that he stood no chance against Goku, and thus he required a greater power to execute his Zero-mortals Plan. Goku would only become weaker in Zamasu's body.
Zamasu is stronger than base Goku, he's SS2 level, in fact. It was base Black that killed Zamasu!Goku. The only explanation is that Goku was off-guard.

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Re: The All-Purpose "What-If " Thread

Post by TheUltimateNinja » Wed Jan 18, 2017 3:51 pm

Merged Zamasu wrote:
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Merged Zamasu wrote: Besides, we did see what would happen if Goku were to possess Zamasu's body. He wouldn't stand a chance against Black Goku. The answer to your "What If" scenario can be found in Episode 61.
Goku was caught off guard. If he were the one to initiate the switch he could immediately go and stab Zamasu.
Again, as we have seen in Episode 53 as well, Zamasu is weaker than Goku, there's no way around that. The very reason Zamasu wished for Goku's body is because he did know that he stood no chance against Goku, and thus he required a greater power to execute his Zero-mortals Plan. Goku would only become weaker in Zamasu's body.
Base Goku is no match for Zamasu, Zamasu likely carried his own power over to Goku's body and that's what makes Black so strong. Goku could do the same thing as Zamasu Black.

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Re: The All-Purpose "What-If " Thread

Post by Merged Zamasu » Wed Jan 18, 2017 4:12 pm

If you think Zamasu can beat Goku, you might consider a good idea re-watching the Future Trunks arc, because you clearly weren't paying any attention at all. In fact, the very reason Black Goku exists is because Zamasu was jealous of Goku being stronger than him. Merged Zamasu and Black can rofl-stomp Goku, but Present Zamasu (Which is the version of Zamasu we are talking about) would be crushed by Goku. Goku would only hurt himself by wishing for a weaker body than his own. On top of that, he would play right into Zamasu's hand, by giving him what he desires the most: a body stronger than his current one.

Unlike Merged Zamasu and Black, Zamasu's normal body is not enough to defeat Goku. This is made even more obvious by Future Zamasu struggling with Goku despite immortality and the fact he had become Supreme Kai.

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Re: The All-Purpose "What-If " Thread

Post by Doctor. » Wed Jan 18, 2017 4:34 pm

Merged Zamasu wrote:If you think Zamasu can beat Goku, you might consider a good idea re-watching the Future Trunks arc, because you clearly weren't paying any attention at all. In fact, the very reason Black Goku exists is because Zamasu was jealous of Goku being stronger than him. Merged Zamasu and Black can rofl-stomp Goku, but Present Zamasu (Which is the version of Zamasu we are talking about) would be crushed by Goku. Goku would only hurt himself by wishing for a weaker body than his own. On top of that, he would play right into Zamasu's hand, by giving him what he desires the most: a body stronger than his current one.

Unlike Merged Zamasu and Black, Zamasu's normal body is not enough to defeat Goku. This is made even more obvious by Future Zamasu struggling with Goku despite immortality and the fact he had become Supreme Kai.
Perhaps you should rewatch the Future Trunks arc again because Zamasu was STRONGER than base Goku, which is the form Black used to kill Zamasu!Goku in the first place. Zamasu went toe-to-toe with Super Saiyan 2 Goku.

If Goku changed bodies with Zamasu instead, he'd easily be able to kill Goku!Zamasu, because he'd be in his base form... which Zamasu's body is stronger than.

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Re: The All-Purpose "What-If " Thread

Post by Merged Zamasu » Wed Jan 18, 2017 4:45 pm

Doctor. wrote:
Merged Zamasu wrote:If you think Zamasu can beat Goku, you might consider a good idea re-watching the Future Trunks arc, because you clearly weren't paying any attention at all. In fact, the very reason Black Goku exists is because Zamasu was jealous of Goku being stronger than him. Merged Zamasu and Black can rofl-stomp Goku, but Present Zamasu (Which is the version of Zamasu we are talking about) would be crushed by Goku. Goku would only hurt himself by wishing for a weaker body than his own. On top of that, he would play right into Zamasu's hand, by giving him what he desires the most: a body stronger than his current one.

Unlike Merged Zamasu and Black, Zamasu's normal body is not enough to defeat Goku. This is made even more obvious by Future Zamasu struggling with Goku despite immortality and the fact he had become Supreme Kai.
Perhaps you should rewatch the Future Trunks arc again because Zamasu was STRONGER than base Goku, which is the form Black used to kill Zamasu!Goku in the first place. Zamasu went toe-to-toe with Super Saiyan 2 Goku.

