MisteryOne wrote:LightBing wrote:I can understand preferring Goku Black's anime version than the manga one, I also prefer it except the part where they make him beyond incompetent. But I can't see how just that ruins the whole arc in the manga for some people.
Likewise the same applies in regards to the anime, I don't let the power-scaling and writing problems undermine the good moments it had.
People can't see the forest for the trees.
Well, yeah, excluding the fact that both Zamasus are overwhelmed by smoke granades and they can't kill a group of...like 20 people and two kids.
I am pretty sure the animes had more memorable moments than the manga. Goku Black's first appereance, the «Hakai», the introduction of Rosé, Black telling Goku how he killed him and his family...But the ending was too much for me. And is not just a matter of power scaling, is just common sense. If we have seen Goku Black oneshoting Goku, we can't see Goku overwhelming Merged Zamasu two episodes later. Problems with powerscaling are not a big deal until they hurt the narrative so much as having Black, a SS3-tier, not being able to kill Mai with a Ki blast. The manga has avoided all of that illogical problems showing thag is not something difficult, but at the same time is a bit «meh» regarding memorable moments nd, until this FT arc, it was rushed like hell.Still, the manga vastly outclasses the anime only because of that IMHO. You don't need to make headcanons to explain why Mai survived.
That being said, I am not one of that people who just think one of the versions completely outclash the other. Both of them have extremely big flaws and if you can't see them you have to take your fanboy glasses off. I have seen a hell lot of people who try to somehow explain than the anime surpasses the manga in everything incluying logic (and that's obviously not the case) and viceversea. I have even seen cases where anime fanboys critique the manga without actually reading it, and again, the other way around. It looks like people have thw need to choose one of the two versions above everything like if this was a football or something. I completely agree with you about people not seeing that despite their flaws both versions of Super are enjoyable products, and that the best version would indeed be a combination of the best of both worlds.
(Shit, that was a lot of text. The amount of gramatical mistakes I have made may be over 9000)
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His development is garbage in the manga. He just gets mad at Goku after watching a few clips of his battle in the Universe 6/Universe 7 arc. There's no confrontation with Goku that help sells the idea that Zamasu hates and distrusts morals or why he resents Goku so much specifically. His motivations are half arsed and superficial as shit. There's no real depth to it.
The treatment of Goku Black is just the worst. First off, he grasps the idiot ball hard when while he was watching over Future Trunks, Supreme Kai, and Kibito battling Babidi and Dabra and he doesn't think to kill Future Trunks after he had finished off Dabra? Seriously, why the hell didn't Goku Black atomise Future Trunks there and then? It would have saved him so much trouble. Then it just got worse with the latest chapter. If Goku Black knows that he can transform into Super Saiyan Rose, then why doesn't he have Zamasu beat him up and Zenkai his way into the form? This makes Black seem incredibly stupid, especially considering that Zamasu can heal him. So he could have done this a long time ago with Zamasu and it would much more safer and efficient. But he didn't. He decided to be a reckless idiot and hope that Vegeta doesn't kill him very quickly or that Zamasu miraculously arrived to save his ass before it was too late. Goku Black fucking sucks in manga.
Seriously, go read the manga again. I am definetly not going to explain again why it makes a hell lot of sense for Zamasu to be mad at Goku, I already did it once in the announcment thread. If you think Zamasu's development is just reduced to seeing random Godtube clips, you have completely ignored
-the Barbari scene which shows that in fact they are not irrationate beings after 1000 years
-the talk that Zamasu had with Gowasu regarding why did he train so hard to become this powerful if he can't do what Hakaishins are only allowed too, which still is done by Goku like if it was normal.
-the whole Majin Boo stuff, which again, leads to the whole «why there are mortals at a level close to the one of Hakaishins, and why are they dealing with stuff that Gods are supposed to?
-as I said, Zamasu is a better stand alone character in the manga. His hatred for Goku is explained in the anime, but at the very same time his hatred for any type of ningen is just pure bullshit which the manga explained. I remind you again, as I already said, that Present Zamasu is NOT Goku Black in the manga. There isn't any nonsensical, imposible paradox here. We still have to see Black's motivations anyway
-neither the anime or tha manga are deep explanations anyway. The manga however showed that Zamasu's hate for mortals is justifiqued, unlike in the anime where he literally just got mad because of Goku surpassing him. Why did all the other ningens had to pay because of Goku's actions? Anime Zamasu was just mad at Goku. Simple as that. But as I said I'm not going to elaborate on evrything again.He xhoosing Goku over Hit made perfect sense.
How on hell would it make sense for Black to archieve Rose by abusing Zenkais? It's a god form, for Zeno's sake. That would be completely bullshit and beyond stupid (just like the anime version, battling a SS2 Goku allows you to become Blue tier in base, and on top of that have a God form. Sure). To become Rosé Black needs to adapt to his body and fight a Super Saiyan Blue. Simple as that. You are completely making up the ability yo archieve Rosé other way.
Have you even read the manga? When he arrived on Earth Black was WAY weaker than Trunks and he even needed to use SS against him. There is nothing suggesting that Black was strong enough to dealt with Trunks back then. Not to mention thet we haVe SEE just TWO chapters ago that Black was letting Trunks alive to become stronger! Seriuosly, why are you ignoring stuff explained in the manga itself? Have you even read it?
It is also interesting that you don't say anything against Black and Zamasu not aniquilating the mankind after defeating Trunks when Goku and Vegeta were away (they were literally drinking tea and talking about a zero ningens plan they could have already done) or the fact that they were surpassed by smoke granades, or that Black was idiot enough to not kill Mai with a ki blast. eriously, how much did he hold against her and why?) yet you are trying to see nonsensical aspects of Goku Black in the manga. Let's not talk about Future Zamasu, who had ZERO development and teamed up with Black without the latter ever explained anything as show in the flashback. He never questionated Black when he killed Gowasu and offered a Pothala. Then again, he didn't kill Present Bulma when he had the chance.
Also, please explain to me how Black is an idiot because of facing Vegeta Blue, but anime Black is not when he travelled to the past, faced Goku ,AND ASKED HIM TO GO FULL POWER. Had Goku gone Blue on that moment, Black would have been destroyed. He was beyond stupid in episode 50.
Man, I really love people double standars. That's why I' m usually around here.
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