If Goku changed bodies with Zamasu instead, he'd easily be able to kill Goku!Zamasu, because he'd be in his base form... which Zamasu's body is stronger than.
You do know Black can power-up? You don't expect him to stay in his Base form. Black might be arrogant, but he is not stupid. Black can go SSJ2 and Super Sayan Rosè, both of which would completely overwhelm Black Zamasu, as Zamasu was overpowered by SSJ2 Goku, who was faster and stronger.

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Re: The All-Purpose "What-If " Thread

Post by Doctor. » Wed Jan 18, 2017 4:47 pm

Merged Zamasu wrote:You do know Black can power-up? You don't expect him to stay in his Base form. Black might be arrogant, but he is not stupid. Black can go SSJ2 and Super Sayan Rosè, both of which would completely overwhelm Black Zamasu, as Zamasu was overpowered by SSJ2 Goku, who was faster and stronger.
This is why people were saying Goku would kill him if he caught Zamasu off-guard like Zamasu did to him.

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Re: The All-Purpose "What-If " Thread

Post by TheUltimateNinja » Wed Jan 18, 2017 4:54 pm

Doctor. wrote:
Merged Zamasu wrote:You do know Black can power-up? You don't expect him to stay in his Base form. Black might be arrogant, but he is not stupid. Black can go SSJ2 and Super Sayan Rosè, both of which would completely overwhelm Black Zamasu, as Zamasu was overpowered by SSJ2 Goku, who was faster and stronger.
This is why people were saying Goku would kill him if he caught Zamasu off-guard like Zamasu did to him.
Also, it's not like Zamasu would learn to transform right off the bat. He'd need some practice in his new body before he could do that sort of thing.

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Re: The All-Purpose "What-If " Thread

Post by Merged Zamasu » Wed Jan 18, 2017 4:57 pm

TheUltimateNinja wrote:
Doctor. wrote:
Merged Zamasu wrote:You do know Black can power-up? You don't expect him to stay in his Base form. Black might be arrogant, but he is not stupid. Black can go SSJ2 and Super Sayan Rosè, both of which would completely overwhelm Black Zamasu, as Zamasu was overpowered by SSJ2 Goku, who was faster and stronger.
This is why people were saying Goku would kill him if he caught Zamasu off-guard like Zamasu did to him.
Also, it's not like Zamasu would learn to transform right off the bat. He'd need some practice in his new body before he could do that sort of thing.
And...somehow the same concept doesn't apply to Black Zamasu. Goku would need to learn how to fight properly and be effective in Zamasu's body, how his techniques work and what his limits and weaknesses are. Also, Goku wouldn't be able to catch Zamasu off guard. Zamasu was already planning to use the Super Dragon Balls to take control of Goku's body, when he finds out he has magically turned into Son Goku, so he'll figure out what has happened and will prepare himself for Goku/Black Zamasu's arrival.

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Post by TheUltimateNinja » Wed Jan 18, 2017 5:06 pm

Merged Zamasu wrote:
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Doctor. wrote: This is why people were saying Goku would kill him if he caught Zamasu off-guard like Zamasu did to him.
Also, it's not like Zamasu would learn to transform right off the bat. He'd need some practice in his new body before he could do that sort of thing.
And...somehow the same concept doesn't apply to Black Zamasu. Goku would need to learn how to fight properly and be effective in Zamasu's body, how his techniques work and what his limits and weaknesses are. Also, Goku wouldn't be able to catch Zamasu off guard. Zamasu was already planning to use the Super Dragon Balls to take control of Goku's body, when he finds out he has magically turned into Son Goku, so he'll figure out what has happened and will prepare himself for Goku/Black Zamasu's arrival.
The Kamehameha and Kienzan work the same in any body. Goku could switch bodies, then immediately IT behind Zamasu and Kienzan him.

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Post by Gog » Wed Jan 18, 2017 5:13 pm

What... If Merged Zamasu fell in love with Goku? Would he stop his zero mortals plan? Would he continue?

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Re: The All-Purpose "What-If " Thread

Post by Merged Zamasu » Wed Jan 18, 2017 5:16 pm

TheUltimateNinja wrote:
Merged Zamasu wrote:
TheUltimateNinja wrote: Also, it's not like Zamasu would learn to transform right off the bat. He'd need some practice in his new body before he could do that sort of thing.
And...somehow the same concept doesn't apply to Black Zamasu. Goku would need to learn how to fight properly and be effective in Zamasu's body, how his techniques work and what his limits and weaknesses are. Also, Goku wouldn't be able to catch Zamasu off guard. Zamasu was already planning to use the Super Dragon Balls to take control of Goku's body, when he finds out he has magically turned into Son Goku, so he'll figure out what has happened and will prepare himself for Goku/Black Zamasu's arrival.
The Kamehameha and Kienzan work the same in any body. Goku could switch bodies, then immediately IT behind Zamasu and Kienzan him.
That would require for Black to be retarded, which he is not. Furthermore, Zamasu clearly has a different fighting style than Goku, Goku would have to adapt before fighting Black Goku. He could take Black by surprise, but Black will have figured out what had happened, since he is not stupid, like Goku. Besides, didn't Goku actually try that in the show? I think it was Ep.56, after Black had stabbed Vegeta. He easily deflected all Kienzan Goku fired at him.
Gog wrote:What... If Merged Zamasu fell in love with Goku? Would he stop his zero mortals plan? Would he continue?
Merged Zamasu loves himself. 50% of Merged Zamasu is Son Goku, therefore Merged Zamasu already indirectly loves Son Goku.
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Re: The All-Purpose "What-If " Thread

Post by Gog » Wed Jan 18, 2017 5:17 pm

Gog wrote:What... If Merged Zamasu fell in love with Goku? Would he stop his zero mortals plan? Would he continue?
Merged Zamasu loves himself. 50% of Merged Zamasu is Son Goku, therefore Merged Zamasu already indirectly loves Son Goku.[/quote]

Oh no, not Black Goku. Goku, Goku what would happen if Merged Zamasu loved Goku. :mrgreen:

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Re: The All-Purpose "What-If " Thread

Post by Merged Zamasu » Wed Jan 18, 2017 5:26 pm

Gog wrote:
Gog wrote:What... If Merged Zamasu fell in love with Goku? Would he stop his zero mortals plan? Would he continue?
Merged Zamasu loves himself. 50% of Merged Zamasu is Son Goku, therefore Merged Zamasu already indirectly loves Son Goku.
Oh no, not Black Goku. Goku, Goku what would happen if Merged Zamasu loved Goku. :mrgreen:[/quote]

Eh, he would probably invite Goku to drink some tea, while pondering about mortals' existence and explaining to Goku why he hates mortals and why he believes the Universe is flawed. Goku would obviously fall asleep, Zamasu's theory is too much for Goku's primitive mind to comprehend.

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Re: The All-Purpose "What-If " Thread

Post by Gog » Wed Jan 18, 2017 5:28 pm

Merged Zamasu wrote:
Gog wrote:
Gog wrote:What... If Merged Zamasu fell in love with Goku? Would he stop his zero mortals plan? Would he continue?
Merged Zamasu loves himself. 50% of Merged Zamasu is Son Goku, therefore Merged Zamasu already indirectly loves Son Goku.
Oh no, not Black Goku. Goku, Goku what would happen if Merged Zamasu loved Goku. :mrgreen:
Eh, he would probably invite Goku to drink some tea, while pondering about mortals' existence and explaining to Goku why he hates mortals and why he believes the Universe is flawed. Goku would obviously fall asleep, Zamasu's theory is too much for Goku's primitive mind to comprehend.[/quote]

No, not love Goku. Love, Love Goku. The chances of that happening are non existent but, you know, just think about it as a scant svil thought that crossed your mind Zamasu.

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Re: The All-Purpose "What-If " Thread

Post by Rumanid » Wed Jan 18, 2017 9:21 pm

What would happen if during the battle in the future timeline:

1) Trunks accidentally fuses with Zamasu (SSJA Trunks vs. Black and Zamasu)

2) Goku Black accidentally fuses with Vegeta (Father-Son Galick Gun)

3) Goku fuses with Vegeta (before Zamasu's fusion)

I know that Potara earrings are different sets. But what if any of the fusions above happened during the battle?

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Re: The All-Purpose "What-If " Thread

Post by Polyphase Avatron » Thu Jan 19, 2017 10:40 am

What if someone really strong joined the Galactic Patrol? Various scenarios:

- As strong as SSJ1 Goku on Namek

- As strong as Paikuhan

- As strong as Chou Cohan

- As strong as Whis
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Re: The All-Purpose "What-If " Thread

Post by Merged Zamasu » Thu Jan 19, 2017 1:20 pm

What if Zamasu had accidentally merged with Gowasu on Planet Babari?

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